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    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:06 am

    Long term, the US probably has plans to topple Aliev and Erdogan.

    US has plans to topple everyone including itself, but their incompetence has led to Russia and China really getting a chance to get out from under their boot and for other countries to follow.

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    Post  George1 Fri Sep 29, 2023 1:30 pm

    Crime...

    https://tass.com/world/1682059

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    Post  franco Tue Oct 03, 2023 1:31 pm

    Yerevan. October 3. INTERFAX - The number of residents of Nagorno-Karabakh who entered the territory of Armenia has increased by almost 100 people, press secretary of the Prime Minister of Armenia Nazeli Baghdasaryan said.
    According to the latest data, 100 thousand 617 forcibly displaced persons entered Armenia from Nagorno-Karabakh,” Baghdasaryan said at a briefing on Tuesday.
    As of Monday evening, the number of residents of Nagorno-Karabakh who entered Armenia was 100 thousand 520 people.
    According to official data, about 120 thousand Armenians lived in Nagorno-Karabakh.
    On October 2, Baghdasaryan reported that the main flow of residents of Nagorno-Karabakh to Armenia had stopped and that mainly officials remained there.
    There is no specific information about the Armenians remaining in Karabakh.
    On September 19-20, 2023, Azerbaijan conducted a military operation in the unrecognized Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh. During the hostilities, approximately 200 people were killed on each side, and several hundred more were injured.
    On September 24, the exodus of the Armenian population to the territory of Armenia began from Karabakh.
    The Armenian side promised that every displaced person, regardless of age, would receive one-time assistance in the amount of 100 thousand drams ($254), and another 50 thousand drams ($127) would also be paid to each displaced person, regardless of age, for housing rent and utility payments. The government of Armenia provides housing for citizens who do not have a predetermined place of residence.
    On September 28, NKR President Samvel Shahramanyan signed a decree on the termination of the existence of the Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh (Artsakh) and on the dissolution of all government institutions. The population was invited to familiarize itself with the conditions of reintegration presented by Azerbaijan in order to make a further decision on the possibility of staying in Nagorno-Karabakh.
    On October 1, employees of the State Migration Service and the Ministry of Labor and Social Protection of the Population of Azerbaijan began working in Karabakh in order to reintegrate the Armenian residents living in Karabakh into Azerbaijani society. They are busy receiving applications for pre-registration of Armenian residents of Karabakh.
    On October 2, the Azerbaijani presidential administration published the main directions of the plan for the reintegration of Armenian residents of the Karabakh region of the country.

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    Post  sepheronx Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:41 pm

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    🇦🇲🇦🇿🇷🇺 Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan today, at a meeting with the EU, Germany and France, signed a declaration in which he recognized Azerbaijan’s right to 86.6 thousand square meters. km, which includes Nagorno-Karabakh and part of Armenian territory.

    Back in May, we talked about Pashinyan’s plans to give back the villages of Baganis-Ayrum , Nerkin Voskepar , Verin Voskepar , Barkhudarly , Sofulu and Tigranashen , occupied by Armenians and assimilated after the First Karabakh War.

    Of course, all the Prime Minister’s previous arguments about the need to exchange villages for historical Armenian lands are no longer relevant - the Armenian authorities are in a hurry to implement a plan to squeeze Russia out of Transcaucasia.

    🔻 Today’s agreement is important because the road to Georgia through Ijevan passes through the villages in the Tavush region. And the important transport artery M2 passes through Tigranashen. The highway is used as a logistics route connecting not only the north and south of Armenia in the Syunik region, but also Russia and Iran .

    Along with the implementation of the Zangezur corridor project and the cutting off of Russia in the south, which de facto also involves the loss of Armenian territories, Western countries, which fully control the Armenian leadership, are taking control of other alternative routes. It would be reckless to think that they will stop there.

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    Post  mnztr Thu Nov 02, 2023 11:57 pm

    I am really quite surprised the refugees from NK have not armed them selvess and killed the Armenian president. He cost them everything they had, everything. And he got absolutely NOTHING in return. Once he ceded soverignty, Russia had no right to intervene.

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:18 am

    mnztr wrote:I am really quite surprised the refugees from NK have not armed them selvess and killed the Armenian president. He cost them everything they had, everything. And he got absolutely NOTHING in return. Once he ceded soverignty, Russia had no right to intervene.

    Armenians are useless.

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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 03, 2023 1:08 am

    They are like all the other limitrophes. Too busy hating on Russia due to an inadequacy complex to react to the ass reaming they are getting from NATzO.
    The way the limitrophes behave you would think they were all slaves in the USSR. In reality, they typically lived better than average Russians.

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Nov 03, 2023 5:53 am

    It was damn obvious that Pashinyan wanted to leave the Armenians in Karabakh to the wolves so they can claim "no territory disputes" so they can get into NATO and EU. Except turkey won't let them in NATO and both Iran and Azerbaijan won't want them in so they will make Armenias life difficult.

    Armenians blame Russia for their problems. I'm actually curious what makes it russias fault?

    Was Russia supposed to overthrow Pashinyan?

    Was Russia supposed to ignore Armenias position on Karabakh and protect the region even those Armenians who blame Russia don't raise a finger to go after their own leadership?

    Was Russia supposed to just declare war on Azerbaijan even though Armenia didn't do it?

    There is more but seriously, Armenians really test the mental intellect of others with their nonsense especially since they are the ones who elected the leader who is fucjing it all up for them.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri Nov 03, 2023 10:34 am

    sepheronx wrote:It was damn obvious that Pashinyan wanted to leave the Armenians in Karabakh to the wolves so they can claim "no territory disputes" so they can get into NATO and EU. Except turkey won't let them in NATO and both Iran and Azerbaijan won't want them in so they will make Armenias life difficult.

    Armenians blame Russia for their problems. I'm actually curious what makes it russias fault?

    Was Russia supposed to overthrow Pashinyan?

    Was Russia supposed to ignore Armenias position on Karabakh and protect the region even those Armenians who blame Russia don't raise a finger to go after their own leadership?

    Was Russia supposed to just declare war on Azerbaijan even though Armenia didn't do it?

    There is more but seriously, Armenians really test the mental intellect of others with their nonsense especially since they are the ones who elected the leader who is fucjing it all up for them.

    Possibly when they f*** up things more (especially if turkey in the future will go belly up) Armenia and Azerbaijan territories could be split between Russia and Iran (like Nachivichan to Iran, eastern Azerbaijan (next to the Caspian sea to Russia) and the rest to be decided later (with navgorno karabach as a sort of Armenian protectorate inside Russia independent from the rest of Armenia).

    At the moment Russia does not have any reason or justification to intervene in the region, but if things change it would not be a bad outcome to have Baku back into russian control and a direct land connection to Iran without having some pro Turkish or proamerican countries in the middle between them.

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    Post  Hole Fri Nov 03, 2023 1:15 pm

    Armenians really test the mental intellect
    Problem for the Armenians inside Armenia is the right to take part in elections for all those
    "Armenians" living in the US and France. They are the electorate of Pashynian.

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    Post  Firebird Fri Nov 03, 2023 1:20 pm

    There are articles floating around the web concerning the Caspian Sea corridor.
    The usual vermin in America are behind it. But with partners in Kazakstan, Armenia AND Azerbaijan.

    Almost ironic. "Bitter enemies" Arm and Azerb are joining together as American's bitches to try and **** over Russia.

    Basically allowing China and other Eurasian places to send stuff to Europe without going via Russia.
    Russia needs to stop this shit and stop it now.

    Russia seems to be useless at countering American coups.
    Its easier to have a counter coup or stop a coup than have to fight a major war 5, 10 yrs down the line.
    I cannot understand Russia's tactics here.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:38 am

    Pashinyan and Aliev "agreed to continue peace negotiations"...

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    A picture tells a thousand words Razz Razz Razz Razz

    Aliev is grinning like a cheshire cat, while Pashinyan is unhappy with the size of the pineapple he has been told to shove up his rear. Scholz has no fcking idea what is going on, he is just happy to have a moment of relevency and to forget about the economic meltdown at home and collapse of his Ukraine project.

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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:59 am

    Russia is "useless" at countering NATzO instigated coups because it cannot leverage the delusion of the limitrophe statelet populations.
    The magic that the US and its minions have is that losers around the world think that they will live the easy life if they crawl up their
    ass. Ukraine is a prime example of this mass formation retardation.

    Russia does not need Chinese goods transit. Let them build bypass corridors.

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    Post  Hole Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:54 pm

    Russia could point to the South. Look what happened to the Africans and South-Americans.
    But the people wouldn´t believe it. This time the west will treat us differently!  Rolling Eyes

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:19 am

    It is not for Russia to do what the west is doing... what the west is doing is morally wrong and when the west collapses hopefully it will be codefied into international law that such things should be illegal.

    From what I can tell it seems Armenia has been infected by the west... America and HATO and the EU are all powerful and Russia never really helped you when you needed it so it is all Russias fault. Ignoring the fact that when Armenia needed help it was often America and HATO and the EU that were pushing Armenias enemys to attack and damage Armenia, but lets not let facts get in the way of a good moan about Russia.

    If Russia started to do what the US and the west does then why would the rest of the world choose Russia over the west... it would be just more of the same shit.

    Russia could point to the South. Look what happened to the Africans and South-Americans.
    But the people wouldn´t believe it. This time the west will treat us differently!

    The story of the world is written in Hollywood and it is basically an American story. If Ukraine or Georgia or Iraq or Iran or North Korea or Syria or Russia are in it the story is not about them... they are the story set up to punish or capture or in some way damage the hero to establish the hero American as being the good guy.

    It is all about the path of the American hero and it is important for the bit players to realise not only are they expendable, but sometimes to get the story arc they way they have to die for the American people to mobilise behind the American hero and cross political parties for full support.

    If you are Navalny you might get a mention, but odds are that it is more likely he died from a combination of his western vaccinations and his drug and alcohol habits... but he was also a useful distraction at a time when the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East are not going that well.

    The coalition of the meat shield got a lot less bodies than they were hoping... their atrophying navy would probably have liked to step back and let others take the heat on this...

    You can blame voters living in the west, but at the end of the day Armenians are themselves responsible for who they elect and who gets elected, and if there is foul play, well it is Armenias job to sort that shit out too.

    By not standing with their fellow people it is Armenians that have failed, not Russia... you didn't give them a leg to stand on.

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    Post  nomadski Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:34 am

    The best policy to adopt for little statelets in geographical choke points , is adherence to national borders , a regional economic development plan , a geopolitically non-hostile stance , arms limitations . I must add that given the realities on the ground in the world today ,  that such arrangements are difficult and need compromise and cooperation on many levels between sides . If they do come about , it will be temporary . I can say the same about the more prevalent reality , one of ethnic and proxy conflict , economic war etc . These situations are also temporary . One is a high wire act , the other is a Car crash derby . For Iran and Russia , it only matters , if NATO directly or Turkey station naval forces in the Caspian , strong enough to impose a blockade . A highly  unlikely event to occur or be successful . Not an immediate problem , but must be ready to rescue Armenia , once it has drunk enough Euro Kool-aid !


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    Post  mnztr Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:41 pm

    George1 wrote:Crime...

    https://tass.com/world/1682059

    I am surprised they did not cause any trouble after they got screwed by their leader.
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    Post  mnztr Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:13 pm

    Fact is, unless Russia can create problems for the USA and Western Europe, they are gonna keep sending Ukraines at Russia. Isn't there a NK nationalist group Russia can engage to coup this MOFO?
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    Post  lancelot Sun Feb 25, 2024 6:48 pm

    Why bother? Is there any worth in desperately trying to keep Armenia in Russia's orbit anyway?
    If for whatever reason access of Turkey to the Caspian needs to be cut it is much easier to coordinate an invasion of Azerbaijan with Iran than trying to retain Armenia. This would then solve multiple issues in one full swoop. A direct land link with Iran would be established. Europe's access to Turkmen gas would be cut forever. Europe and Turkey's access to Azeri gas and oil would be cut. Etc. A lot of positives really.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:55 am

    Fact is, unless Russia can create problems for the USA and Western Europe, they are gonna keep sending Ukraines at Russia.

    All the western moves to counter and contain Russia have backfired spectacularly, and we can probably assume they will continue but also shift focus to China which is an economic monster that threatens them even more than Russia ever did... I think their have been lots of attempts by the US to say the Ukraine and Belarus is Europe and the UKs problem and that they want to shift focus to China, well the middle east has now been added to the mix so the US is juggling Europe and the Middle East while it is supposed to be focusing on China and Taiwan... what are the chances they will screw up there too and end up breaking the west and making the rest of the world look to BRICS for real solutions?

    The west is not just making mistakes, they are destroying themselves and becoming desperate... and when they steal Russian property Russia can pounce, because there are so many western threads that still draw money from the Russian economy that could be cut and closed off to help Russia and Russians instead of the richest n the west who will never share with their own let alone the countries and people they make their money from.
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    Post  mnztr Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:53 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Fact is, unless Russia can create problems for the USA and Western Europe, they are gonna keep sending Ukraines at Russia.

    All the western moves to counter and contain Russia have backfired spectacularly, and we can probably assume they will continue but also shift focus to China which is an economic monster that threatens them even more than Russia ever did... I think their have been lots of attempts by the US to say the Ukraine and Belarus is Europe and the UKs problem and that they want to shift focus to China, well the middle east has now been added to the mix so the US is juggling Europe and the Middle East while it is supposed to be focusing on China and Taiwan... what are the chances they will screw up there too and end up breaking the west and making the rest of the world look to BRICS for real solutions?

    The west is not just making mistakes, they are destroying themselves and becoming desperate... and when they steal Russian property Russia can pounce, because there are so many western threads that still draw money from the Russian economy that could be cut and closed off to help Russia and Russians instead of the richest n the west who will never share with their own let alone the countries and people they make their money from.

    They have failed, but its taken a high toll on Russia to counter them. Meanwhile the US stills blissfully across the pond, funding mayhem with printed toilet paper. Americans are unaware, or don't care what their evil govt is doing as they don't pay a price for it. The Euros are starting to pay, and look at them suddenly start to get interested.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:56 pm


    They have failed, but its taken a high toll on Russia to counter them. Meanwhile the US stills blissfully across the pond, funding mayhem with printed toilet paper. Americans are unaware, or don't care what their evil govt is doing as they don't pay a price for it. The Euros are starting to pay, and look at them suddenly start to get interested.

    The toll the Russians are paying is in blood, but the toll the west is going to pay is going to be economic.

    Russia is better off without the west in its current form... the whole world is better off without the west in its current form, which is toxic.

    I can't see the west actually changing any time soon because they don't understand they are broken and are making all sorts of excuses.

    The Russian economy is broken and it is just military production that is making it appear they are OK, when in fact the entire basis of the west is broken, morally and ethically.

    The more the west is unaware the faster they will be running when they get to the cliff... and Russia is not going to save them and nor is China or most other countries of the rest of the world... you made your bed.

    Isn't there a quote of something along the lines of all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

    Well good men in the west have done nothing for 30 years now while the evil amongst the west have used that exact same quote to justify interventions on the side of evil to make things worse while pretending to be the good guys.

    Russia does not need to actively destroy the west, but they don't need to help either. It wont be appreciated.

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