Monarchist wrote: flamming_python wrote:You people are completely insane
The majority of the economical elite of Russia (state company CEOs, oligarchs, governers/republic heads, top economic officials, etc...) are ethnic Russians.
Yeah sure there are plenty of minorities too; Alekperov, Vekselberg, Abramovich, Ilyumzhinov, Gref, Naibullina, Usmanov, Friedman, Agalarov, Rotenberg, Kerimov, Shaimiev, Pogosyan, Minnikhanov, Aven, Milner, Ismailov, Khan, Yakobshvilli, Dürr, Akhmedov, Makhmudov, Magomedov, Nisanov, Iliev, Karapetyan, Baysarov, Chagaev, etc... (not counting Ukrainians or Belarussians here, mind)
But they are more than outnumbered by Russians - Kiriyenko, Yakunin, Luzhkov/Baturina, Sechin, Chubais, Kudrin, Volozh, Grishin, Sobyanin, Savelyev, Potanin, Doronin, Prokhorov, Bogdanov, Deripaska, Filatov, Fedun, Matvienko, Chemezov, Timchenko, Mikhelson, Frolov, Abramov, Mikheev, Melnichenko, Narishkin, Lisin, Mordashov, Khristenko, Dmitriev, Fyodorov, Kogogin, Muravyov, Galitsky, Guryev, Isaikin, Komarov, Trotsenko, Obnosov, Plastinin, Rakhmanov, Rybolovlev, etc...
Albeit a great many of these ethnic Russians are actually from ex-Soviet republics.
Russia is a very multi-ethnic country; and to boot - many of its current oligarchs and elite were actually from not from Russia, but other Soviet republics who came to Russia in the 90s to make their fortunes and power as their own countries were dirt-poor and had no prospects; thus among the elite you'll find even more diversity than you'd expect otherwise.
That goes for the Jews too, not all of them are actually from Russia either but all of them are counted as Jews, therefore making it appear that there are more Russian Jews in the Russian elite than there actually are.
Friedman, Khan & Vekselberg are all from the Ukraine, Yakobshvilli is from Georgia, Ismailov & Nisanov are from Azerbaijan and so on.
Yes, I'm insane and most likely I will be labeled a racist, nazi or whatever suits people.
50% of russian oligarchs are jewish yet the make up 0,3 % of the population in Russia today. http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-Features/At-Putins-side-an-army-of-Jewish-billionaires
"have made much of the fact that of the seven oligarchs who controlled 50% of Russia's economy during the 1990s, six were Jewish: Berezovsky, Vladimir Guzinsky, Alexander Smolensky, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Mikhail Friedman and Valery Malkin."
"Like most Russian oligarchs, Vekselberg is of Jewish origin - he has a Jewish father, though he doesn't regard himself as Jewish."http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jul/02/russia.lukeharding1
Chubais is not russian and a russophobe, I'm not going to bother posting his comments on Dostoevsky and russians in general.
Russia is a country where russians make up over 80% of the population, they are the absolute majority, the second highest ethnicity are tatars that make up 3,7% of the population! So about Russia being multi ethnic yes of course because it supresses russians in their own homeland while ethnic russians in bordering countries are being treated as third class citizens. But also inside Russia.
Just have a look at how "well" represented russians are being in the Tatarstan government.
You're not insane, you're a fool.
Being multi-cultural, and diverse - isn't what makes Russia weak, it's what makes Russia strong - as opposed to being some small Western European nation that's lost touch with its history and is under the thumb of the NATO alliance and under the ear of the NSA, with more and more territories splitting off from it every few decades, and running scared over even a small population of Muslim immigrants on its territory?
Or even better, as opposed to being some small Eastern European nation that's even more homogenous, and even more bitter and venemous towards Russians as well as its own national minorities, with constant language/citizenship/whatever BS, even fighting wars against its own people over which language and ethnicity should be the boss of their own common, small little world - and of all course all the while being even
more dependent and under the thumb of foreign powers, than anyone else.
Of course the nation that controls all these smaller, 'purer' nations; the US - is the one that does manage to keep itself together, and that does manage to unite its diverse people from multitudes of backgrounds, under a common ideology and flag, and doesn't let anyone else play divide & rule with it at all.
Look how much your own country has suffered, and all your ex-Yugoslav neighbours - because you couldn't learn to live together. Yugoslavia as a united country actually had a reasonable economy, a completely independent foreign policy that kept it neutral of both NATO and the Warsaw Pact while sucking up to neither one, and an army strong enough to defend its territory.
You wish Russia the same fate, so that it can scatter into pieces and these pieces can then be manipulated like on a chess-board against each other; like the Ukraine has been manipulated against Russia now, 24 years after breaking free from the same common country?
I watched a vid recently, where a Novorussian volunteer fighter (or maybe mercenary) - a Muslim from Dushanbe, said that Poroshenko had succeeded in uniting the entire ex-USSR against him.
Actually you should pay attention to just who's volunteering for the pro-Russian side in this conflict. Aside from Russians and Ukrainians - I've seen Belarussians, East Germans, Russian Germans, Spaniards, Italians, Ossetians, Chechens, Buryats, Yakuts, Brazillians, Americans, Turkmen, Armenians, Tajiks, Afghans, Poles, Columbians, Brits, Abkhazians, Serbs, Frenchmen... literally a good chuck of the entire spectrum of ex-Soviet states, internal Russian republics and Soviet-era socialist allies, plus some international people who are attracted to Russia's old ideology of anti-fascism.
And here you are, saying that Russians are being oppressed and that diversity is the disease of the nation-state.
I'm sure there's some Jews on the DNR/LNR side too. At the very least, Khodakovsky was called one - when he bungled up the Donetsk airport operation; leave it to the anti-Semites to associate Jews with everything negative and forget they exist when they do anything positive.
50% of russian oligarchs are jewish yet the make up 0,3 % of the population in Russia today. http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-Features/At-Putins-side-an-army-of-Jewish-billionaires
Learn to read your own material; in your linked article it explicitly mentions the 1990s. Yet today it's 2015, and the situation is not the same - there are many oligarchs and of very diverse backgrounds, but Jews are only one part of them out of many.
"have made much of the fact that of the seven oligarchs who controlled 50% of Russia's economy during the 1990s, six were Jewish: Berezovsky, Vladimir Guzinsky, Alexander Smolensky, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Mikhail Friedman and Valery Malkin."
In the Ukraine you have the same situation in regards to oligarch control of the national economy; yet few of them are Jews there (Kolomoisky, maybe a couple others). Yet do they behave any differently and are they any less parasites on the development and progress of their country and its people; because they're not Jewish?
"Like most Russian oligarchs, Vekselberg is of Jewish origin - he has a Jewish father, though he doesn't regard himself as Jewish."
If he's Jewish by his paternal line only than he's not Jewish (although I honestly thought that he was properly Jewish).
This is the modern world though, so he could well be accepted as a Jew were he to regard himself as one anyway and follow the religion - yet he doesn't so that case is closed.
In the same way I'm also Jewish by my paternal lineage; matter of fact my father's family is an ancient and once prestigeous one that was in charge of the largest Synagogue in Baghdad, a long time ago - in case anyone cares.
Yet I'm not Jewish either as my mother is not Jewish - and in fact like my mother I'm Orthodox Christian by faith and went to church a lot when I was young.
Not that it really matters in any case; I suppose to you I'd be a traitor and a Jew but clearly you have a lot to learn about Russia and just what it is that gives this country its resilience and unity.
Chubais is not russian and a russophobe, I'm not going to bother posting his comments on Dostoevsky and russians in general.
Is his mother Jewish?
If not, then he's not Jewish. I honestly don't know either way. Don't care either.
As for being a Russophobe - it's true many Russian Jews are (of those who emigrated to Israel and America). But then so do emigre Russians tend to be - it's almost a national trait. That Russian Jews are like that could just as well be evidence that they're as Russian as ethnic Russians are.
Russia is a country where russians make up over 80% of the population, they are the absolute majority, the second highest ethnicity are tatars that make up 3,7% of the population! So about Russia being multi ethnic yes of course because it supresses russians in their own homeland while ethnic russians in bordering countries are being treated as third class citizens. But also inside Russia.
It's not the full story; we have plenty of immigrants from the ex-USSR and China, Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc... here too who aren't Russian citizens and aren't counted in the statistics yet have been living and working here for a long time.
Ethnic Russians make up close to 80% of citizens officially; but some people do not state their nationality explicitly in censuses and just register as Russians; especially if it pertains to largely assimilated groups such as Chuvash, Karelians, Mari, Assyrians, Jews for that matter, etc...
And of course under ethnic Russians, you have a kaledescope of different mixes and origins; Jewish roots, Ukrainian roots, German roots, Polish roots, Caucasus roots, etc... I myself am a prime example of just what an ethnic Russian is these days.
Just have a look at how "well" represented russians are being in the Tatarstan government.
They do have their own ethnic mafias in various republics; due to the 90s when everyone was grabbing what they can, various families and clans found themselves into power.
But in Tatarstan you have no repressions of Russians whatsoever, so why should it be any concern of mine? The government there at the very least is doing a good job developing the region.
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