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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:19 pm

    I wonder if they are going to go the route and increase the age limit for recruitment. I know when I had the chance to join the army or knock up a chick, I should have chosen the army (although our army sucks and I would probably the trained with a fake wooden gun or the ones that shoot elastic bands). Maybe I should join the Russians, but I'm approaching 30.

    Damn.

    Or, legalize PMC's and I can be some fatass overpaid security guard.
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    Post  franco Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:42 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:I wonder if they are going to go the route and increase the age limit for recruitment.  I know when I had the chance to join the army or knock up a chick, I should have chosen the army (although our army sucks and I would probably the trained with a fake wooden gun or the ones that shoot elastic bands).  Maybe I should join the Russians, but I'm approaching 30.

    Damn.

    Or, legalize PMC's and I can be some fatass overpaid security guard.

    Maybe contract but not conscript, that would be too political.
    Another interesting factor is the new option for conscripts of doing a two year tour instead of the one year conscripted service. They get contractor wages, benefits and other perks for this. Have seen indications that up to 10% are taking this.
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:48 pm

    franco wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:I wonder if they are going to go the route and increase the age limit for recruitment.  I know when I had the chance to join the army or knock up a chick, I should have chosen the army (although our army sucks and I would probably the trained with a fake wooden gun or the ones that shoot elastic bands).  Maybe I should join the Russians, but I'm approaching 30.

    Damn.

    Or, legalize PMC's and I can be some fatass overpaid security guard.

    Maybe contract but not conscript, that would be too political.
    Another interesting factor is the new option for conscripts of doing a two year tour instead of the one year conscripted service. They get contractor wages, benefits and other perks for this. Have seen indications that up to 10% are taking this.  

    yeah, but usually contract service men need previous experience. Since they get paid quite well too.

    The conscript thing you mentioned sounds like it will become quite popular as many would take that if they are offered contract perks.
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    Post  franco Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:38 pm

    From an article in Red Star:
    Out of 134,000 fall conscripts, only 120,805 will serve in the Defense Forces.
    From another article read earlier, 12,800+ will serve in the National Guard plus several hundred each in the Kremlin Regiment and military units of the EMERCON.
    Females number over 1,000 attending Military Academies / Institutes including the 16 who were just accepted into Pilot Training.

    http://www.redstar.ru/index.php/component/k2/item/34686-masshtab-napravlenij
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    Post  eridan Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:44 pm

    Any info on how these Franco's projections have changed by today?

    Ground Forces - 280,000
    Aerospace Forces - 190,000
    Naval Forces - 140,000
    Rocket Troops - 68,000
    Airborne Troops - 42,000
    Central Command - 100,000



    I am especially interested in Ground forces and Airborne troops.

    Could we be looking at 300,000 for GF by now, with those alleged new units standing up? And over 45,000 for AB?

    How many marines does the Navy have?

    And what portion of Aerospace troops are handling the utility/transport/attack helicopters, something that most armed forces usually put under their ground army, not the air force? 10 thousand? More?

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    Post  franco Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:06 pm

    Interesting questions. I'll wait for the most part to see what the MoD claims for personnel come years end.
    Another hard read or question is all the Ground forces and Air Space forces that have been placed under the control of the Navy around the country. Are they now Navy or still counted as Ground or Air Forces?
    But for the present I would say Ground Forces 300-330,000 and Airborne at 45,000.
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    Post  eridan Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:56 pm

    Thanks. Do you think there will be breakdowns for each branch published? Complete with ratio of contract soldiers in every branch?

    These figures you mentioned before, 425 thousand contract soldiers and 275 thousand conscripts, that's 700 thousand total. So those number still lack comissioned officers? With officers, grand total would be 850 thousand or so?
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    Post  franco Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:38 pm

    New authorized Ministry of Defense personnel totals;

    - Servicemen 1,013,628 (unchanged)

    - Civilians 889,130 (reduced slightly)

    = Total 1,902,758
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    Post  franco Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:53 pm

    eridan wrote:Thanks. Do you think there will be breakdowns for each branch published? Complete with ratio of contract soldiers in every branch?

    These figures you mentioned before, 425 thousand contract soldiers and 275 thousand conscripts, that's 700 thousand total. So those number still lack comissioned officers? With officers, grand total would be 850 thousand or so?  

    Sorry just noticed this. The authorized total for Commissioned Officers was 220,000 but not sure of the new total after Spetsstroy (Special Construction) was absorbed into the Ministry of Defense. Would assume the new total to be somewhere between 224,000 and 225,000. As of last December it was 93% filled. They don't seem big on releasing branch totals and breakdowns plus it has only been in the last few years they have given the total amounts.
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    Post  franco Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:57 pm

    Out of 1,013,628 military personnel (by staff), more than 160,000 are engaged in providing:

    The tasks of material and technical support of troops and forces are being solved by more than 160,000 servicemen, distributed according to the types of the Armed Forces and the branches of the armed forces.
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    Post  George1 Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:23 am

    MOSCOW, January 1. /TASS/. The size of the Russian Armed Forces has decreased by nearly 300 personnel on January 1, according to a decree signed earlier by the country’s president Vladimir Putin.

    "The size of the Russian Armed Forces should stand at 1,902,758 personnel, including 1,013,628 military servicemen," the decree reads.


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/983867
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    Post  franco Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:09 pm

    MOSCOW, February 9 (Itar-Tass) - RIA Novosti. The number of the central apparatus of the Ministry of Defense of Russia by the decree of the Russian president has been increased from 10,540 to 10,740 people, the staff has been supplemented with posts of federal civil servants, according to the official Internet portal of legal information.

    Vladimir Putin issued Decree No. 60 "On Amendments to Presidential Decree No. 1082 of August 16, 2004," Questions of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, "which came into force on the day of its signing on February 9.

    "To establish the maximum number of the central apparatus of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in the amount of 10,740 units (without personnel for the protection and maintenance of buildings)," the text of the document published on the legal portal says.

    The decree of the head of the Russian state provides for the presence in the structures of the central apparatus of the Ministry of Defense of federal state civil servants in the number of 4930 people.

    Earlier, the number of the central apparatus of the Russian military department was determined by a presidential decree in the number of 10,540 people (including 4,730 federal civil servants).


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    Post  franco Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:12 pm

    Women in the Russian Ministry of Defense:

    - 4,000 officers
    - 7,500 warrant officers
    - 33,000 contract servicewomen and sergeants
    - 1,300 cadets attending military academies
    - 315,000 civilian employees

    EDIT: 4,000 in the RSVN and 7,500 in the VKS
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    Post  franco Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:23 pm

    Spring 2018 draft to commence in April. Quota to be 128,000, 14,000 less then the 2017 Fall Draft. Normally the National Guard, Kremlin Regiment and Emercon military units will take about 15,000 per draft leaving the rest to the Armed Forces.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12169140@egNews

    EDIT: Armed Forces draftees to total 113,840 of the 128,000
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    Post  franco Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:41 pm

    - Evgeny Vladimirovich, yesterday the country celebrated the 100th anniversary of the military enlistment offices. How he was, this way lasted for a century, and whether military commissars had predecessors in Russian history?

    "Without a doubt, the military commissariats are a unique structure. Created almost simultaneously with the formation of new authorities of the Soviet Republic, it allowed the formation of a strong Red Army as soon as possible, manning it with personnel and providing everything necessary for conducting combat operations.
    Of course, in the history of the Russian state, local military control agencies existed before. After the introduction of universal military service in 1874, military presence in provinces, regions, counties and cities was created-these were the predecessors of military commissariats. They solved such tasks as accounting of persons who are subject to conscription, medical examination, conscription for military service and provision of military horse service.
    Created in 1918 by decree of the Council of People's Commissars, new local military command and control agencies - military commissariats additionally dealt with other issues: training in military affairs, commanding troops intended for local needs, and military supplies. To solve them, 14 provincial and 50 district military commissariats were created, but by the beginning of 1919 there were 39 and 385 respectively.
    With the development of the army and navy, the tasks entrusted to the military commissariats also changed, and in the thirties one of the directions of work was planning the delivery of motor vehicles and tractors from the national economy to the troops. During the Great Patriotic War, 179 republican, regional and regional, as well as more than four and a half thousand district and city military commissariats provided their solution during the Great Patriotic War, mobilized, organized universal military training for citizens and the recruitment of troops in wartime.
    At present, the system is optimal, includes 83 military commissariat of the subjects of the Russian Federation and 1,429 military commissariats of municipalities.
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    Post  franco Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:52 am

    10 Steps to the Contract Service

    Explains the head of the Main Directorate of Personnel of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Colonel-General Viktor GOREMYKIN

    Which way does it take to become a contract serviceman?
    It is enough to do 10 steps:
    1. Apply to a military service selection point for a consultation and provide information about yourself, wishes for a position, specialty, region of service (in person, by phone, via the Internet, by mail).
    2. Collect documents for entering the military service (a list of documents is available on the website of the Ministry of Defense of Russia www.mil.ru.).
    3. Apply for admission to military service under the contract to the instructor of the selection point.
    4. Perform tests to assess professional psychological fitness for military service.
    5. To pass medical examination in the military commissariat (the place of passing the survey should be specified in the selection point).
    6. To pass specifications on physical preparation.
    7. To get acquainted with the conclusion of the joint commission of the selection point for military service under the contract and the military commissariat for the selection of candidates entering the military service under the contract (the place and time of receipt is specified in the selection point for military service under the contract).
    8. Obtain military transport documents and instructions for going to the military unit. To leave for the military unit (the place and time of receipt is specified in the selection point).
    9. Arrive at the appointed time in the military unit and conclude a contract for military service.
    10. To pass the course of intensive combined arms training.

    Within four weeks, practical classes (up to 240 hours) are held:
    - classes on the simulators - up to 10 hours;
    - Physical training - up to 36 hours;
    - tactical training - up to 32 hours;
    - special training - up to 50 hours;
    - performing shooting exercises from AK-74 - 9 times (200 rounds) and throwing grenades - 7 times.

    The citizen can declare the desire to enter the service under the contract before the conscription commission makes a decision on his conscription to the military service

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    Post  franco Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:54 pm

    Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu has disclosed plans to expand the list of military roles that can be undertaken by female cadets and students - both in military schools and universities with military education centers.

    “Every year we receive hundreds of letters and inquests, we are facing the same question over and over again: why young men can undergo military training and girls cannot? I want to say that since recently the girls also can do it. We will do everything for them to undergo military training, though, naturally, not in all military professions,” Sergey Shoigu said on Tuesday as he met with the head of the Khakassia region and the heads of civilian universities in Abakan, South Siberia.

    The statement came after one of Shoigu’s deputies, Nikolai Pankov, said that, at the moment, a very large number of young Russian women wanted to enter military service and receive military education. He added that competition among women to enter existing military schools is “beyond all limits.”

    Shoigu approved the proposal to compose and officially validate the list of military professions that can be taught to female students in the military educational centers at universities.

    Last year, the Russian Defense Ministry introduced a plan for major reform in officer training including the replacement of military departments in civilian universities with dedicated centers offering improved training for various specialists, based on specific requests from the Defense Ministry. The new rules also allow students to have their studies sponsored by the Defense Ministry on condition that they sign contracts for active service before beginning their education.

    Shoigu also described an experiment last year, in which 15 Russian women joined the Krasnodar Military Aviation School for the first time in many years, as successful.

    Russia has universal conscription, a compulsory 12-month draft, but it only applies to men. However, about a year ago the human rights ombudsman Tatyana Moskalkova said that she saw the situation as a possible violation of gender equality and promised to address the issue in the near future.

    The Defense Ministry replied that that conscription for men was not a right, but a duty and added that women can join the military as volunteers and build their careers to any rank - from private soldier to general. The ministry added that Russia currently has about 45,000 women in the military with the overall strength of the forces being about 830,000.
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    Post  franco Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:58 pm

    Women in the Army

    Now 44.5 thousand women serve in the Russian army, and more than 1.3 thousand girls-cadets study in military educational institutions. Another 315,000 women work in the Ministry of Defense in civilian positions.

    Among women with epaulets about 10% have officer ranks, about 20% - warrant officers. All of them serve voluntarily - on a contract basis - for more than 150 specialties in all types and branches of the army.

    Most women serve and work in military schools, communication units, medical, clothing, food services. There are no commanders of combat units and subunits among them.


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    Post  franco Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:40 pm

    MOSCOW, September 28 (Itar-Tass) - RIA Novosti. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on the autumn appeal, according to which 132.5 thousand people will join the Russian army. The decree is published on the Internet portal of legal information on Friday.

    "To carry out from October 1 to December 31, 2018 a call for military service of citizens of the Russian Federation aged 18 to 27 years who are not in reserve and are to be conscripted for military service in the amount of 132,500 people," the document says.

    NOTE: this is 4,500 more then the spring draft and as per normal approximately 15,000 of these will serve in the National Guard, EMERCON or Kremlin Regiment (FSO). From figures mentioned concerning the previous two drafts, from 10-12.5% of these draftees will opt for a 2-year contract service instead of the 1-year conscript service.
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    Post  franco Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:54 pm

    New planned contract servicemen total of 475,600 by 2025.
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    Post  franco Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:27 pm

    MOSCOW, November 10 - RIA News. Nearly 50 thousand contract servicemen joined the ranks of the Armed Forces of Russia in 2018 during the campaign "Military service under the contract is your choice!", The Russian Defense Ministry reports.

    “This landmark event has already been held in more than 340 cities of Russia, more than 155 thousand citizens visited the selection points, of which contracts were concluded with almost 48 thousand people,” said Deputy Defense Minister Yury Sadovenko at the rally in Ryazan.

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    Post  franco Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:31 am

    Fall 2018 draft totals are 132,500 conscripts, of which 118,440 will service in the Armed Forces.

    http://foto-i-mir.ru/selektorn_mo_rf_181005/
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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:38 am

    This really is your thread Franco...


    We appreciate it... even if we have no comments to make... Smile
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    Post  George1 Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:18 am

    Today General Staff Chief Gerasimov says the Russian MOD's goal for contract enlisted service is now 475,000 personnel by 2025. Not so long ago the goal was 499,000 by 2020. Quote likely from his speech to the Academy of Military Sciences.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6178021
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    Post  Kimppis Wed May 01, 2019 12:44 am

    https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/20190418.aspx
    Attrition: Russia Losses Its Edge

    Trigger warning. So the article is a joke. First of all, WTF is that headline? Not only is the "analysis" extremely biased, but also really poorly written and the author doesn't give any numbers or stats to support his assertions after the first paragraph. His sources are seemingly "some internet discussions" and... "smartphone" anecdotes.

    OK, I'll quote:
    Russia recently revealed that its 2015 program to offer para-military training to teenagers had so far gained 350,000 members (and has a goal of one million).

    What is he talking about here?  

    Russia still uses conscription but popular pressure has forced the government to reduce conscript service to one year and because so much of that time has to be spent with training (to turn civilians into useful soldiers) the military gets little practical use out of conscripts.

    That's... a simplification. It was the right decision, and made ages ago as well.

    The damage the one-year conscript service did to the military was never officially admitted until recently because senior officers were told that anyone speaking about this publicly would do serious damage to their careers. But, as officers with knowledge of the extent of the damage retired or resigned from the military, more of them spoke openly of the problem.

    Because of the growing demand for troops to serve in eastern Ukraine and Syria, there was more discussion on the Internet of the negative impact one-year conscripts have inflicted. Denials from the government were no longer working and active duty generals and admirals unofficially admitted it was all true, and that it was actually as bad as much of the Internet chatter implied.

    It was no secret that the presence of so many ill-trained conscripts in the military discouraged men from joining as volunteers (contract soldiers) and many existing officers and career enlisted men were leaving as well. For years it had been generally believed that the only effective units in the Russian military were the 100,000 or so troops in the Spetsnaz (special operations) and airborne units and even these units took some conscript volunteers and used them for support jobs requiring less training and experience.

    So it's evil Putler's denials vs. some truthful internet anecdotes again? Are there really 100,000 troops in the Spetsnaz and VDV combined? Over 50,000 Spetsnaz? Shouldn't it be lower than that actually? I know there are several "brigades," but are they brigades in any conventional sense?

    Taking ships to sea is increasingly risky when so many of the crew are conscripts who have to be closely supervised and taught the many basic skills warship crewmen require. The air force is unable to maintain aircraft adequately. That means more aircraft, particularly the many older ones still in service, are crashing. Pilots are not able to fly as many hours as needed to retain skills. This situation has been made worse since 2015 because of the air operations in Syria. Those air operations are a priority and since Syria is a combat zone conscripts cannot be sent there. In any event, Syria is no place for anything but the most skilled and experienced maintainers. That means few of these maintainers are available for the air force squadrons back in Russia, which now fly even fewer hours.


    LMAO. Yeah, that's supported by statistics... It's the exact opposite.  

    The government was eager to keep this conscript crisis quiet because officially admitting it would hamper Russian diplomacy based on threats of large scale military action. East European media openly mocks Russian military threats because of the few effective units Russia actually has.

    This is gold. Nothing else to add. lol1

    Government efforts to project the image of a modern, professional and constantly improving armed forces is proving more difficult to sustain. Thus the urgency of making the para-military school program work. During the decades of communist rule, the state had complete control over the media, massive internal security forces and, most importantly, no Internet or smartphones. Those last two items have crippled efforts to persuade Russians and foreigners that Russia was still a major developer and manufacturer of new weapons.

    The constant stream of press releases detailing new weapons the Russian forces will be equipped with is undermined by the reality, often documented vis-a-vi smartphone video spread via the Internet. The new weapons often do not work at all and even if they do there is never enough money to produce them in the quantities implied. Russian development and manufacturing efforts are still crippled by shortages of cash and talent. Arms exports are hurt by this...

    Yeah, clearly. Except that Russia is quite transparent about the procurement numbers, we know them quite accurately. But muh smartphones, I guess... It's all a lie, obviously. Those hundreds of new and upgraded aircraft and helicopters, S-400 and Iskander launchers, not to mention Ratnik sets and upgraded tanks don't actually exist folks.  

    This poverty of money and talent is very visible with the Russian military efforts in Ukraine (Donbas) and Syria. Both are being carried out on the cheap and with as much discretion as possible because these operations are unpopular with the Russian people.  Thus government efforts to mask just how much these operations cost in terms of resources and casualties. Hiding the spending is easier than concealing the number of dead.

    Uhh... nice contradiction. They are both extremely "cheap" and so expensive that they need to be hidden, at the same time. And does the term "discretion" really describe the Syria operation accurately? No. Also, according to him, the most capable units are all in Syria... so how is that cheap?  

    The reports from the new Zampolits and official troop opinion polls are not encouraging, but they explain why so many young Russians and their parents are so eager to avoid conscription any way they can.

    Morale has not improved but at least the regular use of opinion surveys showed that the troops were well aware of deceptive press releases about nonexistent new equipment.The troops also knew what low budget charades the operations in Donbas and Syria were. While many details of the surveys could be kept secret, the actual attitudes of the troops could not. No wonder why some Russians are nostalgic for the good old days of communist rule.

    What the hell... Morale has not improved!?  lol1  I'd like to know more about those "reports" as well. Give us some actual numbers ffs!! The "Soviet nostalgia" quip also shows very well how this is just an anti-Russian hitpiece. It's the old commies who feel nostalgic about the USSR, not the young people in the military. Neutral

    If you want to see the future, look at China where newly (for the first time in history) modernized Chinese forces are a long-term threat to Russia.

    Right. That makes a lot of strategic sense and I'm sure that's also why China is focusing so heavily on blue water navy. It will be soooo useful against Russia. Nice wishful thinking.

    Lacking cash the Russian government is forced to come up with other methods. Many of these new ideas are practices that were widely used during the communist period or even before during czarist times. Para-military training for high school students was used during czarist times when far fewer Russian youngsters got more than eight years of schooling. Teenagers of the aristocracy and wealthy families did attend secondary school and many of these had para-military training. So what is old is new again.

    Uh-huh... A fitting end to this "analysis".

    Was this article written in 2008?

    He's clearly almost entirely full of shit, to but it mildly, and the overall narrative is very detached from reality and actual trends. But the reason why I'm even posting it is the most recent post in this thread:

    Today General Staff Chief Gerasimov says the Russian MOD's goal for contract enlisted service is now 475,000 personnel by 2025. Not so long ago the goal was 499,000 by 2020.

    Even though Franco posted this at the end of 2016:

    After watching Shogiu's speech, the 384,000 contractors include:

    62,000 warrant officers and 103,000 sergeants

    And in 2017 there were 425,000?? So a huge slowdown after 2017?

    Plus there are recent reports like this:
    https://www.rt.com/russia/456355-putin-army-conscription-outdated/
    Military conscription in Russia becomes thing of the past – Putin

    So are those problems (all of sudden) real to an extent? I expected Russian military to be almost fully professional by 2025 at this rate. Not that it necessarily matters all that much, because in some roles conscripts are fine.

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