Venezuela crisis

Surprise, surprise, but not really surprised.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/2184773/exclusive-self-declared-leader-venezuela-juan-guaido-extends?edition=international

Venezuela’s self-declared interim president Juan Guaido says he wants a “productive and mutually beneficial” relationship with China and is ready to engage Chinese officials in dialogues “as soon as possible”.

“China is a crucial global player, and we want to establish a productive and mutually beneficial relationship,” he said in an email interview.

“China’s support will be very important in boosting our country’s economy and future development,” added Guaido, 35, the leader of the opposition-controlled National Assembly.

The pretender is a scum but he is not stupid. He can clearly see between America and China, who has more money.

Bullshit, he is a socket puppet and is reading the script directly as per Washington's orders, to make China and Russia modify their calculations so they don't intervene decisively against the coup. But Neocons being such arrogant retards, they have already said left and right that they want to expel them from Latin America. It would be beyond ridiculous to expect that a country that has them in the crosshairs and is ramping illegal sanctions to harm their interests as badly as it can would respect their place at the driver's seat of the Venezuelan economy.

China dropped Maduro today and moved away from supporting him. They demand that Maduro negotiates and a peaceful compromise is found.

France, Germany, Spain and UK will acknowledge Guaido tomorrow as new President.

No, they r just sitting on the fence or pretending to do so. In the worst case, losing those $Bs there won't make a noticable dent in their economy.
If Ms more die & migrate North in/from L. America in the next decade, it'll just create more room for Ms of Chinese emigrants after the dust settles.

Aristide wrote:China dropped Maduro today and moved away from supporting him. They demand that Maduro negotiates and a peaceful compromise is found.

France, Germany, Spain and UK will acknowledge Guaido tomorrow as new President.

You fail reading comprehension. Which really shows your lack of superiority like you claim you have.  Actually, shows how disgustingly stupid and insignificant you are.

Since you are too stupid to distinguish what is being said, China is saying same thing as Russia - negotiate. But they recognize Maduro.

miketheterrible wrote:

Aristide wrote:China dropped Maduro today and moved away from supporting him. They demand that Maduro negotiates and a peaceful compromise is found.

France, Germany, Spain and UK will acknowledge Guaido tomorrow as new President.

You fail reading comprehension. Which really shows your lack of superiority like you claim you have.  Actually, shows how disgustingly stupid and insignificant you are.

Since you are too stupid to distinguish what is being said, China is saying same thing as Russia - negotiate. But they recognize Maduro.

Oh really? 4 days ago China official sided completly with Maduro and said he is the one and only elected president of Veezuela.

Now since things have shifted China pushs Maduro for compromise. Looks like China turns its flag in the wind.

What Russia says is irrelavant, since Russia doesnt have the finanacial tools to help Maduro.

Venezuela can only be held alive with massive investments. Investments that China is willing to do.

With USA and EU blockade of Venezuela and support for its new president, China sees where the wind is blowing.

Today the first generals from the airforce said teh support Guaido. Maduro is done.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/venezuela-general-maduro-guaido-1.5003535

On a sidenote, i advice you to stay classy and dont use personal insults. It makes you appear ... down.

You fail reading comprehension.

Exactly- that's called selective reading/hearing. In Russian, it's called having words come in 1 ear & exit from the other.
Calling on them to negotiate with opposition isn't=Maduro presidency is over. He himself stated his readiness to do it & compromise.

The french way would have been to depose Maduro like Chavez was deposed.

The Americans failed in that- he was soon restored, & the Chinese way is different. They have even less reason to  depose him.
1 AF general isn't the whole military.
With some 1,000 or so generals reportedly in Venezuela's military, there have not been many other signs of mass desertion in the upper ranks so far, according to CNN senior international correspondent Nick Paton Walsh, who was recently inside Venezuela.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/02/americas/venezuela-unrest/index.html

He is thought to have granted the military control of drug-smuggling routes among other income sources. This also makes it harder for officers to defect, knowing that a different government could bring criminal prosecutions.
It’s a time-tested tactic. When the president of Gambia, a small West African country, refused to step down after losing 2016 elections, citizens, elites and foreign governments turned against him. But the military stuck by him, in part because he had used those forces to crack down, exposing the brass to jail time if he ever lost power. The military’s vote was so decisive that the crisis was resolved only when nearby countries invaded.
This is why appeals to the military often include both an offer of amnesty and a promise to deliver the support of foreign powers.
Venezuela’s military leaders could view the medium of Mr. Guaidó’s message — an American newspaper — as a message that he has sway with the Americans.
Still, both Mr. Guaidó and Mr. Maduro have weak enough positions that neither can fully guarantee the military’s future.
Even as some officers have rebelled, raising fears of a full-blown mutiny, the generals have not jumped to Mr. Guaidó. But Mr. Maduro appears to feel his grasp on them is tenuous enough that he has not called troops into the streets to put down protests.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/31/world/americas/venezuela-legitimate-maduro-guaido.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolivarian_Armed_Forces_of_Venezuela#Service_branches

When Is a Democracy Not a Democracy? When It’s Venezuela and the US is Pushing Regime Change

Tsavo Lion wrote:

You fail reading comprehension.

Exactly- that's called selective reading/hearing. In Russian, it's called having words come in 1 ear & exit from the other.
Calling on them to negotiate with opposition isn't=Maduro presidency is over. He himself stated his readiness to do it & compromise.

This. Aristide has a habit of overreacting. His "interpretation" of those statements is nothing but wishful thinking at this point.

I do have readong comprehension abilities. China is in economic trouble at the moment. Since trump tariffs the shit out of them, their economy stalls.

So a growth of 6.6% is stalling... Riiight. Reality: China's exports to the US are maybe 4% of its NOMINAL GDP. America doesn't have that kind of power anymore, this isn't 2008.

On a sidenote, i advice you to stay classy and dont use personal insults.

I can agree with this.

He always interprets info. to fit his worldview. But that's his problem.
Venezuela ranks 46 in military power, between Colombia & Iraq:
https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp
https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=venezuela

Let’s say the U.S. military could oust Maduro from power. Venezuela’s capital, Caracas, is perched on the northern coast of the country. If Trump ordered the Pentagon to come up with a plan, one could imagine warships dispatched to the Caribbean, launching airstrikes against Maduro’s “command and control targets” and landing Marines on the shores.
But this would almost certainly be only the first step of a long occupation. Venezuela is a large country—twice as large as Iraq and only slightly less populous. Let’s say much of the Venezuelan military could be wooed over to the opposition’s side; Guaidó has been holding talks with some officers, and the Venezuelan military attaché in Washington recently defected. The rest of the military might still stay put with Maduro. We could be wading into—and to a large extent, prompting—a civil war. And this leaves out the 1.6 million members of an armed civil militia, whose pro-Maduro leaders say they are poised to repel an “invading imperialist force.”
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/01/trump-venezuela-military-force-maduro.html

Trump needs this problem to go away, on his terms, before the 2020 election.
If he uses Colombians & Brazilians, what if Mexico & Nicaragua send their military volunteers to help Maduro?

Tsavo Lion wrote:He always interprets info. to fit his worldview. But that's his problem.
Venezuela ranks 46 in military power, between Colombia & Iraq:
https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp
https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=venezuela

Let’s say the U.S. military could oust Maduro from power. Venezuela’s capital, Caracas, is perched on the northern coast of the country. If Trump ordered the Pentagon to come up with a plan, one could imagine warships dispatched to the Caribbean, launching airstrikes against Maduro’s “command and control targets” and landing Marines on the shores.
But this would almost certainly be only the first step of a long occupation. Venezuela is a large country—twice as large as Iraq and only slightly less populous. Let’s say much of the Venezuelan military could be wooed over to the opposition’s side; Guaidó has been holding talks with some officers, and the Venezuelan military attaché in Washington recently defected. The rest of the military might still stay put with Maduro. We could be wading into—and to a large extent, prompting—a civil war. And this leaves out the 1.6 million members of an armed civil militia, whose pro-Maduro leaders say they are poised to repel an “invading imperialist force.”
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/01/trump-venezuela-military-force-maduro.html

Trump needs this problem to go away, on his terms, before the 2020 election.
If he uses Colombians & Brazilians, what if Mexico & Nicaragua send their military volunteers to help Maduro?

Mexico is a US colony without own politics. They depend absolute on trade with USA. To believe Mexico would throw its economy away for Maduro, is laughable.

They just stopped the US imposed war on drugs:
https://www.presstv.com/DetailFr/2019/01/31/587264/Mexico-president-war-on-drugs-Obrador

https://sputniknews.com/latam/201901311071979521-mexico-president-drugs-measures-security/

http://time.com/5517391/mexico-president-ends-drug-war/

They don't need a perpetual civil war so the US MIC & CIA make $Bs. But their men can go to Central & S. America with tacit government approval to support Nicaragua, Cuba & Venezuela. The Mexicans can always claim that they can't stop them from going. That will put pressure on the US & their cronies to improve relations with Mexico & leave Nicaragua, Cuba & Venezuela alone sooner.

Very interesting article here.

The Making of Juan Guaidó: US Regime-Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader
1/29/19 -- Dan Cohen & Max Blumenthal

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/01/29/the-making-of-juan-guaido-us-regime-change-laboratory-created-venezuelas-coup-leader/

Here's a choice excerpt

Training for Insurrection

On Oct. 5, 2005, with Chavez’s popularity at its peak and his government planning sweeping socialist programs, five Venezuelan “student leaders” arrived in Belgrade, Serbia to begin training for an insurrection.

The students had arrived from Venezuela courtesy of the Center for Applied Non-Violent Action and Strategies, or CANVAS. This group is funded largely through the National Endowment for Democracy, a CIA cut-out that functions as the U.S. government’s main arm of promoting regime change; and offshoots like the International Republican Institute and the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs. According to leaked internal emails from Stratfor, an intelligence firm known as the “shadow CIA,” “[CANVAS] may have also received CIA funding and training during the 1999/2000 anti-Milosevic struggle.”

CANVAS is a spinoff of Otpor, a Serbian protest group founded by Srdja Popovic in 1998 at the University of Belgrade. Otpor, which means “resistance” in Serbian, was the student group that gained international fame – and Hollywood-level promotion – by mobilizing the protests that eventually toppled Slobodan Milosevic. This small cell of regime change specialists was operating according to the theories of the late Gene Sharp, the “Clausewitz of non-violent struggle.” Sharp had worked with a former Defense Intelligence Agency analyst, Col. Robert Helvey, to conceive a strategic blueprint that weaponized protest as a form of hybrid warfare, aiming it at states that resisted Washington’s unipolar domination.


Otpor at the 1998 MTV Europe Music Awards.

Which one in the picture is Papadragon?

They can work or die. Its up to them. Thats their purpose.

Or they, like the Mongols/Tartars, English, Russians, Black slaves, Mexicans, Germans, Vietnamese & Afghans before them can kill some French & other Western soldiers/mercenaries. Me & they care as much for ur opinion as for the snow that fell last year in the French Alps!


The pro-gov. spin aside, all indications r that they won't defect:
These are the Venezuela military officers who have kept Maduro in power

There is also an ongoing issue in that there are an estimated 6M small arms dispersed in the population very large members of which owe their improved circumstances to the socialist takeover. The claim that this could be another Vietnam is not an empty one.

Yankee go home is a slogan that the US ignores at its peril and it is now well under 2 years until the next Presidential election there. US military in body bags in a new war is not an option for Trump.

US military in body bags in a new war is not an option for Trump.

They'll be sent back in them even if they r deployed only to Colombia, by locals & Venezuelans &/ Colombians who live in Venezuela as they can come in & out, just like N. Vietnamese vs. S. Vietnam.

Only if the guerrillas go & hide there. Except the Natives, the population lives close to & on the urbanized coast; unlike in the interior, there is no thick jungle.
https://www.worldtravelguide.net/guides/south-america/venezuela/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela#Biodiversity

The Colombian topography is also somewhat similar to Vietnam:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Colombia#Vegetation

The US forces used Jungle Operations Training Center in Panama for decades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Sherman#Modern_use

https://www.wearethemighty.com/military-life/why-jungle-warfare-school-was-called-a-green-hell

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2017/03/16/soldiers-train-for-jungle-warfare-at-hawaii-rainforest/

https://www.army.mil/article/190264/jungle_operations_training_course_challenges_mental_physical_readiness

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/35419977/its-a-jungle-warfare-course-unique-in-the-nation-and-its-hidden-in-central-oahu/

In 2015, the Chinese were also seeking Brazilian Assistance With Jungle Training

Dont PM me Frog.

LMFS wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:In other news, Maduro agreed to early elections. Good, now this should shut everyone up.

...Elections to substitute the rebellious national assembly (where Gweedo belongs), so legislative power can work again. He is saying nothing about presidential elections AFAIK

The next move should be targeting the pretender's financial and media support - the wealthy people in East Caracas and the large landowners.

LMFS wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:In other news, Maduro agreed to early elections. Good, now this should shut everyone up.

...Elections to substitute the rebellious national assembly (where Gweedo belongs), so legislative power can work again. He is saying nothing about presidential elections AFAIK

Thank you for correction. Russian news just said elections at first. They jumped the gun and so did I.

There is no need for any military operation. Just lock the country down and sanction the shit out of maduro.

There is a massive food crisis going on in Venezuela. Millions are on the streets, because they have nothing to eat.

Venezuelas new government calls the world for help.To send food. Maduro doesnt want that. He said he will only accept food aid if his militia deploys teh send goods.

Venezueals new president said he opens the country for the aid.

The people are desperate and want to eat. Colombia and Brazil want start to deliver the aid send from EU, USA ect against Maduros will.

Since Maduro is not acknowledged as president by USA, France, UK, Colombia, Spain, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Germany and entire EU, his powerbase is breaking apart. Showing
that he has no control over teh country is the next strike and you know how we do that?

You know what France and Venezuela have in common? Look at the symbol on my ring:



We french are catholics. So are spaniards, colombians, brazilians and also venezuealans.

There is no need for war, when you show the world how poor the people are and feed them against Maduros will. The Vatican already said tehy would organize the delivery to help the people.

You have desperate poor people there who starve, a new president who calls for help, an isolated Maduro who only gets oil income through the USA.

I see our sucess quite positive and i´m quite sure we will get some sweet contracts there.

On a sidenote, i always wanted to visit Venzuela. The Tepuis are a dream to see for me. Unfortunately its impossible for a french to travel Venezueala as long Maduro is president there.

None of the countries in EU control their politics themselves. If they reject an idea that does not serve Zionist agenda, they got punished.

https://www.rt.com/news/450594-source-italy-regects-guaido/

Italy vetoed EU recognition of Venezuelan opposition leader Guaido – M5S source to RT

LMAO if true. (Some) Europeans are acting independently for once, but funnily enough when that happens it goes against Aristide's "European interests". So Aristide, shouldn't you as a nationalist support the Five Star Movement anyway? But now they FULLY SUPPORT Maduro (atleast if you overreact and interpret these type of moves and statements like Aristide), so how do you make sense of that?


This comment is great:

Look for the EU to change the rules. Nobody tells Brussels what to do, except America of course.

Italy will be sanctioned by The Masters of the Universe in 3... 2... 1...