Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

Force ratios that count only troops are retarded. We don't fight with hand-to-hand weapons such that more warm bodiesequals bigger chances of winning. We use guns, so what people should be counting is the amount of firepower available.

And something tells me Russia is enjoying firepower advantages that would make the Soviet planners of Bagration green with envy.

Iran Observer
@IranObserver0
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Debunking Some Fake News:

● Turkey did not warn Iran

● Iranian troops are not heading to the borders with Armenia and Azerbaijan

● IRGC has not created Armenian paramilitary forces

● COS (Chief of Staff) Sardar Bagheri has not visited Baku

● Iran has not reached an agreement with Azerbaijan's Aliyev regime

Factual News:

● Iran has sent a military delegation to Azerbaijan

● Iran will not accept territorial changes on its borders

Iran Observer
@IranObserver0
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Sep 9
Iran's position regarding Azerbaijan-Armenia conflict:

● Nagorno-Karabakh belongs to Azerbaijan

● Iran will not agree to cutting off its borders with Armenia because that would deny it access to Russia and Eastern Europe, and will use force if anyone tries to do so.



● Iran warned Armenia against inviting third parties to the region (USA)

Sprinter
@Sprinter99800
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Azerbaijan and Armenia agreed to reopen the Lachin corridor.

The Azerbaijani government and Armenian forces in Nagorno-Karabakh have agreed to open two disputed transport routes, including a key route known as the Lachin corridor.

According to Armenian media reports, citing data from the Karabakh authorities, the parties decided to issue permission for Russian goods to enter this region through the city of Askeran, located near Azerbaijan.

Sometimes races get genocided because they cannot live with others..

The Ru forces are still at a rough numerical parity with the Ukro forces. For example during Bagration the Soviet forces had 3 to 1 numerical advantage. In Ukraine there simply isn't enough troops to attack and won't be without additional 1-2 waves of mobilization.

The initial attack by Russia secured lots of territory around Kiev and in other places too... very simply it is not about numbers, it is about mobility.

Kiev lacks armour and air power and mobility to fight a mobile conflict... even a static conflict is a struggle with moving forces around the place to defend the line or put pressure on some areas.

Russia does not lack mobility or armour or airpower.

Multiple attacks on multiple points along the front and Kievs forces would probably collapse in a lot of places... eventually that is what they might end up doing... but I also suspect they are secretly talking to people in charge of Ukrainian cities behind the front line negotiating potential responses if Russian troops arrive at their gates.

https://www.rt.com/russia/582736-deal-humanitarian-aid-nagorno-karabakh/

Deal reached to allow humanitarian aid to Nagorno-Karabakh

The agreement between Azerbaijan and its breakaway region comes amid heightened tensions and a looming humanitarian crisis

Authorities in Nagorno-Karabakh and Azerbaijan have agreed to allow humanitarian aid to flow to Baku’s predominantly Armenian-populated breakaway region along two routes, local officials and media have said.

Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh have long insisted that Azerbaijan lift a blockade on the key Lachin corridor Baku took control of three years ago, the only direct route between the two sides. Meanwhile, the deal also means that Baku can restore a direct line to its breakaway region for the first time since the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan in the early 1990s.

On Saturday, Karabakh authorities quoted by Armenpress news agency said they had decided to “allow the entry of Russian humanitarian shipments to our republic through the city of Askeran,” referring to a settlement not far from where Baku controls. They said the move sought “to mitigate the acute humanitarian problems caused by the complete blockade implemented by Azerbaijan.”

In addition, Baku and Karabakh authorities agreed to restore “humanitarian cargo transportation by Russian peacekeepers and the International Committee of the Red Cross… through the Lachin corridor,” the report added, referring to the only road link between the contested region and Armenia.

Hikmet Hajiyev, a foreign policy advisor to Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev, told Reuters that the two roads would be opened simultaneously but said that an Azerbaijani checkpoint in the Lachin corridor would remain in place.

This settlement follows phone discussions between Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan and the leaders of France, Germany, Iran, and Georgia, as well as US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, on Saturday. On the same day, the parliament of Nagorno-Karabakh elected a new president, Samvel Shahramanyan. Neither Baku nor the EU recognized the legitimacy of the election.

kvs wrote:"Armenian occupied Nagorno-Karabakh" what a loaded propaganda phrase.   I guess we had Tutsi occupied portions of Rwanda and Hutu occupied portions of Burundi.
Anyone who labels maps this way is either a retard or malicious.   The problem with colonial borders (which most of them are) is that they deny the indigenous ethnic
distribution and create genocidal wars in their wake.

The bloodshed in Ukraine is an example of BS borders and their effect.

Indeed. Soviet border drawing came in a couple of flavors, often a combination:

Overall SSR (and SFSR re Russia) mostly based on geography and history
Ethnical regions receiving distinct borders to keep them a wee bit more content, given limited autonomy etc (this includes subregions, like ASSRs within SSRs).
Practical borders changes (eg made sense from a purely practical POV to hook Crimean ASSR up with UkSSR, due to train lines, power lines and other infrastructure, helped the administrative apparatus, some of the seemingly nonsensical broken jigsaw borders in Central Asia are results of that too.
Suppression of too much ethnic nationalism, Karabakh is a bit like this, this Armenian region being made part of the AzSSR helped "dilute" Azeri majority of the republic.

Abkhazia and South Ossetia were a bit of all too.

The huge problem arose when the "main" SSR borders were made sovereign and all these other considerations immediately ignored. I'd wager it's the main cause of all post-Soviet conflicts, including in UA now. The CIS project to my knowledge was supposed to mitigate this and over time bridge things, but the west stepped in immediately and started stirring stuff up (by for some reason insisting that SSR borders are infallible, the irony is palpable, mind you that was the "evil empire" a decade earlier). Only reason for that was that they knew the trouble it would cause and what a headache it would be for Russia.

Bit disjointed post, will clean it up later.

kvs wrote:"Armenian occupied Nagorno-Karabakh" what a loaded propaganda phrase.   I guess we had Tutsi occupied portions of Rwanda and Hutu occupied portions of Burundi.
Anyone who labels maps this way is either a retard or malicious.   The problem with colonial borders (which most of them are) is that they deny the indigenous ethnic
distribution and create genocidal wars in their wake.

The bloodshed in Ukraine is an example of BS borders and their effect.

Lol Russian have said that land belongs to Azeri in their eyes, Armenia didn't even deploy its forces to fight for it.

Your boot lickers are hilarious. Actually I cannot call you a boot licker here because The Russians say you are wrong and ARMENIA never EVER EVER OFFCIALLY CLAIMED THE LAND WAS PART OF ARMENIA.

If you support land going back "historical" claims, well Russia owes a few countries a piece of its territory.

Fact is different people have owned lands at different points of history,

The Iranians have a large Azeri population , and the name of this damned place is " Black Forest ,  " in Turkish and Persian root words . But population is Armenian . One way to satisfy all sides is by territorial swap or exchange . By swapping NK for Nakichevan . This gives Azeris and Turks a bone to chew on , and also stops Armenians from yelping about their lost territory . Making both R.Azer and Armenia , have contiguous land mass , and more easily defended . Also a more secure route for North- South trade through Armenia to Russia and Iran . Should Baku play silly hugger games ! QED .

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Lol Russian have said that land belongs to Azeri in their eyes, Armenia didn't even deploy its forces to fight for it.

Your boot lickers are hilarious. Actually I cannot call you a boot licker here because The Russians say you are wrong and ARMENIA never EVER EVER OFFCIALLY CLAIMED THE LAND WAS PART OF ARMENIA.

If you support land going back "historical" claims, well Russia owes a few countries a piece of its territory.

Fact is different people have owned lands at different points of history,

Okay, Russian have said that land belongs to Azeri, and so ?

Russia can have her own opinions, Armenian politicians can be as coward as they are. But the members of this forum are adult people with independent mind, most of the times they take the side of Russia but that does not mean they have obligation to agree with all the opinions of Russia or they are not allowed to have their own ideas.

I support struggle of Artsakh people against Azeri offensives, and I sincerely apologize to any Azeri members of the forum about my opinion but it is not like I will change it.

Got a problem with that ?

It is the hypocrisy I am pointing out, To argue they have any right to that land due that some old historical claim which is subjective because other people where they before thek is moronic.

If you wish to apply that standard, Russia must give Sevas back to China, must give the kirls back the Japan and must surrender Kalin to Germany, Crimea to Greece or Turkey etc, list goes on

Plus a few other parts of its territory would become forfeit.

So let me ask you? Do you support Russia doing these things?. Understand the historical claim argument works both ways not one way. You cannot claim "Well this land belonges to my guys historical, so it's our land"

Then go "I don't support x giving land back to z for the same exact reason I demanded we get this land"

It's not even like Azeri gave the land to them and decided it wanted it back, The leaders of the SU forced that choice onto them.

They never agreed with it, so sorry it's Azeri land

SeigSoloyvov wrote:It is the hypocrisy I am pointing out, To argue they have any right to that land due that some old historical claim which is subjective because other people where they before thek is moronic.

If you wish to apply that standard, Russia must give Sevas back to China, must give the kirls back the Japan and must surrender Kalin to Germany.

Plus a few other parts of its territory would become forfeit.

So let me ask you? Do you support Russia doing these things?. Understand the historical claim argument works both ways not one way.

It's not even like Azeri gave the land to them and decided it wanted it back, The leaders of the SU forced that choice onto them.

They never agreed with it, so sorry it's Azeri land.

Then why don't Azeri approve the Artsakh independence from them when the USSR is no more to enforce any choice onto them and it is clear that Artsakh does not consider them as Azeri ?

Soviet enforcement cannot be used to whitewash the responsibility of Azeri ruling class of enforcing their rule against the will of Artsakh people.

It is not about some sort of old historical claim but tt is that Artsakh don't want to be a part of Azerbaijan.

Back then Nakhchivan also made it clear that it is not a part of Armenia by a referendum and the process went smoothly. Therefore, Artsakh people have every rights to raise the question why their wish meet with such brutality.

@Sprinter99800
Armenian sources: Iran continues to transfer a huge amount of heavy armored vehicles, artillery, air defense systems to the northwest of the country (Sionik border).
https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1702748736261161001

@IranObserver0
If Azerbaijan wants to carry out a military operation, Iran is able to counter that military operation within 24 hours with 10 times the firepower.
Therefore, the Aliyev regime should not kill Azerbaijani soldiers needlessly — Iran's Parliamentary National Security Commission Member
https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1702738413051412867

Debates amongst Vietnamese netizens (all are 100% pro-Russia) about whether Armenia is a traitor or not.

I thought that Pashinyan gained power is because of an internal struggle between big corporations and small enterprises in Armenia ?      

It is said that Pashinyan managed to attract the favour of small and middle size businessmen who are upset with the monopoly of big oligarchs associated with Serzh Sargsyan, let to the colour revolution back then.