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    Post  Hole on Thu May 28, 2020 5:59 pm

    A "expert" from a NATO country can´t see the benefit of a large harbor and a reilaway from Siberia to the Arctic, connecting even Central Asia to it. What a surprise. Rolling Eyes
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:58 am

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/09/trump-icebreakers-bases-arctic-antarctic-polar

    I wonder, will NZ allow a NP icebreaker in its waters? It could also be based in Chile & on the Falkands.

    http://www.ng.ru/world/2020-06-10/1_7883_arctic.html?print=Y


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    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:52 pm

    Military expedition to Novaya Zemlya is planned for August


    The expedition, which is due to start in mid-August, will continue for two or three weeks


    MOSCOW, June 15. /TASS/. Russia’s Northern Fleet, the Defense Ministry’s Chief Department, responsible for nuclear security, and the Russian Geographic Society will organize an expedition to Novaya Zemlya in 2020, the Fleet’s press service told reporters.

    "In mid-August, 2020, the Northern Fleet will send another Arctic expedition to islands of the Novaya Zemlya Archipelago," the press service said. "The expedition will also feature representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry's 12th Chief Department, of the Russian Geographic Society, of the Russian Arctic National Park, and experts from research institutes."

    The expedition will continue for two or three weeks. It will follow the route of the Arctic’s prominent explorer Vladimir Rusanov’s expedition (1910). Besides, the expedition members will visit winter camps of Russian expeditions led by Avgust Tsivolko (1838) and Georgy Sedov (1912), and will study locations, related to Willem Barentsz’s Arctic routes (1594-1597). Experts will monitor cultural and nature heritage objects on Novaya Zemlya and will conduct biology studies. They will also try special equipment, which can repel polar bears without any harm to the animals, and will study the Arctic predators’ migration routes.

    "Specialists of the Defense Ministry’s 12th Chief Department will monitor the radio-ecology situation and will measure radiation at locations across the archipelago," the press service said.

    The 12th Chief Department and the Northern Fleet have organized joint expeditions, including a complex expedition to Novaya Zemlya in 2018.

    https://tass.com/defense/1167863
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:33 am

    George1 wrote:

    Military expedition to Novaya Zemlya is planned for August



    The expedition, which is due to start in mid-August, will continue for two or three weeks


    MOSCOW, June 15. /TASS/. Russia’s Northern Fleet, the Defense Ministry’s Chief Department, responsible for nuclear security, and the Russian Geographic Society will organize an expedition to Novaya Zemlya in 2020, the Fleet’s press service told reporters.

    "In mid-August, 2020, the Northern Fleet will send another Arctic expedition to islands of the Novaya Zemlya Archipelago," the press service said. "The expedition will also feature representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry's 12th Chief Department, of the Russian Geographic Society, of the Russian Arctic National Park, and experts from research institutes."

    The expedition will continue for two or three weeks. It will follow the route of the Arctic’s prominent explorer Vladimir Rusanov’s expedition (1910). Besides, the expedition members will visit winter camps of Russian expeditions led by Avgust Tsivolko (1838) and Georgy Sedov (1912), and will study locations, related to Willem Barentsz’s Arctic routes (1594-1597). Experts will monitor cultural and nature heritage objects on Novaya Zemlya and will conduct biology studies. They will also try special equipment, which can repel polar bears without any harm to the animals, and will study the Arctic predators’ migration routes.

    "Specialists of the Defense Ministry’s 12th Chief Department will monitor the radio-ecology situation and will measure radiation at locations across the archipelago," the press service said.

    The 12th Chief Department and the Northern Fleet have organized joint expeditions, including a complex expedition to Novaya Zemlya in 2018.

    https://tass.com/defense/1167863

    Novaya Zemlya eh? Trump admin did plan on pulling out of the nuclear testing ban.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:03 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:...Novaya Zemlya eh? Trump admin did plan on pulling out of the nuclear testing ban.

    Novaya Zemlya is Russian territory, why pollute it for no reason?

    If Russia wants to pop a nuke they have much better places than that, South Pacific is perfect spot and if has much better lighting for that video streaming footage it would be made

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:40 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:...Novaya Zemlya eh? Trump admin did plan on pulling out of the nuclear testing ban.

    Novaya Zemlya is Russian territory, why pollute it for no reason?

    If Russia wants to pop a nuke they have much better places than that, South Pacific is perfect spot and if has much better lighting for that video streaming footage it would be made


    Novaya Zemlya was were they detonated Tsar Bomba, besides that the 'pollution' or more accurately known as fallout is relative to the heights that they're detonated. Apparently Tsar Bomba didn't produce that much fallout for that very reason, despite the ridiculous yield.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:01 am

    The radiation released by different sized bombs does not vary by an enormous amount.

    A small fission bomb through to a big fisson bomb there is a difference in radiation levels and distances, but as relatively small fission bombs are used to trigger fusion explosions then the really big bomb normally don't have big radiation zones and the blast and fireball are much bigger so to get a lethal dose of radiation you probably already got vapourised by the blast anyway.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:32 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:...Novaya Zemlya was were they detonated Tsar Bomba, besides that the 'pollution' or more accurately known as fallout is relative to the heights that they're detonated. Apparently Tsar Bomba didn't produce that much fallout for that very reason, despite the ridiculous yield.

    That still doesn't change the fact that it's Russian territory

    As long as rest of the planet is available they shouldn't be fucking up their own real estate

    I doubt USA will be detonating nukes on their own territory, Russia doing so would just project weakness and cause needless pollution

    Drop it outside the country and call it a day, prettier the landscape the better

    Ideally they should do it next to a coral reef or some other environmental bullshit, it would get they message across to millennials far better than detonation in a frozen Russian backwater (target audience would probably cheer if they did it there)



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    Post  Hole on Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:32 pm

    No country did ever test nuclear weapons outside of his territory.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:36 pm

    Hole wrote:No country did ever test nuclear weapons outside of his territory.

    USA was roasting Pacific for two decades straight

    Ocean belongs to everyone

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:10 pm

    Hole wrote:No country did ever test nuclear weapons outside of his territory.

    The British tested nuclear weapons in the US South West.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:17 pm

    There is the Partial Test Ban Treaty (PTBT) is the abbreviated name of the 1963 Treaty Banning Nuclear Weapon Tests in the Atmosphere, in Outer Space and Under Water, which prohibited all test detonations of nuclear weapons except for those conducted underground.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_Nuclear_Test_Ban_Treaty#:~:text=The%20Partial%20Test%20Ban%20Treaty%20(PTBT)%20is%20the%20abbreviated%20name,except%20for%20those%20conducted%20underground.&text=Ten%20states%20have%20signed%20but%20not%20ratified%20the%20treaty.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Partial_Nuclear_Test_Ban_Treaty#/media/File:PTBT_Participation.svg

    The US tested nukes on its de-facto colonies in the Pacific. The British tested nuclear weapons in Australia also.
    Russia won't risk needlessly antagonizing nations in the Pacific. If she does, then US, France & NK can do the same in the Arctic & Mid-Pacific.


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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:08 am

    No country did ever test nuclear weapons outside of his territory.

    Hahahahaha... totally agree with PD here... the US started detonating nukes in Nevada but when everyone started to realise how dirty they are and the sort of damage they did... guess what happened... the US started testing in the Bikini Islands and the Marshall Islands... the French also tested in the Pacific, and the Brits tested in Australia... so effectively even empty barren wasteland areas like Nevada or Paris or some Scottish backwater where they tested anthrax and other bio weapons were too precious to test nuclear weapons so the Marshall Islands and Mureroa and of course Australia were used.

    Maybe Russia could convert the space launch rig and mothership to an at sea monitor of nuclear weapons testing... they could launch ICBMs and IRBM warheads into the north Pacific ocean... there is an enormous mass of plastic rubbish floating there... they could see if hitting it with nuclear weapons makes it worse or makes it better.... at the very least that would be worth a Godzilla movie.... evil Russians, nuclear weapons, pollution, monsters...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:33 am

    If no other suitable test sites found, the old range at Semipalatinsk in Kazakhstan could be used- Astana would be happy to get extra $ for it.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semipalatinsk_Test_Site

    If not, there r places in E. Siberia & Mongolia where underground tests could be safely conducted. But who needs them in Russia when hypersonic missiles can destroy NPPs on the US E/W Coasts & release radiation w/o the use of any nukes?
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:46 am

    Apologies for this guys terrible pronunciation of Kharkov and related words... argh... but an interesting video at the other pole... antarctic exploration vehicles...


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