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    Azerbaijan vs Armenia [Nagorno-Karabakh conflict]

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    Post  Backman Sun May 16, 2021 8:18 pm

    Its hard for Russia to trust either side on this. Seems they are creating another crisis just because

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun May 16, 2021 8:33 pm

    I'd expect russia would demand hard proof before acting with the military.
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    Post  Isos Sun May 16, 2021 9:15 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I'd expect russia would demand hard proof before acting with the military.

    Or use diplomacy. Azeri are not stupid they won't go at war with Russia.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun May 16, 2021 10:21 pm

    Well, as the link I posted earlier, it appears that Russia made it clear that if the shooting starts, they are forced to intervene. All CSTO members are.

    Azerbaijan wont want that. That is for sure.

    But their game they are playing is going to get them into major trouble.

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    Post  franco Mon May 17, 2021 12:28 pm

    Baku agreed to leave the illegally occupied territory of Armenia

    On May 13, the Azerbaijani armed forces took control of Lake Sevlich (Lake Karagol, Black Lake), located between the Lachin region of Azerbaijan and the Syunik region of Armenia. According to the head of the Armenian cabinet Nikol Pashinyan, the Azerbaijani troops advanced 3.5 km deep into the Armenian territory. After the talks between Yerevan and Baku, the Azerbaijanis agreed to leave the illegally occupied regions.

    According to the agreement reached, the Azerbaijani military will leave the territory of the Black Lake on Monday, May 17. Armenian parliamentarian Naira Zohrabyan reported this on her Facebook page. At the same time, the Azerbaijani servicemen will not occupy the territory of Tigranashen, as previously assumed.

    The agreement on the withdrawal of troops was confirmed by the deputy head of the community of the city of Goris (eastern Syunik region, Armenia) Irina Yolyan. The conditions for the withdrawal of Azerbaijani troops have not yet been specified - it is only known that, according to the telegrams from the Sputnik Azerbaijan channel, Baku will withdraw its combat units by 2 km. 60 Azerbaijani servicemen will remain at the three posts created. Official information about the withdrawal of Azerbaijani troops has not yet been reported.

    Earlier, Nikol Pashinyan turned to Vladimir Putin to provide military assistance to Yerevan within the framework of the CSTO. In Baku, this step of the Armenian Prime Minister was regarded as politicization of the situation on the border of the two states.

    https://sr6k7fxsjdbtuibv3nxvimtoeu-ac4c6men2g7xr2a-topcor-ru.translate.goog/19915-baku-soglasilsja-pokinut-nezakonno-zanimaemuju-territoriju-armenii.html

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon May 17, 2021 9:06 pm


    And so it ends before it even began

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    Post  Yugo90 Mon May 17, 2021 9:11 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    And so it ends before it even began
    I would not be so calm if I would be Armenian general. Azeri troops can cause them alot of headache in the future...
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    Post  kvs Mon May 17, 2021 10:02 pm

    Yugo90 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    And so it ends before it even began
    I would not be so calm if I would be Armenian general. Azeri troops can cause them alot of headache in the future...

    As long as the NATzO occupation regime under Soros stooge Pussynian is in control, Armenia is screwed. Those Armenian
    generals need to act to remove the occupants.

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    Post  elconquistador Mon May 17, 2021 11:11 pm

    Nothing has ended. They are just probing and the Armenians look terribly divided and weak in their response

    Earlier today an Armenian MP of Pasinyan's party said that the Army is there to protect the people and not some deserted lands.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1394283221093912577

    Alright then, also mentioning the fact that Pasinyan didn't want to activitate the right article of the CSTO defense mechanism.

    Within 2 months there'll be another 'incident' based on 'faulty maps'

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Wed May 19, 2021 10:33 pm

    The test revealed, with a quick blow is a lot of room or important positions in 48 hours until there is a first serious political reaction. A military can need another 48 hours. A lot of time to create facts.
    Moscow has reacted to mild here. Those who do not set clear limits and makes safety guarantees has alredy lost.
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    Post  elconquistador Tue May 25, 2021 3:19 pm

    So the Azeris are still holding their positions around lake Sev and have allegedly increased their numbers up till 1000

    Also, today an Armenian soldier was shot dead by Azeris on Armenian territory.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1397179533288165381
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue May 25, 2021 3:21 pm

    Probably fake news. Everyone else said they left.

    Your link doesn't work either

    Please stop using Twitter as news. That site is so full on shit it's bad.

    Armenian soldier may have been killed. That may be true.

    Armenia needs to declare war if true, if they don't, then it isn't Russia's problem.
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    Post  elconquistador Tue May 25, 2021 3:29 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Probably fake news. Everyone else said they left.

    Your link doesn't work either

    Please stop using Twitter as news. That site is so full on shit it's bad.

    Armenian soldier may have been killed. That may be true.

    Armenia needs to declare war if true, if they don't, then it isn't Russia's problem.

    Armenian Ministry of Defense has just confirmed that an Armenian soldier has been killed

    As for the rest of the post: there are plenty of reliable Twitter accounts that accumulate news/ engage in citizen journalism/translate local news sources

    I'd personally take these people over state funded propaganda channels any day of the week

    Edit: you will also have to provide sources on the 'everyone said they had left'. It's been a hot topic in Armenia ever since they took up positions, with tons of video material coming out

    https://mobile.twitter.com/301_AD/status/1396835720870891522
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue May 25, 2021 3:36 pm

    elconquistador wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Probably fake news. Everyone else said they left.

    Your link doesn't work either

    Please stop using Twitter as news. That site is so full on shit it's bad.

    Armenian soldier may have been killed. That may be true.

    Armenia needs to declare war if true, if they don't, then it isn't Russia's problem.

    Armenian Ministry of Defense has just confirmed that an Armenian soldier has been killed

    As for the rest of the post: there are plenty of reliable Twitter accounts that accumulate news/ engage in citizen journalism/translate local news sources

    I'd personally take these people over state funded propaganda channels any day of the week

    Edit: you will also have to provide sources on the 'everyone said they had left'. It's been a hot topic in Armenia ever since they took up positions, with tons of video material coming out

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t3305p625-azerbaijan-vs-armenia-nagorno-karabakh-conflict#325009 no

    Seriously, get sources.  I'm sick of twitter garbage and no, none are reliable. These are same idiots saying they were winning till it was obvious they weren't.

    All your posts have been "twitter feed said this" also with no evidence.  So seriously, get better sources.

    Your tweet is the same asshole who was touting Armenia was winning in the last war. Then flipped switch after he was seen as an idiot.

    Sorry, that video shows nothing. We need exact geolocation a, date and time stamps.
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    Post  kvs Tue May 25, 2021 3:44 pm

    Private funded propaganda channels are way more of an issue than any state funded ones.

    They have the vast majority of the western public in their thrall and approximate as much as possible
    the limiting state described in 1984. I always found it ludicrous how westerners projected 1984 onto
    the USSR and Russia. Nobody was lapping up state propaganda in the 1970s like westerners drink
    the piss-fermented koolaid spewed by western "independent" media outlets. In the west, you
    only have freedom of opinion and expression if you toe the line. If you go off reservation, all sorts
    of insects on all levels come out of the woodwork to physically threaten you and to censor you.

    As for Twitter reliability, we had essentially all the useful information about Syria being delivered by
    Twitter accounts. I do not see why this has changed. The existence of noise and other problems
    on Twitter is not relevant.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue May 25, 2021 3:45 pm

    Show the link where the Armenian defense ministry stated this.



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    Post  miketheterrible Tue May 25, 2021 3:46 pm

    Regarding the Armenia situation, it was mostly twitter spreading fud.

    Maybe not all is garbage, but there needs to be a lot of specifics - time stamps and what not. Twitter accounts are notorious for spreading more fakes. True though that some good information gets through.
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    Post  elconquistador Tue May 25, 2021 3:53 pm

    You just literally linked an article that is entirely structured around a FaceBook post (the irony) by an obscure (paid) Armenian journo. Has it ever dawned upon you that this whole situation is not exactly tier A advertisement for Pasinyan?

    Meanwhile the Armenian Ministry of Defense has been documenting the Azeri aggression well past the 17th of May. Yes, on Twitter. It might come as a surprise to you, but all your 'reputable' and 'highly respected' legacy media (the real news sources, LOL) are highly active on social media.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/armeniamodteam

    As for your attack on the messenger, I have already told you that the Armenian MOD has confirmed the whole ordeal

    So I don't really understand what you are making such a fuss about. If you don't like Twitter take it up with the mods.

    And for the record, I don't like Twitter either but I do see the value in some of its facets, like how it gives certain non connected individuals a voice
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue May 25, 2021 3:55 pm

    If that's the case, why no news from their twatter account since May 19th?  If they officially said it, then I don't see it right now.

    Regarding the death of the soldier, if true, then how come Armenia didn't state outright it's a declaration of war? And or how come they didn't fire back?

    A lot of fishy shit and no one seems to be telling the truth


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue May 25, 2021 3:56 pm

    elconquistador wrote:You just literally linked an article that is entirely structured around a FaceBook post (the irony) by an obscure (paid) Armenian journo. Has it ever dawned upon you that this whole situation is not exactly tier A advertisement for Pasinyan?

    Meanwhile the Armenian Ministry of Defense has been documenting the Azeri aggression well past the 17th of May. Yes, on Twitter. It might come as a surprise to you, but all your 'reputable' and 'highly respected' legacy media (the real news sources, LOL) are highly active on social media.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/armeniamodteam

    As for your attack on the messenger, I have already told you that the Armenian MOD has confirmed the whole ordeal

    So I don't really understand what you are making such a fuss about. If you don't like Twitter take it up with the mods.

    And for the record, I don't like Twitter either but I do see the value in some of its facets, like how it gives certain non connected individuals a voice

    Where did the MOD, Claim this.

    Show the link from their official site or Twitter.
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    Post  elconquistador Tue May 25, 2021 4:08 pm

    https://mil.am/hy/news/9462

    Here you go you.

    Now back in your corner SS.
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue May 25, 2021 4:10 pm

    So with an official link (not tweet) it states border guards exchanged fire and they lost a 32 year old soldier. RIP to the soldier. Says situation is stable now.

    Hmmmmm
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue May 25, 2021 4:15 pm

    You need to pay attention to the wording lol

    Upper Shorzha border area of ​​Gegharkunik region. Յ. Khurshudyan.

    Basically, its saying boarder guards exhanged fire, they never even gave a reason why.
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    Post  elconquistador Tue May 25, 2021 4:21 pm

    From my first post:

    'Also, today an Armenian soldier was shot dead by Azeris on Armenian territory.


    But okay Seig, whatever. You win.

    Genuine question: do you do this for fun or is there a monetary incentive in play?
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    Post  elconquistador Thu May 27, 2021 6:28 pm

    New developments. 6 Armenian soldiers were made captive on Armenian soil

    https://mobile.twitter.com/301_AD/status/1397849525092597764

    Apparantly this was triggered by an Azeri truck driving over a mine (in what the Armenians say was Armenian territory)

    Pasinyan has proposed the deployment of international observers on Armenian territory (Russia, other OSCE Minsk countries, USA, France)

    Other parts of the proposal include demarcation of the border under international auspices and the withdrawal of the armed forces of both sides

    https://mobile.twitter.com/301_AD/status/1397921885782872068

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