Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

Disagree .Russia , Iran , and China are not doing enough to protect their own land routes , to Europe and each other , that pass through the Caspian and the Caucasus . A land route through the Caucasus to the Black Sea and beyond , will be vital for China and Iran . And for Russia / Iran a land route will be vital too . This means the territorial integrity of Armenian populated areas , that act as a counter- weight to a NATO / American / Turkish expansion , must be protected .

I suggested having a development plan for the region . Or as the R. Azeris  say " a plan of integration . " This should allow for equal access for transportation , across the region , and a non- build-up of armies and foreign forces , and investment in border regions to facilitate a homogeneous population , over time . But why then to disarm the people in NK region ? If all they had was defensive small arms ? And they carried no war into R. Azer region ? If all these arms did , was to make ethnic cleansing difficult and costly ?

Unless the Turks plan ethnic cleansing , and disturbing the territorial integrity of Armenian lands ? So we have to wait on the powerless Armenian population , that can not defend themselves ? Or their sell-out leaders , to take action ? Before we do something ? Well it will be too late by then . Americans have for decades been giving ethnic Armenians easy residence in the USA , ethnic cleansing by immigration means ! And now Russia " helps ? " civilians out of NK too ? Ethnic cleansing by emigration means ?

Dont think Russia should be feared machiavellian style. Putin is not an Ivan or Stalin. This war has taught me the opposite of what our msm says. Putin's regime has been showing extreme restraint. Also I find cynics and doomers who think they can so better to be tiresome. Also they certainly do not help morale. I have been to forums and seen how poisonous it is. I have also witnessed the fabled Russian liberal, who hates anything Putin does or hates even anything current day Russia does. Both doomers and liberals frequently shit on Russian military kit to the po9nt that they think stuff like the Su-57 is inferior and the program should be canceled even now! Astonishing ignorance and even naivete. With some there is also malevolence. But I also sense an overwhelming inferiority complex. It is amazing to behold. Us Americans do not have this. In fact the opposite. Either an ignorant and deluded kind of superiority that is held not knowing our position.

I have a pretty objective view on things. Not trying to be arrogant or anything. Putin's regime is playing a very long game. We are in a very, very risky place. All of us. Thr whole world. I think Putin's regime is well aware. I think it would be wise for Russians to keep frosty, keep their wits about, and hang their hat on Putin's plans. There is no stable alternative anyways at the moment and frankly Putin is probably up there in the top ten greatest leaders in a century. A rare bird.

I'm not saying to idolize the guy. There are some things in his past that disturb me. That said if I was Russian I would look to the past and present and ask myself if Putin has utterly failed. I think one of his greatest blunders was miscalculation of western resolve, though lately I think he had little choice as he is well aware that the current neocon/neolib cliques are scared of losing power and as a result are extremely dangerous, like a cornered animal. Putin's regime of course would know this. Also Putin felt he had to try and reach a bloodless solution even at great risk and cost. After the initial pell mell mess ups and loss of men and equipment the military reshaped itself in reply and have been doing good so far. With all this ultimately I would keep a skeptical, watchful eye on Putin's regime but I would for now trust it. Again that is if I were a Russian.

If Russia were to have a regime change right now I'd say with 94 percent probability it would be disastrous  Fhe west wants the destabilization of regime change and want ANYPNE other than Putin. Also with these geopolitical games in the Caucasus you got turks and jews and what Russians call the Anglo elite working to control the environment. We have damned white papers from multiple RAND tier think tanks discussing it in detail. Thr turks and jews are an extension of American and Bong foreign policy, though they obviously have ulterior motives and the west knows it. I dont know what is wise to do in this situation. It is veeeery tricky. I'd say Russia is right in waiting and seeing what will go on and Russia should act accordingly along with China.

Sorry for my long diatribe. What do you guys think and feel with all this?

Edit:added a sentence

TMA1 wrote:What do you guys think and feel with all this?

Aside from the fact is one likes VVP or not, there is one thing that is undeniable.
He will be remembered by the history of being paired with Peter the Great and Catherine the Great.
We can already start to call him Vladimir the Great, it will be easier
People have a weak memory and tend to forget the things just a few years behind.
Plus there are new generations born who can't remember the past.
When Putin appeared on the stage back in 1999, Russia was on its knees. The country was on the edge of secessionism. Very close to Brzezinsky strategy of dividing it. Balkanization of Russia was just around the corner, financed and pushed by the very same money.
Now Russia is world's fifth economy, and this thing is hilarious too, as the other three out of four are de facto bankrupted.
Oh yeah, I know that self-proclaimed political strategists, economy Nobel price non-winners just because of the world conspiracy against them, and field marshalls second to Alexander the Great only would have done everything much, much better.
And faster.
And more.
It is easy when one has a full stomach. Easy to forget how the pensioners in Yeltsin Russia were dying of hunger.

This base represented a perfectly zero value and could be cut off at any single moment.
What are we to whine about now, what is trendy? Don't want to fall behind the X trends, you know....

GarryB wrote:
America is feared because they are selfish bastards who care for no one and nothing except themselves, and they will hang you out to dry if that suits them.

To get a clue of how Russia is heated, it is enough to take a look at the map of Africa.
Yeah, I know, reading the maps can be challenging to some, yet to find Africa!
But I do have faith in people, so can't exclude the possibility that our doom&groom&whine team can rise high, and find it. Somehow, as a collective struggle or something.
So, as we have the hard part resolved, have a map, and found Africa on it - it will be easy now!
Make a red flag on every country there, that was more or less friendly to USSR on the peak of its might, let's say we talk 1980.
Done?
My men!
Now, take a green flag, and stick it on every country more or less friendly to Russia, let's say in 2021.
Done?
Oh, my hero!
And now, what do we see there?
Oh ... oh ... oh oh oh ... weeeell ... Hmm hmm hmm...
YES!
The number of flags is different!
And how is that?
 

Drama queens will be drama queens.
Only this time, Azeris will make them the real queens.
With no crown left, whatsoever.
And Russkie will be able to do business as usual, finally.

At this point I am not certain about what parts of Ukraine will be Russia, but Armenia will be an excuse to bring nuclear weapons closer to Russia. Azerbaijan is mini-turkey and its a shock they have not joined NATO yet. Is it just better for them to annex Armenia?

According to Twitter post:

Ethnic Armenians have started to leave the capital of Nagorno-Karabakh Stepanakert en masse, a witness tells Reuters.

It is expected that most of, if not all, the ethnic armenians will leave the region