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    Post  GarryB Mon Apr 24, 2023 3:38 am

    Why does India need to sell MBRL to Ukraine when they already have access to an unlimited supply of HIMARS and ATACMS missile.

    This hasn't aged well.

    Because 250 million buys you a lot of Russian rockets and shells, but buys about 30 American rockets or shells... if you can get any that is...

    Funny the US going apeshit over the idea that China or India or North Korea might supply Russian with weapons or ammo, yet it scours the globe looking for countries to sell them Soviet arms and ammo that they can pass on to Kiev.


    Baku is accumulating heavy military equipment near the Lachin corridor.(between Armenia and Nagorno Karabakh)

    It says heavy but shows old BTRs in the photo...

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    Post  Firebird Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:03 am

    If Russia has a choice between the 2, then I think its time they gave the kebab shop twats in Baku a good hiding.
    And Terdogan really doesn't understand the meaning of the phrase "knowing his place".
    Esp given that under the Americans and without Russia's help he would have been well and truly dead after the coup attempt.
    Terdogan is an ungrateful little snake.

    The Armenian Republic of the Russian Federation would make perfect sense to solve all this.
    And perhaps Azerbaijan can be "de Communised" if it doesn't get the message.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:36 pm

    Give Azerbaijan an ultimatum stop this nonsense both sides agree to resolve the entire issue once and for all, or the other option as u mentioned Armenia becomes a Republic of Russian Federation. Because what is apparent is any open long standing issues around the globe the USA likes to meddle, by having these issues remain unresolved gives USA options if one project fails it just moves on to the next, USA won't stop.

    I suspect after the Ukrainian war is done and dusted and the obvious victory for Russia ex Soviet countries may well stop any progress/close relations towards western countries. I always had this feeling some ex Soviet countries would be testing the water towards western countries as it saw Russia as a bit soft or not serious enough to take action. Uzbekistan tried and it failed, Kazakhstan clearly is trying but completely forgot that Putin saved his skin not so long ago. But after the Ukrainian war I seriously think they will have second thoughts about any western relations that could be seen as unfavorable moves by Russia.

    I think it's time Russia made a proper security alliance with ex Soviet countries with a simple yes or no your in or your out no sitting on the fence, and if your in you put an effort into it, if your out then face the consequences. And I think the same should happen on an economic alliance. Just my 10 pence worth lol

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    Post  Firebird Tue Apr 25, 2023 1:34 pm

    I may be wrong but I think Armenia's problems started when it had a pro American leader, evidently due to being payrolled.

    Strange given that Armenia was a key member of the Eurasian Union and the CSTO military alliance.
    Russia's solution in the Ukraine is to just let freed regions join Russia for the first time in over 100 years.


    The problem is that if countries are too "free" ie open to corruption by the US, they will end up in a Ukraine or Armenia situation.
    So the prevention is either join Russia OR have a strongman as leader OR have an enhanced Eurasian Union akin to the EU.

    I'm not sure which ones Russia and the rest of the CIS will choose for some places.
    Altho I think as much of the Ukraine as possible, plus Belarus definitely should rejoin Russia.
    Perhaps Kazakstan (or the Northern part of it) would be the next most important part.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:58 am

    Although Putin openly admitted that the fall of the Soviet Union was a tragedy I still don't believe that he wants to re-create the Soviet Union. I think he's happy if ex Soviet countries remain economic trading partners and cooperate on security concerns such as terrorism and intelligence sharing, and obviously don't get to friendly with western nations if all these are met then those ex Soviet countries can quite happily enjoy independence and do what they please. However if they don't and start allowing western governments influence, meddling, allowing bio labs, and talks about joining NATO then I think that puts Putin/Russia in a very awkward position and leaves them really no choice but to intervene and take drastic measures before the wests project gets to completion, Because once completed there is no going back. And Putin/Russia needs to protect itself and part of that unfortunately is creating a buffer and friendly nations on its borders. Like people on here and various experts around the globe have said there is no way the USA/UK would allow Russia to have hostile nations on their borders.

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:22 pm

    Armenians are apparently showing their true colors after Rybar pointed out Pashinyans actions are anti Russian and anti Armenian.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:29 pm

    Suprised by an inch? Laughing
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:34 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Suprised by an inch? Laughing

    No. Armenians on here like to make excuses foe their shit leader all the time so no, not surprised at all

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    Post  Broski Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:35 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Armenians are apparently showing their true colors after Rybar pointed out Pashinyans actions are anti Russian and anti Armenian.
    They don't seem to understand that the only force keeping Azerbaijan and Turkey from annexing the entire country and turning them into a Turkish province is Russia (and Iran to a lesser degree) but there's nobody they disrespect and blame their problems on more than Russia. Personally, I'd be glad for EU/US stooge Pashiyan to kick Russian forces out the country so Turkey can finish what it started over a century ago, useless people.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:49 am

    Sometimes the best way to punish a child is to give them exactly what they want, but it is cruel for entire countries.

    When I started posting on this forum several Russian members were convinced that Europe was Russias future and that China was dangerous and could not be trusted...
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 28, 2023 1:51 pm

    Azerbaijan is not going to stop until they have ever square centimeter of Nagorno-Karabakh under their control. Just how it is. And after they accomplish that, they might start eyeing Armenia's own territories such as the Zangizur region that divides Azerbaijan from Turkey.

    And the Russian peacekeeper mandate ends in 2025. The Armenian leadership is already looking towards the Europeans/NATO to replace them and Pashinyan has only manipulated the situation to serve that goal.

    Russia's policies in the region now as over the last 20 years are mercenary and short-sighted and IMO doomed to fail.
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    Post  mnztr Wed Aug 30, 2023 11:11 pm

    Reports of food shortages in Nagorno Karabakh. Has Putin decided to hell with Armenia?
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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 31, 2023 4:39 am

    It is not Russias job to save everyone, especially those that choose not to be saved.

    I remember watching a video a long time ago of a woman who was drowning... well she was essentially drowned and this guy pulled her out of the water and did CPR for a minute or two and saved her life... she was not breathing and completely unconscious... and when interviewed she was upset because he did not ask permission to give her mouth to mouth.

    Sometimes people and countries are not grateful for your help...

    More recently there was a case where a man was punching a pregnant woman and a guy intervened and the guy shot him. When the police arrived the woman said the man that came to help her and was shot attacked her and the man who punched her and shot the guy shot him in self defence. The puncher and shooter was the womans boyfriend. Fortunately eye witnesses at the scene put the police right...

    The real lesson is that sometimes the people you save or try to save are just not worth the risk... women will complain if a man opens the door for them, saying they can get it themselves and are not weak and useless... but if someone steals her purse they look at you and want to know what you are going to do about it... they all just watched...

    Careful what you wish for.

    Of course it is important to separate countries from people... just because Kiev is run by nazis from the US and EU does not mean the people of the country should all be brutally murdered, yet it is ironically HATO training and tactics that is getting them murdered because the Russians are not idiots and know how to use mines and air power and artillery and defensive lines to wear down enemy forces.

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    Post  sepheronx Thu Aug 31, 2023 5:21 am

    Maybe Russia should host an open vote, and ask the people if: do they want Russia to stay and protect the land or leave?

    Do in both Armenia and in Karabakh. If they vote to leave, Russia should leave. And just reinforce their borders to the south and upgrade around allied states. Let Armenia and Armenians face the consequences and they can't blame Russia because they voted them to leave.

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    Post  Begome Thu Aug 31, 2023 11:29 am

    sepheronx wrote:Maybe Russia should host an open vote, and ask the people if: do they want Russia to stay and protect the land or leave?

    Do in both Armenia and in Karabakh. If they vote to leave, Russia should leave. And just reinforce their borders to the south and upgrade around allied states.  Let Armenia and Armenians face the consequences and they can't blame Russia because they voted them to leave.

    Except the people in Nagorno-Karabakh will likely vote "stay", while the majority in Armenia will likely vote "go", which would put Russia in an even worse position, having to support a garrison that would have even less assets, space to maneuver and possibility of support than is already the case now.
    So I vote for there being no vote Smile
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    Post  mnztr Fri Sep 01, 2023 3:28 am

    sepheronx wrote:Maybe Russia should host an open vote, and ask the people if: do they want Russia to stay and protect the land or leave?

    Do in both Armenia and in Karabakh. If they vote to leave, Russia should leave. And just reinforce their borders to the south and upgrade around allied states.  Let Armenia and Armenians face the consequences and they can't blame Russia because they voted them to leave.

    Its up to Russia to save them or NATO will.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 01, 2023 10:29 am

    Except the US will save them the way they have saved Georgia and Ukraine... notice a pattern?

    The disputed territory in both cases remains under Russian control with the US allies butthurt and pissy but no better off than when they didn't have US support.

    In fact they are now worse off because before the US got involved at least they had trade with Russia which allowed them a life not slaving for monsanto or the other western companies that now own their land.

    Russia needs to make things plain to Armenia that they are there because they think that Armenia and the people of Armenia and NK want them there, but if the people think otherwise... whether they are justified or just bullshitted by Soros or the Clinton foundation or the Jamestown institute of the criminally insane, then that is OK too.

    Russia is not a country that will invade countries on a whim to steal territory or resources, but they will come in to places that kill their own people so the west can steal resources.

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    Post  mnztr Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:05 am

    GarryB wrote:Except the US will save them the way they have saved Georgia and Ukraine... notice a pattern?

    The disputed territory in both cases remains under Russian control with the US allies butthurt and pissy but no better off than when they didn't have US support.

    In fact they are now worse off because before the US got involved at least they had trade with Russia which allowed them a life not slaving for monsanto or the other western companies that now own their land.

    Russia needs to make things plain to Armenia that they are there because they think that Armenia and the people of Armenia and NK want them there, but if the people think otherwise... whether they are justified or just bullshitted by Soros or the Clinton foundation or the Jamestown institute of the criminally insane, then that is OK too.

    Russia is not a country that will invade countries on a whim to steal territory or resources, but they will come in to places that kill their own people so the west can steal resources.

    Nah, I think the US can lean on the Azeris quite well. Ukraine and Georgia were dumb enough to **** with Russia.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:52 am

    Well give them credit... tie eater believed Americas bullshit... that comes from getting a US education... the current Georgian leaders are improving relations with Russia and not rocking the boat by joining the west in their suicide attack on Russia and all things Russian.
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    Post  par far Wed Sep 06, 2023 5:24 pm

    Azerbaijan is apparently moving lots of military to the border with Armenia.
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    Post  Backman Wed Sep 06, 2023 6:07 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Maybe Russia should host an open vote, and ask the people if: do they want Russia to stay and protect the land or leave?

    Do in both Armenia and in Karabakh. If they vote to leave, Russia should leave. And just reinforce their borders to the south and upgrade around allied states.  Let Armenia and Armenians face the consequences and they can't blame Russia because they voted them to leave.

    According to the Armenian accounts on Twitter, they are going to fight to the death for Artsahk. But their president is a cia agent working for Turkey and the US. Thats a problem. He should have ordered a half dozen Pantsir's but nope. They want to settle Artsahk once and for all. ie take it away from Armenia
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:00 pm

    par far wrote:Azerbaijan is apparently moving lots of military to the border with Armenia.

    Well, screw Armenia. Their president screwed relations with Russia so now their people can bask in the glory of a western stooge. Of course they will blame Russia anyway.

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    Post  Backman Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:03 pm

    There are rumors that the local power brokers and military leaders in Artsahk are going to go over the head of Pashinyan. But how ? Russia might be able to slip them some air defense . I dunno. Maybe just hand helds

    Why didn't the hot headed nationalists in Yerevan assassinate Pashinyan for intentionally losing the war the first time ? Trashing the parliament doesn't count. It is too late for the nationalists I think. All they will do is fight hard but lose like they did the first time
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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 07, 2023 6:47 am

    If Armenia wants to be safe all they have to do is say to Russia that they wont play that stupid game of playing one side off against the other to get special deals, because you only end up pissing off both sides and you will be left to the dogs.

    Azerbaijan makes a lot of money from gas exports so simply say to them if they keep being hostile that such infrastructure might get damaged in the process.

    Cooler heads will likely prevail after that.
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    Post  nomadski Thu Sep 07, 2023 3:30 pm

    Two American / NATO allies going to war ? NATO membership brings world peace ? Stops members fighting ? Like a Pub landlord that can stop a brawl between two drunks ? Alas nobody can stop war . Did NATO stop war between Turkey and Greece ? Who is more important ? R. Azer and the pan-Turkish project to destabilise central Asia and Russia and Iran and China or ........Armenian territorial integrity ? Let me guess ! Once the stupid Armenian leaders are hooked , line and sinker , their M16 Rifles replacing AK47 , with no Ammo on the way , and Turks are de-virginising beautiful Armenian girls , then the penny will drop ! Or will it ? Joint manoeuvre with yanks ?

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