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    Post  PapaDragon Thu May 27, 2021 8:49 pm

    elconquistador wrote:...Pasinyan has proposed the deployment of international observers on Armenian territory (Russia, other OSCE Minsk countries, USA, France)...

    That little bitch is still trying to pull this shit, gotta admire the dedication lol1

    Well it's Armenian corpses so they can keep trying all they want

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    Post  elconquistador Fri May 28, 2021 5:10 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/301_AD/status/1398286334226206724

    Azeris claim one of their soldiers was killed in Nakhchivan. Armenian MoD denies

    I have a feeling the Azeris will go for another (minor) landgrab after this
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    Post  AttilaA Fri May 28, 2021 5:42 pm

    Wounded, not killed.

    The Nagorno Karabakh Observer twitter account has cited the Azerbaijan MOD website but even when you translate the Azerbaijani version of MOD text with google translate it says:

    «As a result, serviceman Muradov Elkhan Ilham oglu was wounded in the shoulder. Our wounded soldier was immediately given first aid and evacuated to hospital. There is no danger to the life of our serviceman.»

    Original in Azerbaijani:

    «Nəticədə hərbi qulluqçu əsgər Muradov Elxan İlham oğlu çiynindən yaralanıb. Yaralı əsgərimizə dərhal ilkin tibbi yardım göstərilərək hospitala təxliyə edilib. Hərbi qulluqçumuzun həyatı üçün heç bir təhlükə yoxdur.»

    https://mod.gov.az/az/news/naxcivan-istiqametindeki-movqelerimiz-atese-tutulub-36070.html
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    Post  nero Fri May 28, 2021 8:35 pm

    An officer dismantles the board of an S-300 to go sell the gold in it for 30-40 thousand Drams.

    https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1398338661268213763

    What a joke.

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    Post  Sujoy Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:15 am

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Nov 09, 2021 12:00 pm

    Sujoy wrote:

    Just another corrupt post-Soviet oligarchy, no wonder they worship Israel dunno

    Even though Israel didn't do anything for them but sell weapons

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    Post  Sujoy Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:39 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Just another corrupt post-Soviet oligarchy, no wonder they worship Israel dunno

    Even though Israel didn't do anything for them but sell weapons
    Interesting part is they also worship Pakistan - ground zero for Islamic terrorism and a country that does not recognize Israel. However, covert relations between Pakistan & Israel always existed. Officially Pakistan does not recognize Israel. But as the Israeli media is now reporting that might change.

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/the-taliban-will-decide-if-pakistan-recognizes-israel-1.9953445
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    Post  Isos Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:36 am

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    4. In link summary of AZ air strategy from recent film https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yIR-fKpgaM https://twitter.com/khalfaguliyev/status/1455425514617909259.
    Further info:
    AZ claim 60% of AR air defence destroyed on day 1 rising to 90%.
    4x AR Su-25 downed
    2x AR Scuds downed by S300
    2x AR Smerch rockets downed by Buk
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    Post  Hole Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:52 am

    Armenia didn´t take part in that conflict. "Just" Nagorny-Karabakh.

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    Post  Isos Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:17 pm

    Hole wrote:Armenia didn´t take part in that conflict. "Just" Nagorny-Karabakh.

    Azeri destroyed an S-300 inside Armenia so I guess we can conclude Armenia was attacked, so kinda part if the conflict.

    And I don't remember any contract of Tor for NK. But were part of the conflict. Same for su-25.

    It's just that Az were much better trained and used cleaver tactics. Armenians cried and basically let their hardware get destroyed.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:15 am

    A lot of claims have been made and lots of video footage released, but like the Kiev regime and ISIS and the US military... relying solely on such information does not really give you a full picture of what actually took place and why.

    I don't think the Armenian leader did a very good job here and I think the Armenian military had its hands essentially tied... I really don't think what happened was a real reflection of what either side is capable of or reflects their real potential.

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    Post  Mindstorm Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:16 pm

    Isos wrote:Azeri destroyed an S-300 inside Armenia so I guess we can conclude Armenia was attacked, so kinda part if the conflict.

    And I don't remember any contract of Tor for NK. But were part of the conflict. Same for su-25.




    Isos what happened is much more simple : some Armenian air defenses complex participated in the conflict when Azeri forces begun to fight in the northen area in the proximity of the Armenian border where a a battery of С-300ПС and 3 Тор-М2КМ vehicles was transfered.

    Even in that limited area and in a time window of no more than 13 days, at the cost of a single С-300ПС launcher lost and a radar damaged - now repaired and perfectly operative in those same hours-  and a single Тор-М2КМ vehicle lost -in a storage garage- have caused truly crippling losses on Azeri UAV (about 35 UAVs by С-300ПС and about 60 UAV with 6 Bayraktar by part of Тор-М2КМ)

    In facts in the latest two weeks of the conflict in the north western area the operation of UAV almost ceased .

    Not a single element of any division of Armenian Army moved a single meter within Nagorno-Karabath area; if that would happened ,taking into account the easily defendeable area and the fortifications present, the outcome of the conflict would have been completely overtuned in short time, but contemporaneously would have opened ther space for a direct intervention of Turkey on the side of Azerbaijan ,fully in line with international Law, an element potentially dangerous for the same existence of Armenian State.

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    Post  Isos Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:55 pm

    It's starting again.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:07 pm

    Oh boy. Here we go again.

    Maybe this time Armenia will actually do something.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:28 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Oh boy.  Here we go again.

    Maybe this time Armenia will actually do something.

    Yerevan (AKA voter piñata) is far away from the border so my guess is nope

    Peasants will die but they don't matter to big wigs



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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:31 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Oh boy.  Here we go again.

    Maybe this time Armenia will actually do something.

    Yerevan (AKA voter piñata) is far away from the border so my guess is nope

    Peasants will die but they don't matter to big wigs




    Armenia could easily hold the border in that area.  But Pashinyan removed so many generals and others that now only people in power is currently someone who is head of his civil party and he himself.  Oh boy.

    In this regard, Russia has stated they have not received any request from Armenia of an official request of support from Russia part of the CSTO.  Armenia states they "plan to".  Cause if Russia moved in on the area to actually protect Armenia's borders, Armenians will cry saying that Evil Russia has invaded them and Azerbaijan would be scared of course of Russian response but would probably use Armenian's stupidity against Russia.

    Edit:

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12943157

    Seems situation is now stabilized.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:35 pm


    Yup

    Russia needs to Netflix and chill unless Pasha sends the official request

    After that they will roll in Armenia and Azeris will immediately quiet down (same as when entire Engels air base zeroed in on Azerbaijan and entire war immediately stopped)

    Otherwise Armenia will have to handle this solo

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    Post  Isos Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:46 pm

    Russia already sent troop there and have them even in Armenia and that doesn't stop Azerbaijan to attack armenians.

    With the downing of the su-24 by turks, the downing of the mi-8 by Azeri and the SAA getting bombed by the turks with impunity it seems that russian credibility is vanishing.

    If they really want to stop it they will need to blow up something deep in Azerbaijan to make them think twice before attacking again.

    Acting only when your interest are in danger makes you have no allies since you don't protect them when they are in need.
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:23 pm

    Isos wrote:Russia already sent troop there and have them even in Armenia and that doesn't stop Azerbaijan to attack armenians.

    With the downing of the su-24 by turks, the downing of the mi-8 by Azeri and the SAA getting bombed by the turks with impunity it seems that russian credibility is vanishing.

    If they really want to stop it they will need to blow up something deep in Azerbaijan to make them think twice before attacking again.

    Acting only when your interest are in danger makes you have no allies since you don't protect them when they are in need.

    Turks been hit back by RuAF in Syria anyway. Same with SAA attacking Turks directly, etc.

    They (azeries) scrambled for forgiveness from Russia after the downing of the Mi-8. Russia then moved into the area in more force. This is rather a border line conflict that is now resolved.

    I agree though to an extent. Russia needs to make a strike, maybe at a hardened formation near where the issue happened, to make a point. But then again, these people are not smart enough to understand that.

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    Post  Isos Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:30 pm

    Turks were attacking SAA with russian sukhoi in the air doing nothing. Azeri went for excuses for the mi-8 but yet the conflict is continuing.

    The more Russia plays with the limits of its intention/forgivness or whatever you call that the less trustworthy its help is. They always look at their interest first which isn't how its attitude should be if they have military help agreement since such agreement oblige you to act for someone else interests.

    If Armenia loses another conflict, all the armenian people will get angry at them and will seek help from US.

    I'm not talking about blowing up all Azerbaijan or Turkey. But a downed f-16 or an official strike at an artillery position will do the work. Something that even small nations like Iran, Israel or Turkey have done multiple times.
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:34 pm

    Isos wrote:Turks were attacking SAA with russian sukhoi in the air doing nothing. Azeri went for excuses for the mi-8 but yet the conflict is continuing.

    The more Russia plays with the limits of its intention/forgivness or whatever you call that the less trustworthy its help is.

    If armenia loses another conflict, all the armenian people will at angry at them and will seek help from US.

    I'm not talking about blowing up all Azerbaijan or Turkey. But a downed f-16 or an official strike at an artillery position will do the work.

    Not sure what situation you speak of but I am aware of Turkish units and terrorists targeted by both SAA and RuAF.  So I assume its these silly games non the less.

    As for this situation, well that is up to Russia.  If Russia loses allies because of this, like Armenia going to USA, then it will be bad for Armenia regardless and for Russia, well they will realize that their games of forgiveness isn't useful at all and will make things worst for them.

    It is actually Putin that is holding back.  The Russian Defense ministry on multiple times have made comments of wanting to act but Putin says no.

    So far, things have worked out for Russia.  So I assume that their decisions have given Russia reason to keep this up.

    As for the Mi-8 incident, I seem to recall it differently and I was very much more involved in monitoring it than yourself as you were more into the Syrian conflict.  And I recall the Azeries begging Russia for forgiveness and then stopped their actions in that region.  Russia then intervened in the Karabakh region which gave them more territory (Russia).

    Edit: I mean, maybe mistakes happen which always do. But you cant deny the fact that Russia is the reason why most of Syria is back under Assads control and not that of foreign forces. There are still issues but slowly and surely, they are taking back more.
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    Post  Isos Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:01 pm

    I'm not saying Russia does nothing. I'm just saying that if they want to keep having those few allies they have, they better stop taking into account only their own interest when facing difficult choices, specially when they have military agreements.

    So yeah they helped SAA, they helped Armenia but not enough. SAA gets bombed everyday and Armenia is loosing territory.

    If they did something like answering the downing of the su-24 by a kalibr launch at a turkish military base in Syria or kalibrating some frontline azeri artillery after the mi-8, then there allies would be in a better situation.

    Just look how today Turkey isn't afraid of using Syrian airspace ir Azeri attacking directly even if russian peacekeeper are there to monitor the area. Or UK sending its warship inside their waters just in front of one of their main naval base.

    Even the smallest russian military response would make such countries think twice.

    I have the impression they forget they have 5000 nuclear bombs.

    Take down a US helicopter and the next day you see tomahawks flying over your country (no one really cares if they target something).
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:12 pm

    Azeriea aren't attacking area where Russians are. Gotta brush up a bit on your geography. As for Turks using Syrian airspace? What? They are flying over Tartus, Damascus? Or are they terrorist held area Idlib?

    Russia moved into Syria base and Americans fled. America loses equipment all the time.  Americans in Georgia back in 2008 got killed by Russia and Americans denied everything regardless of passports proving it.

    America is as guilty as Russia in this.  They both tip toe around issues. Americans are very aggressive compared to Russia but as soon as it's up against someone capable, they tip toe. Russia just does this all the time as war is costly.

    But yeah, I agree. They need to bomb Baku and it's forces. Kill lots of people even though situation is resolved.

    Dumbass.
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:20 pm

    Isos wrote:Russia already sent troop there and have them even in Armenia and that doesn't stop Azerbaijan to attack armenians.
    With the downing of the su-24 by turks, the downing of the mi-8 by Azeri and the SAA getting bombed by the turks with impunity it seems that russian credibility is vanishing.
    If they really want to stop it they will need to blow up something deep in Azerbaijan to make them think twice before attacking again.
    Acting only when your interest are in danger makes you have no allies since you don't protect them when they are in need.

    Whoo whoo whoo, hold your horse, cowboy!
    Russkies are bombing the shit out of Turk's gut regular manner.
    Shit, they have evaporated a whole expedition command staff Twisted Evil back there in Idlib.
    Each and every time Turks show their noses out of agreed lines - they can't know the result.
    And usually, it is miserable to them.
    On the other hand, the Turks muppets, ale being killed each bloody day, one by one.
    Bum, bum, bum.
    Remind you, that Turks still have some juicy cash to be transferred to Moscow.
    They must keep the balance.
    Cash flows, bombs flows ...


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    Post  Isos Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:47 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Azeriea aren't attacking area where Russians are. Gotta brush up a bit on your geography. As for Turks using Syrian airspace? What? They are flying over Tartus, Damascus? Or are they terrorist held area Idlib?

    Russia moved into Syria base and Americans fled. America loses equipment all the time.  Americans in Georgia back in 2008 got killed by Russia and Americans denied everything regardless of passports proving it.

    America is as guilty as Russia in this.  They both tip toe around issues.  Americans are very aggressive compared to Russia but as soon as it's up against someone capable, they tip toe. Russia just does this all the time as war is costly.

    But yeah, I agree. They need to bomb Baku and it's forces. Kill lots of people even though situation is resolved.

    Dumbass.

    Syria is barely a country anymore. What is held by SAA is actually held by pro Iran militias which Assad would be happy to get ride of.

    Armenia is getting destroyed again and even more they may loose their border with Iran and good luck to get a foot in that country again they succeed.

    I bet it's Iran that will save Armenia.

    Each and every time Turks show their noses out of agreed lines - they can't know the result.

    Happened once. Russia denied it was them and let Turkey blow up SAA for days with its drones flying near Sukhoi which did nothing to protect them. What an ally.

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