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    Venezuela crisis

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    Will usa be successful in installing it's puppet

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:10 pm

    US navy can block the venezuelan ships but not russian or chinese.
    Foreign flagged tankers & other merchant ships can be turned away. PLAN & VMF tankers r not enough to help Venezuela's trade.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:27 am

    Many US subservient flagged ships will obey any blockade, but there are plenty of other ships that wont... is the US prepared to open fire on ships in international waters or Venezuelan waters to enforce a blockade not supported by the UN?

    They would be opening themselves up to serious potential backlash... blockading a country is an act of war... they could simply round up all Americans in Venezuela and use them on their ships... starting with Guano. Lock them in a below decks room and handcuff them to each other... sink the ship and the crew will likely make it to life rafts but the US just killed its own people.

    Either way a great way to remove Americans and their supporters from the country...
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    Post  nomadski Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:42 pm

    Why not Iranians and Venezuelans and north yemen and China and Russia SIMULTANEOUSLY block ships ?  If yank block Venezuela,  then Iran block Hormuz , and yemen block bab - al - mandeb and china block south sea and Russia block Mediterranean sea ? For a short while  . A few days ? Even a few hours ? Better than one ship ram another ship . Too many ships . Yanks have 500 . Must devide their forces . I am hoping they coordinate it .

    Can north Korea block something ? ..........
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    Post  andalusia Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:46 am

    This is a good article here that the mainstream media doesn't report this angle of the situation in Venezuela.

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/john-pilger-war-venezuela-built-lies/255422/?fbclid=IwAR2XvYAUJ-LTMBkThN-RHiLxsSyYTkA5H78jyLUYQF12sPAlqv-PGGNKJCk
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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:00 am

    Very good article that some people on this forum who think Maduro should go should look at... the conflict in Venezuela is about whether white America and their cronies control oil reserves or not... the Venezuelan people mean nothing in this sort of accounting... so if Maduro should go then you clearly are either a nazi or a communist sympathiser, because democracy has nothing to do with removing a democratically elected leader...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:01 pm

    US mil. group in C. and S. America has now up to 20K people, can be doubled - GRU

    Bloomberg: US made another mistake in Latin America https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2618995.html


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    Post  kvs Sat Apr 27, 2019 4:30 pm

    The UN will never approve a blockade of Venezuela. So any US attack on ships trying to reach Venezuelan harbours will be considered
    legally as naked aggression and an act of war. US sanctions and other racketeering scam theater work on its quisling regimes and
    other weak countries. They don't work on Russia and China.

    The fact that the US backed off after a couple of hundred Russian and Chinese specialists arrived in Venezuela implies it will not be
    engaging in naval warfare with Russia and China. So there will be no blockade. America needs some "international coalition" as a
    fig leaf for such action. No such coalition will form. Even in Latin America there is not much appetite for Uncle Scumbag's chode.

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    Post  verkhoturye51 Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:11 pm

    Guaido started the coup at 5:48 am local time - one hour ago. They freed Leopoldo Lopez and went to La Carlota air base (Caracas), where part of the National Guard defected to his side, the rebels now identify themselves with blue ribbons. Now the rebels hold the airbase, waiting for the government attack, that was just announced.

    Highway next to it is already blocked

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    Maduro's National Guard took over Altamira interchange, SEBIN Intelligence service cars visible

    https://twitter.com/Adriananunezr/status/1123168168938287104

    Military reinforcements flowing eastward into Altamira via Chacao neighbourhood

    https://twitter.com/isnardobravo/status/1123172731258843138
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:04 pm

    Guaidos group is small. I don't think they even hold the airbase. So I think they will be crushed.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:16 pm

    Let's see how long will they last. The anti-terror op began half an hour ago

    https://twitter.com/AbreuReport/status/1123206853255749632
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    Post  ATLASCUB Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:48 pm

    They finally got Leopoldo to show his face in public once again - and in a very favorable way (for the govt.).

    This presents a lot of opportunities if cashed in properly.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:26 pm

    Now, that it's becoming clear that there the mutiny has been contained and there will be no more defections, it will be time to judge the mutineers.

    https://twitter.com/NTN24ve/status/1123254636511625216
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:39 pm

    Apparently some of the so called mutineers were actually fooled into it

    Eric Prince wanting to use mercenaries in Venezuela.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:45 pm

    Great. So it's entire Venezuelan nation + entire military + mercenaries vs. Nicolas Maduro. That's one strong man. Laughing
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:49 pm

    OK they have to kill Guaido and many others that took place in this civil war attempt, else they will never be taken seriously.
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:17 pm

    https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1123247890426732544?s=19

    Soldiers saying they were tricked by Guaido
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    Post  verkhoturye51 Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:41 pm

    I retweeted this.

    Maduro doesn't have to use violence, that is for weak men. Rule of law on the other hand has to work of course.
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    Post  MiamiMachineShop Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:56 pm

    Perhaps now the Russian contingent can be increased to Khmeimim levels? What should the makeup of future Russian personnel consist of? Air defense/VVS personnel? Could we see TU-160 deployed for extended time? PVDSA can basically finance the Russian operation so its not like its a matter of money, I would say Venezuelan oil can keep the Russian grouping there without strain on budget. Basically if Russia increases LNG export they can slow production of oil and keep Venezuelan oil on the market even if USA doesn't like it without affecting market dynamics much
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    Post  verkhoturye51 Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:41 pm

    There is no Russian contingent in Venezuela. Limited number of personnel has arrived there to open helicopter school and talk about fulfilling existing contracts. Permanent deployment of foreign forces on Venezuelan soil is forbidden by constitution.

    You can ask Colombians about foreign presence in Venezuela, if you want Smile
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:05 pm

    Will Venezuela become South America's Afghanistan?

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    Post  Hole Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:02 pm

    Well, who turned Afghanistan into Afghanistan (so to say)? Billions from Amiland, Takfiristan and their western european vassals.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:39 pm

    No way, Guaido's right hand has pulled tail between his legs:

    https://twitter.com/robertoampuero/status/1123307791299547138

    It's officially over Laughing cheers
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    Post  Aristide Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:44 pm

    Time to shot the bus driver and be done with this socialist shit.

    I must admit i always feel happy when such russkie supported clown dictstors go down
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    Post  MiamiMachineShop Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:01 pm

    They should be put down brutally like Comrade Andropov steamrolled Czechs and Hungarians. Basically Venezuela will become a rent extraction scheme for Russian Neo-Empire, but with some benefits for Venezuela, basically survival for them in exchange for oil, resources, military contracts. French and Americans have no say whatsoever in this process. After squashing those rioting Venezuelans we can say the situation in brotherly Venezuela has been normalized.
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    Post  MiamiMachineShop Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:08 pm

    Leopoldo Lopez has fled to Chilean embassy in Venezuela. Not that he was going to make any difference, but it seems situation was indeed normalized. Traitors are running to Brazil. This was like bay of pigs basically but even worse because the three stooges pence, bolton, and pompeo were basically tweeting as if some finality was coming. In the end, normalization of agitators only leads to the strengthening of the ruling hand. After Soviets ran over Hungarians and Czechs it was the same. The Communist Party there was strengthened to high levels. This is a big victory for the so called bus driver. Seems he can drive more than just a bus

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