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    Post  Book. on Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:32 am

    Over the Battlefield of Iwo Jima = burning of bunker, Mass Burial

    Published on Jul 15, 2015
    June 24, 2015 at Iwo Jima in the Bonin Islands, known as a hard-fought areas of the Pacific War, Maritime Self training of Mamoru-tai is published in the press, also tours around the Battlefield of the island took place the day before the 23rd.

    February 19, 1945, the US military of the total troop strength of about 10 million people (landing force of about 60 000 people) landed on Iwo Jima. Tadamichi Kuribayashi about 20,000 garrison led by Lieutenant General has been countered by guerrilla tactics to be hiding in underground bunkers, the volcano in the bunker that became a burning state in the geothermal, supply also received are not, while suffering in hunger and thirst The majority were killed. Still not collected about 60% of the remains is, sleeping on the island throughout.



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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:27 am

    If there is a history thread, idk where it is. Ran across a site called War History Online, which imho, has some great articles.

    I hope you enjoy..

    The Incredible Story of Joseph Beyrle, the Only American to Fight for Both the U.S. and Russian Army in WWII

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    For much of the last 70 years, someone who fought for both America and Russia might bring to mind some Cold War espionage, a double agent or a defecting citizen. But in World War II, for the only American to have fought in both the U.S. Army and that of the U.S.S.R., the story is one of diligence, endurance, luck, and a journey home.

    Joseph Beyrle was a paratrooper from Muskegon, Michigan. He was born in 1923, graduated high school in 1942, and turned down a baseball scholarship to the University of Notre Dame and instead joined the army to serve in the parachute infantry.

    story at link

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    photo of Russian Tank Commander

    This is the part of an already incredible story where one might start to wonder if we’re taking this from WWII or some Hollywood fantasy! The captured American soldier, making a desperate bid to return home meets a female captain leading tanks for the Red Army to avenge her destroyed home where her husband and entire family were killed during the German invasion.

    Beyrle waved a pack of Lucky Strike Cigarettes and called out the only Russian words he knew, “Amerikansky tovarishch!” (American comrade). Alexandra Samusenko (the same age as Beyrle, 22), the only female Russian tank commander, would soon be convinced by the American soldier she saved to let him fight by her side on their advance to Berlin—a common enemy for two young soldiers in anything but common positions.

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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:24 am

    After lying submerged for nearly 100 years, a German U-boat that legend holds was sunk by a sea monster appears to have been found off the Scottish coast.

    Engineers making preparations to lay subsea power cables came across the surprisingly intact sub while working off Scotland's far southwestern coast. The wreck has been confirmed as a UBIII-Class submarine, meaning it is either UB-85 or UB-82, two German U-boats known to have been sunk while prowling the UK coast toward the end of World War I.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/europe/201610191046518746-legendary-submarine-found-scotland/
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    Post  Airman on Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:59 am

    Remains of 19th century Russian soldier found in Turkey

    Officer probably served during Russo-Ottoman war of 1877-78

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    A skeleton thought to belong to a 19th century Russian soldier has been found by builders in northeastern Turkey, officials said Wednesday.

    The corpse is believed to belong to an army captain who was part of the forces that captured Ottoman territory in the 1877-78 Russo-Ottoman war.

    The body was in a coffin decorated with the Russian Orthodox cross in the Karagol neighborhood of Ardahan province, which fell to Russian troops in May 1877.

    “Probably [the body belongs to] a soldier who served during the Russian occupation in Kars and Ardahan after the Ottoman-Russian war in 1877-1878,” Necmettin Alp, the director of Kars Museum, told Anadolu Agency.

    The soldier’s body, still clad in the remains of a military uniform and boots, was discovered on Tuesday evening and reported to police by locals carrying out building work.

    Alp described it as the body of a “Russian captain who worked in a Russian garrison in Ardahan.”

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    He added: “There are three stars and the number 20 is written on his uniform. Probably this figure is his service number.”

    The body and coffin was taken to the Kars Museum.

    Unver Solaklioglu, an archaeologist at the museum, said: “The Russian soldier was found buried in according to the Christian religion. There are no valuable objects in the grave, only the Russian soldier’s skeleton and dress.”

    The 1877-78 war saw the Ottoman Empire lose territory to Russia in the Caucasus while other Orthodox Christian nations secured independence in the Balkans.

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    Post  George1 on Fri May 26, 2017 1:12 am

    An interesting account. Soviet military aid to Chile was turned to Peru because of upcoming coup

    New details in the history of the Soviet-Peruvian military-technical cooperation

    At the readers' request, the bmpd blog details the interesting story related to the beginning of the history of the Soviet-Peruvian military-technical cooperation, which the AST Center was able to learn during the recent SITDEF-2017 exhibition in Peru.

    In mid-July 1973, in accordance with the agreement reached earlier, the Soviet Union sent several commercial cargo ships to Chile, with weapons, in particular, T-55 and MLRS "Grad". However, in connection with the ensuing known sharp change in the political situation in this Latin American country, the route of their movement at the last moment was changed.

    There are two versions that describe the details of this story. According to one of them, known to the director of the ACT Center, two weeks before the historic events, the Cuban leadership informed the KGB of the USSR about the upcoming coup.

    Another version is given in the notes on the discussion on Soviet-Chilean relations held at the Center for Public Studies (Centro de Estudios Publicos, Santiago) in 1998. One of the participants of the event told that the Soviet intelligence service learned about the preparation of the putsch from its own sources in the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States.

    Anyway, having this information, the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU could not allow a situation in which Soviet weapons were used against the legitimate government of Chile and directly during the storming of the presidential palace, therefore, an order was given to deploy ships and send weapons to another destination. Thus, Soviet tanks and volley fire systems were in Peru. Part of the military equipment transferred in that lot is still in the arsenal of this country.

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    Post  auslander on Mon May 28, 2018 3:30 pm

    He's a Russian General, reported some time ago, don't remember exactly when.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:45 pm

    Today it was allowed to be published: in June 1982, the Navy submarine [of Israel] sank an unknown vessel opposite the coast of Lebanon, killing 25 people, including the captain. On the 10th ITV channel, a 10-minute report on the incident was shown, mainly journalists interviewing Colonel (rez.) Mike Eldar; The publication was banned by the military censor, but allowed by the High Court of Justice (High Court) after the lawyers of Channel 10 applied to it.

    The vessel probably carried refugees from Lebanon to Cyprus

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:58 am





    Battle of Poniec (08 November, 1704)






    Or the myth of that King Charles XII of Sweden was undefeated before the Battle of Poltava, or a baron defeats a king.

    The battle was fought in the southern part of the Wielkopolska region, in the western Poland, close to the border with Silesia.

    There is lots of confusing and even contradictory claims about this battle on the Internet, with the English-language Wikipedia even claiming it as a "Swedish victory."



    A detailed article about the battle by the Polish historian Marek Wagner is available here in Polish:

    https://issuu.com/tmrydzyna/docs/wagner




    Numerical strength of the Polish-Saxon army: 5 000 - 8 000 (mostly infantrymen, but also some artillerymen, cavalrymen, and dragoons), and also nine cannons. But it is claimed that only less than 3 500 participated in the battle with the rest of the troops being held in the reserve.

    Commander: Lieutenant-General Johann Matthias Baron von der Schulenburg of the Army of the Electorate of Saxony.



    Numerical strength of the Swedish army: 7 000 (entirely made up of cavalrymen and dragoons). It is claimed that only four regiments of the drabants and dragoons took part in combat, or some 4 000 troops.

    Commander: King Charles XII of Sweden.




    So it was probably less than 3 500 Poles and Saxons who defeated 4 000 Swedes.

    And those "Saxons" are actually not real Saxons, but Thuringian-Slavic imposters, or "Saxony" is Northern Serbia.  Very Happy





    Casualties:

    Polish-Saxon were between around 200 to 289 killed, some more were wounded, approximately 200 captured (all of these were apparently the wounded left behind with the baggage train during the withdrawal towards Silesia that took place the next day after the battle).

    Swedish were much heavier, or around 1 500 to 3 000 (including especially many officers killed and wounded), it was claimed after the battle that "the Saxon infantry wiped out six cornets of the Swedish drabants." The Swedes later admitted to only 180 soldiers and NCOs killed, but that appears to be a cover up of a more significant defeat.

    https://twojahistoria.pl/encyklopedia/leksykon-bitew/bitwa-pod-poncem-8-listopada-1704/


    This Polish web page gives the number of the Polish-Saxon fatalities at 500, while the Swedish killed amounted to around 1 000.

    http://www.ugr.leszczynskie.net/mapa/historia.htm



    About the Swedes covering-up their significantly heavier losses and in general downplaying the importance of the Battle of Poniec you can read here in Polish: http://www.dabrowka.powiatgostyn.pl/BITWA_POD_PONIECEM,9909.html





    Aftermath: After hearing about the presence of additional Swedish forces near Kosciany and Krobia, Lieutenant-General Johann Matthias Baron von der Schulenburg decided to withdraw his army in the direction of Silesia in order to avoid being encircled. During the withdrawal at least part of the baggage train with 200 wounded was abandoned.





    Other Polish and also combined Polish-Saxon as well as Polish-Russian-Saxon victories against the Swedes and their pro-Leszczynski Polish collaborators during the Great Northern War that took place before the Battle of Poltava:


    Battle of Pinczow (1702) https://twojahistoria.pl/encyklopedia/leksykon-bitew/bitwa-pod-pinczowem-13-wrzesnia-1702/

    Battle of Chybice (1704) https://twojahistoria.pl/encyklopedia/leksykon-bitew/bitwa-pod-chybicami-czerwiec-1704/

    Battle of Poznan (1704) https://twojahistoria.pl/encyklopedia/leksykon-bitew/bitwa-pod-poznaniem-wrzesien-1704/



    Battle of Kalisz (1706) https://twojahistoria.pl/encyklopedia/leksykon-bitew/bitwa-pod-kaliszem-29-pazdziernika-1706/

    The Swedes claim that in this battle they were "heavily outnumbered" but that is a blatant misrepresentation, since they forgot their numerous Polish collaborators they had on their side in this battle, so it was actually 32 000 Russians, Poles and Saxons against 27 000 (20 000 pro-Leszczynski Poles and 7 000 Swedes).



    Battle of Koniecpol (1708) https://twojahistoria.pl/encyklopedia/leksykon-bitew/bitwa-pod-koniecpolem-21-listopada-1708/

    This was a purely a civil war battle among Poles themselves with the Russian-allied Confederation of Sandomierz Poles defeating the Swedish-allied pro-Leszczynski Poles.



    There was also the Battle of Lesnaya fought in Belarus (at that time Grand Duchy of Litva, Samogatia, and the Rus), when 14 000 Russians defeated 16 000 Swedes mostly in hand-to-hand combat, but that was a purely Russian victory.  russia



    Also, Poles won many minor clashes and engagements against the Swedes during the Great Northern War of 1700-1721, which in Poland practically lasted only until 1709 (excluding some minor fighting against the Leszczynski's supporters which did not last long), and which the Belarussian-Lithuanian-Polish Commonwealth only formally entered in 1704.

    One of the greatest Swedish victories in the war at the Battle of Kliszow (1702) was mostly won by the Swedes due to the treasonous retreat of the Polish commander, who was in opposition to the King August II the Strong of Poland, thus forcing the exposed and  inexperienced Saxons to fight the Swedes on their own.

    Also the Swedish occupation in the Commonwealth was so horrible that it alienated many Poles so the pro-Leszczynski faction always consisted of only a minority. Of all the armies who fought on the territory of the Commonwealth - Saxons, Swedes, Russians, and all the Commonwealth factions - during the war the Swedes were regarded as the most brutal, bloodthirsty, and prone to plundering and raping, with the Germans in the Russian service being regarded as second-worst.




    Great Northern War of 1700-1721




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-SzGGnsJ94



    Looks like Ukraine was allied with Sweden.  

    What that pretty good map fails to show however, is that the Swedes were never able to really conquer Poland, not even with their pro-Leszczynski collaborators, and not even when the Electorate of Saxony was temporarily out of the war during 1706-1709. Thus their vain attempt to enthrone the anti-king Stanislaw Leszczynski, and they did not even dare to annex any lands of the Commonwealth despite their alleged "military superiority." Even after King Augustus II the Strong was ousted from the throne, the anti-Leszczynski and anti-Swedish Poles declared an interregnum and as the Confederation of Sandomierz they continued to fight alongside their Russian allies.

    In many areas this map shows as under Swedish or Swedish-allied rule there was in reality either little or no control by the Swedes and/or their pro-Leszczynski Commonwealth collaborators.


    And who said that Poles and Russians were never allies? Other examples are Poland and Russia being allied in a war against the Ottoman Empire during the late 17th century.


    I think that puts to rest some blatant falsehoods and misrepresentations from some "Internet historians."



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    Post  George1 on Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:38 pm

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    Post  kvs on Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:59 pm



    Video discussing historical revisionism including Katyn, so fits in this thread. The case of Napoleon's campaign in Russia is cited as an
    example of historical narratives based on perspective. If Russia were to adopt the French view of Napoleon's "victor"
    then it would need to engage in all sorts of contorted BS apologia and discount its own successes. So, by definition,
    the French view is not valid regardless of whether the Russian view is or not. But Russians don't sugar coat and
    whitewash this period like the French, so the Russian narrative is closer to the truth.

    Today we have the unprecedented situation where the internet can feed all sorts of rivisionist crap to the masses
    and convince them of its validity. In my opinion, this is not so hard as I see the effect in the climate science "debate".
    All sorts of paid shills spout denier BS with some technical polish that people think sounds plausible. Non-experts
    can be hoodwinked easily if the lies have the ring of truth. And lying is not some obvious thing if you have no
    context and independent information. Forged documents are a favourite revisionist tool. The guy in the video
    brings up the fake document supposedly issued by Alexander I to attack the French outside of Russia. This is
    the "Hitler had to attack the USSR to prevent the USSR attacking Germany" shtick.

    In regards to Katyn, the Soviet army took over 200,000 POWs of Polish forces which included Belorussian and
    Ukrainian conscripts (recall that Poland occupied western Belorus and Ukraine in 1920, and my Ukrainian side
    of the family comes from this region). These POWs were "filtered" to remove the Belorussians and Ukrainians
    who were sent home. The residual POWs were mostly higher ranked Polish officers and government agents.
    The NKVD investigated them for their 1920s activities and found that some of them were involved in the
    concentration camps for Soviet POWs seized by the Polish forces in 1920. Note that on the order of 60,000
    Soviet POWs seized in 1920 died in Polish concentration camps. The Poles love to claim that they died due
    to disease. But that is the usual Polish lying since typhus and other such diseases and starvation reflect maltreatment
    of the prisoners. Soviet POWs were also killed for the slightest offense. So the Polish POWs who were associated
    with the concentration camp crimes were put under criminal investigation. Around 4,000 of these POWs were
    found to be guilty and sentenced to execution. This process was not done in secret and was open for everyone to
    see. The revisionism comes in the form of the claim that the 16,000 additional POWs were executed in secret.

    The historical lie omits the fact that these 16,000 Polish POWs fell into the hands of the Germans. The Germans
    staged the whole massacre and propagandized it as a Soviet crime. If these 16,000 Poles were dead already,
    the Germans would hardly care about them since they were untermenschen just like the Soviets. I posted
    about a forensic digs that found Polish officer tags in locations that demonstrate control of the prisoners by
    Germans. But these facts are ignored or suppressed to maintain the Soviets did it narrative. The Germans
    seized the relevant territory in 1941 but waited until 1943 to start propagandizing the alleged "Soviet crime".
    This shows that they indeed could care less about any executed Poles and were only using this incident
    as a way to undermine the anti-German alliance when things started going south (i.e. the German loss
    at Stalingrad which was basically a turning point in the war on the eastern front).

    The other detail that this false Katyn narrative is burying is that between 1941 and 1943 the Nazis were busy
    murdering 100s of thousands of civilians and other untermenschen in the territory they controlled. So killing the
    16,000 Polish POWs would have been par for the course for them. There are all sorts of memorials to the
    "Soviet crime at Katyn" but none to the vast numbers of civilians. That proves historical revisionism.

    Even the Nuremburg trials documents state that the Germans were responsible for the killings at Katyn. But
    this part has been excised since then and you will not find it in the online versions of the documents. So
    we have a clear information war here.



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    Post  kvs on Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:18 pm



    Kookoo Polaks deny that a Soviet diversant helped prevent the destruction of Krakow by blowing up
    a German storehouse with explosives intended for the destruction of the city during their retreat.
    Next time kookoo Polaks will have to fend for themselves.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%8F%D0%BD,_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

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    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:28 pm

    https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/5679988.html#cutid1

    The Finns ran death camps for Russians during their occupation of Soviet Karelia when they were Nazi German allies during WWII.
    As with the Polish death camps for Soviet POWs, the USSR suppressed this history in the name of good relations.

    BTW, the Finnish claim to all of Karelia is BS. During the Kieven Rus period, Russian lands covered most of Karelia. Thanks
    to invasions by the Teutonic Knights, Russia lost a lot of land in the North-West. Thanks to the barbaric behaviour of
    these "ubermenschen" towards Soviet (Russian) civilians during WWII, their losses of territory to the USSR are fully legitimate.

    Since the Japs were the same species of Nazi butcher during WWII, their claims on the four Kurile islands should never be
    acknowledged. This is aside from the fact that war aggressors who lose the wars they start do not get to dictate the terms
    of their surrender. The USSR never promised the Japs to return any territory when they capitulated. The Japs are pulling the
    grifter scam of claiming that they surrendered to the yanquis and not to the Soviets. But the Soviets clearly won the war
    against Japan by destroying their 1 million man Kwantung army which was occupying Manchuria and kicked them out of the four
    Kurile islands which they used as military bases. The USSR did not grab anything after the Japs surrendered so the Japs
    have no legal and no moral case to get anything back.
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:44 pm




    Unit 731: 2 500 killed.


    Auschwitz-Birkenau Concentration Camp: one million killed.

    Germans also performed pseudo-medical experiments there, and also elsewhere, including on children and not only the Jewish ones.


    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/460/land-zamosc-zamojszczyzna-1942-1944



    As for the alleged Nanking Massacre the original Chinese KMT regime claim was 12 000 killed, but later it skyrocketed to "300 000" killed.

    I am not claiming that the Japanese committed no war crimes during the Second World War, but they were certainly not on the same level as the Germans.


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    Post  kvs on Fri May 08, 2020 8:31 pm



    Kookoo Polaks are throwing a tantrum after a plaque commemorating the false narrative on Katyn was removed in Russia.
    These asswipes demolish monuments to real heroes of WWII and then bitch about some fake "atrocity" attributed to the
    USSR but perpetrated by the Nazis.

    Russia does not deny that 4,000 Polish officers were arrested and tried for crimes during the 1920 Polish invasion of the USSR.
    The rest were murdered by the Nazis as a frame job against the USSR. Gorbie's "admission" of guilt based on a forged document
    is not worth used toilet paper.

    I already posted links to a research article that outlines the implications of excavations done by a Polish-Ukrainian team
    which found Polish officer number tags in territory controlled by the Nazis during the massacre. The Nazis actually
    seized the Polish POWs from the Soviets. But the fake narrative keeps on attributing control over these POWs to the USSR.

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    Post  kvs on Sat May 09, 2020 5:05 pm



    Removal of the fake history plaque from a building in Tver. The plaque was illegally erected by 5th column elements and
    claims that thousands of Polish POWs were shot by the NKVD in the basement of the building. There is no evidence at all
    for these claims and in fact there is evidence that contradicts them.

    Gorbie's acceptance of false guilt for Katyn only inspired the Polaks to be more rabid in their hate for Russia and to make
    more and more demands.

    The Polaks are indeed kookoo. They lie in bed with Ukrs who murdered over 200,000 Polish civilians in western Ukraine
    but are foaming at the mouth attributing a fake narrative to the fate of 20,000 Polish POWs.

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    Post  Hole on Sat May 09, 2020 5:54 pm

    To your last point: they are doing it because they are paid for by guys like Soros.

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