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    Post  PapaDragon Tue May 26, 2020 8:04 am

    GarryB wrote:.... only this is fully mobile.

    Will be interesting to see what it looks like.

    I wonder if it will be fitted with a gun, or perhaps those lasers they use to help break up really thick ice...

    It's a civilian stationary platform

    It's not supposed to break ice, idea is for vessel to intentionally get stuck in ice and to drift with it for months/years while scientists do their thing in shifts

    It will only have basic mobility and will rely on icebreakers to tow them to desired location and leave them there to get iced in


    As for appearance it should be like this:

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    Post  owais.usmani Thu May 28, 2020 1:48 pm

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/arctic/2020/05/new-barents-sea-port-will-get-railway-connecting-asia-arctic

    New Barents Sea port and 500 km railway link will connect Asia with the Arctic


    A 500 kilometer railway from Karpogory to Indiga is now on the table for for investment as part of Russia’s larger Arctic infrastructure strategy.

    “In general, it’s absolutely normal, uncomplicated terrain, there are no particularly expensive work,” acting Arkhangelsk governor Aleksandr Tsybulsky told reporters this week according to state-run news agency TASS.

    Construction of the railway, a side-track from the larger projected Belkomur line, is estimated at 200 billion rubles.

    Belkomur is the longtime planned rail line from Solikamsk in the Urals via Syktyvkar in the Komi Republic to Arkhangelsk by the White Sea. This railway across Russia’s European north will cut the distance from the Urals and Siberia to Arkhangelsk by 800 kilometers.

    In the village of Indiga on the coast to the Barents Sea, five milion dollars are already spent to prepare for the construction of a deepwater year-round port, TASS reports.

    More money is in the pipe when the large-scale construction work for the port facilities starts next year. Investments may exceed 300 billion rubles ($4,13 billion) before grand opening of the port in 2025, according to the private investment fund AEON Corporation.

    Russia’s new Arctic hub in Indiga will get a capacity to handle 80 to 200 million tons of cargo per year.

    Cargo to be shipped out to the ice-free Barents Sea via the port in Indiga includes coal, wood and paper, fertilizers and chemical products. This products aimed for the world markets will come from Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and China via the new railway.

    If in flow by 2025, the Indiga hub will be the first major linking Asia with the Arctic.

    China and Arkhangelsk
    Belkomur railway, though, is expected to give a big boost to shipping through the new Arkhangelsk deep-sea port as well.

    As previously reported by the Barents Observer, the deep-water port by the Dvina delta outside the city of Arkhangelsk will partly be built with Chinese funding.

    In 2016 the Arctic Transport and Industrial Centre Arkhangelsk signed an agreement of intent with the Beijing based Poly International Holding Co. on the deep-sea port construction.

    “The Chinese People’s Republic is for us a key partner in implementation of Arctic projects, including the bug ones, the most important,” former Arkhangelsk governor Igor Orlov said at the time.

    His successor, Aleksandr Tsybulsky now expects even more economic boost from the Belkomur railway and the side-track to Indiga.

    “We will be able to handle most export cargo, which is now shipped via St. Petersburg, and thereby offer economic conditions for our investors to be able to develop more actively and not waste money on transport,” Tsybulsky said to TASS.

    From China via Kyrgyzstan
    The acting governor points to Kyrgyzstan as a key player for bringing goods to the Arctic, both its own, and transit cargo from China.

    “Today, Kyrgyzstan is on the verge og making investment decisions on railway construction. They plan to build it across the country in order to transport Chinese good in transit, and then connect the railway network to neighboring countries,” Tsybulsky said.

    He elaborates on the volums: “If we first take Kyrgyz cargoes, it is not much of it. I think up to five million tons. We could then take some Chinese cargo. Plus we can take [from] Kazakhstan, with an annual agreement at the highest level, transit of about 30-40 million tons of coal.”

    Economically rational?
    Not everyone is convinced the changed patterns of Asia global cargo flow via the Arctic will happen in the speed projected by Russian authorities.

    Arild Moe, a Research Professor with the Fridtjof Nansen Institute in Oslo, Norway, has for decades studied Russia’s Arctic investments and sailings along the Northern Sea Route.

    He says to the Barents Observer that there are several plans on the table for development of north-south transport links.

    “The Belkomur railway, from the Urals to Arkhangelsk, has been under discussion for many years, without much happening on the ground,” Professor Moe says.

    He points to earlier plans for the Indiga port that turned out to be nothing.

    “Indiga was first planned as an LNG terminal, but that project has been abandoned. The investment requirements are very big,” Arild Moe explains.

    “It is not immediately clear why it would be economically rational to send goods from Central Asia or China via the Arctic if the destination is Western markets,” he adds.
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    Post  owais.usmani Thu May 28, 2020 1:51 pm

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/industry-and-energy/2020/05/tankers-cross-russian-arctic-route-without-icebreaker-assistance

    Tankers cross Russian Arctic route without icebreaker assistance


    The sea ice along the Russian Arctic coast is quickly vanishing as temperatures in the region have been reaching record highs.

    With the retreating ice comes tanker traffic.

    It was the “Christophe de Margerie” that on the 19th May kickstarted this year’s shipping season across the eastern part of the Northern Sea Route. The vessel owned and operated by Russian shipping company Sovcomflot loaded up liquefied natural gas in Sabetta and is due to arrive in the Chinese port of Jingtang on the 11th June.

    It was the earliest east-bound shipment on the route ever for this kind of vessel.

    By 27th May, the ship had made it almost to the island of Wrangle, information from ship tracker service MarineTraffic shows. The “Christophe de Margerie” is accompanied by nuclear powered icebreaker “Yamal”.

    In the wake of the almost 300 meter long vessel now follow the “Vladimir Voronin”, a vessel that is operated by company Teekay. The “Vladimir Voronin” on the 25th May left Sabetta and was on May 27th located in the Vilkitsky Strait north of the Taymyr Peninsula.

    According to Marine Traffic, there is also a third tanker in the region.

    None of the latter two vessels are accompanied by icebreakers. The “50 Let Pobedy” that escorted the “Vladimir Voronin” out of Sabetta and eastwards towards the Vilkitsky Strait has now returned and appears to be on its way back to Sabetta.

    Ice maps by the Russian Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute show that there are open waters in the southernmost parts of the Laptev Sea and the

    East Siberian Sea. There is now only one-year old ice along the whole route contrary to last year when a belt of multi-year old ice covered parts of the East Siberian Sea.

    Ice layers on the Northern Sea Route have shrunk dramatically over a number of years and in September 2019 the ice sheet was at its second smallest level ever.

    Among the drivers of the sea ice melting are the quickly increasing temperatures.

    The year 2019 saw the second highest average temperatures in the Arctic ever, and the latest climate report by Roshydromet says that average winter temperatures along the Northern Sea Route, the waters located along the country’s Arctic coast, have increased by about 5 degrees since the 1990s.

    The “Christophe de Margerie” and “Vladimir Voronin” are part of a fleet of 15 vessels that serve the Yamal LNG project. They all have ice class Arc7 and can autonomously break through up to 2,1 meters of sea ice.

    The fleet of LNG carriers are instrumental in the major spike in shipping in the Russian Arctic. In 2019, a total of 31,5 million tons of goods were shipped on the Northern Sea Route, an increase of almost 60 percent from the previous year.
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    Post  Hole Thu May 28, 2020 5:59 pm

    A "expert" from a NATO country can´t see the benefit of a large harbor and a reilaway from Siberia to the Arctic, connecting even Central Asia to it. What a surprise. Rolling Eyes
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:58 am

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/09/trump-icebreakers-bases-arctic-antarctic-polar

    I wonder, will NZ allow a NP icebreaker in its waters? It could also be based in Chile & on the Falkands.

    http://www.ng.ru/world/2020-06-10/1_7883_arctic.html?print=Y


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    Post  George1 Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:52 pm

    Military expedition to Novaya Zemlya is planned for August


    The expedition, which is due to start in mid-August, will continue for two or three weeks


    MOSCOW, June 15. /TASS/. Russia’s Northern Fleet, the Defense Ministry’s Chief Department, responsible for nuclear security, and the Russian Geographic Society will organize an expedition to Novaya Zemlya in 2020, the Fleet’s press service told reporters.

    "In mid-August, 2020, the Northern Fleet will send another Arctic expedition to islands of the Novaya Zemlya Archipelago," the press service said. "The expedition will also feature representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry's 12th Chief Department, of the Russian Geographic Society, of the Russian Arctic National Park, and experts from research institutes."

    The expedition will continue for two or three weeks. It will follow the route of the Arctic’s prominent explorer Vladimir Rusanov’s expedition (1910). Besides, the expedition members will visit winter camps of Russian expeditions led by Avgust Tsivolko (1838) and Georgy Sedov (1912), and will study locations, related to Willem Barentsz’s Arctic routes (1594-1597). Experts will monitor cultural and nature heritage objects on Novaya Zemlya and will conduct biology studies. They will also try special equipment, which can repel polar bears without any harm to the animals, and will study the Arctic predators’ migration routes.

    "Specialists of the Defense Ministry’s 12th Chief Department will monitor the radio-ecology situation and will measure radiation at locations across the archipelago," the press service said.

    The 12th Chief Department and the Northern Fleet have organized joint expeditions, including a complex expedition to Novaya Zemlya in 2018.

    https://tass.com/defense/1167863
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:33 am

    George1 wrote:

    Military expedition to Novaya Zemlya is planned for August



    The expedition, which is due to start in mid-August, will continue for two or three weeks


    MOSCOW, June 15. /TASS/. Russia’s Northern Fleet, the Defense Ministry’s Chief Department, responsible for nuclear security, and the Russian Geographic Society will organize an expedition to Novaya Zemlya in 2020, the Fleet’s press service told reporters.

    "In mid-August, 2020, the Northern Fleet will send another Arctic expedition to islands of the Novaya Zemlya Archipelago," the press service said. "The expedition will also feature representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry's 12th Chief Department, of the Russian Geographic Society, of the Russian Arctic National Park, and experts from research institutes."

    The expedition will continue for two or three weeks. It will follow the route of the Arctic’s prominent explorer Vladimir Rusanov’s expedition (1910). Besides, the expedition members will visit winter camps of Russian expeditions led by Avgust Tsivolko (1838) and Georgy Sedov (1912), and will study locations, related to Willem Barentsz’s Arctic routes (1594-1597). Experts will monitor cultural and nature heritage objects on Novaya Zemlya and will conduct biology studies. They will also try special equipment, which can repel polar bears without any harm to the animals, and will study the Arctic predators’ migration routes.

    "Specialists of the Defense Ministry’s 12th Chief Department will monitor the radio-ecology situation and will measure radiation at locations across the archipelago," the press service said.

    The 12th Chief Department and the Northern Fleet have organized joint expeditions, including a complex expedition to Novaya Zemlya in 2018.

    https://tass.com/defense/1167863

    Novaya Zemlya eh? Trump admin did plan on pulling out of the nuclear testing ban.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:03 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:...Novaya Zemlya eh? Trump admin did plan on pulling out of the nuclear testing ban.

    Novaya Zemlya is Russian territory, why pollute it for no reason?

    If Russia wants to pop a nuke they have much better places than that, South Pacific is perfect spot and if has much better lighting for that video streaming footage it would be made

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:40 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:...Novaya Zemlya eh? Trump admin did plan on pulling out of the nuclear testing ban.

    Novaya Zemlya is Russian territory, why pollute it for no reason?

    If Russia wants to pop a nuke they have much better places than that, South Pacific is perfect spot and if has much better lighting for that video streaming footage it would be made


    Novaya Zemlya was were they detonated Tsar Bomba, besides that the 'pollution' or more accurately known as fallout is relative to the heights that they're detonated. Apparently Tsar Bomba didn't produce that much fallout for that very reason, despite the ridiculous yield.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:01 am

    The radiation released by different sized bombs does not vary by an enormous amount.

    A small fission bomb through to a big fisson bomb there is a difference in radiation levels and distances, but as relatively small fission bombs are used to trigger fusion explosions then the really big bomb normally don't have big radiation zones and the blast and fireball are much bigger so to get a lethal dose of radiation you probably already got vapourised by the blast anyway.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:32 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:...Novaya Zemlya was were they detonated Tsar Bomba, besides that the 'pollution' or more accurately known as fallout is relative to the heights that they're detonated. Apparently Tsar Bomba didn't produce that much fallout for that very reason, despite the ridiculous yield.

    That still doesn't change the fact that it's Russian territory

    As long as rest of the planet is available they shouldn't be fucking up their own real estate

    I doubt USA will be detonating nukes on their own territory, Russia doing so would just project weakness and cause needless pollution

    Drop it outside the country and call it a day, prettier the landscape the better

    Ideally they should do it next to a coral reef or some other environmental bullshit, it would get they message across to millennials far better than detonation in a frozen Russian backwater (target audience would probably cheer if they did it there)



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    Post  Hole Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:32 pm

    No country did ever test nuclear weapons outside of his territory.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:36 pm

    Hole wrote:No country did ever test nuclear weapons outside of his territory.

    USA was roasting Pacific for two decades straight

    Ocean belongs to everyone

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:10 pm

    Hole wrote:No country did ever test nuclear weapons outside of his territory.

    The British tested nuclear weapons in the US South West.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:17 pm

    There is the Partial Test Ban Treaty (PTBT) is the abbreviated name of the 1963 Treaty Banning Nuclear Weapon Tests in the Atmosphere, in Outer Space and Under Water, which prohibited all test detonations of nuclear weapons except for those conducted underground.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_Nuclear_Test_Ban_Treaty#:~:text=The%20Partial%20Test%20Ban%20Treaty%20(PTBT)%20is%20the%20abbreviated%20name,except%20for%20those%20conducted%20underground.&text=Ten%20states%20have%20signed%20but%20not%20ratified%20the%20treaty.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Partial_Nuclear_Test_Ban_Treaty#/media/File:PTBT_Participation.svg

    The US tested nukes on its de-facto colonies in the Pacific. The British tested nuclear weapons in Australia also.
    Russia won't risk needlessly antagonizing nations in the Pacific. If she does, then US, France & NK can do the same in the Arctic & Mid-Pacific.


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    Post  GarryB Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:08 am

    No country did ever test nuclear weapons outside of his territory.

    Hahahahaha... totally agree with PD here... the US started detonating nukes in Nevada but when everyone started to realise how dirty they are and the sort of damage they did... guess what happened... the US started testing in the Bikini Islands and the Marshall Islands... the French also tested in the Pacific, and the Brits tested in Australia... so effectively even empty barren wasteland areas like Nevada or Paris or some Scottish backwater where they tested anthrax and other bio weapons were too precious to test nuclear weapons so the Marshall Islands and Mureroa and of course Australia were used.

    Maybe Russia could convert the space launch rig and mothership to an at sea monitor of nuclear weapons testing... they could launch ICBMs and IRBM warheads into the north Pacific ocean... there is an enormous mass of plastic rubbish floating there... they could see if hitting it with nuclear weapons makes it worse or makes it better.... at the very least that would be worth a Godzilla movie.... evil Russians, nuclear weapons, pollution, monsters...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:33 am

    If no other suitable test sites found, the old range at Semipalatinsk in Kazakhstan could be used- Astana would be happy to get extra $ for it.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semipalatinsk_Test_Site

    If not, there r places in E. Siberia & Mongolia where underground tests could be safely conducted. But who needs them in Russia when hypersonic missiles can destroy NPPs on the US E/W Coasts & release radiation w/o the use of any nukes?
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:46 am

    Apologies for this guys terrible pronunciation of Kharkov and related words... argh... but an interesting video at the other pole... antarctic exploration vehicles...

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:49 am

    https://www.ng.ru/armies/2020-08-06/1_7931_fleet.html?print=Y
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    Post  George1 Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:58 pm

    Planet satellite captures "colossal" runway in the Arctic

    As the newspaper writes, using the "Arctic Trefoil", Russia controls the "sky and sea at long distances" around the base
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    The American edition of The Drive published images obtained by Planet Labs on August 13, 2020, in which it can be seen that the Russian military increased the length of the runway at the Nagurskoe airbase on the island of Alexandra Land of the Franz Josef Land archipelago from 2.5 kilometers to "colossal" 3.5 kilometers.

    As follows from the publication, the facility will operate all year round, and the lengthening of the runway will allow any aircraft in service with the Russian army to be taken to the airfield of the Arctic Trefoil military base, including tactical combat aircraft such as the MiG interceptor fighter. 31.

    In addition, American journalists note that strategic bombers Tu-95 and Tu-160, as well as long-range anti-submarine aircraft Tu-142 and medium-range anti-submarine aircraft Il-38, can take off from the Nagurskoye airfield.

    As the newspaper writes, using the "Arctic Trefoil", Russia controls the "sky and sea at long distances" around the base. The authors of the article acknowledge that Moscow's interest in the Arctic region is associated with the availability of useful resources there and the possibilities of shipping, which have appeared due to global warming.

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    Post  kvs Sat Aug 22, 2020 4:32 pm

    Russian media needs to US satellite images to show US military construction projects in Alaska and elsewhere.
    Clearly these images are supposed to scare the NATzO media consumer sheep with the "Russian threat".

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    Post  medo Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:21 pm

    Even existing 2,5 km long runway and apron is enough for their needs in far north. Increasing runway to 3,5 km and building large apron made it very serious air base. They will need to build a lot of additional objects, as existing trefoil will be only enough for air defense and radar crews. With this size, RuAF could without any problem form a whole squadron of fighters to be stationed there and not only a group of 4 fighters. They will statione there as well 1 or 2 Il-38N maritime patrol planes and 2 Mi-8AMTSh-VA search and rescue helicopters. Russia should produce two squadrons of Su-30SM2 with Irbis radar and 117S engines to be stationed one squadron in Rogachevo base on Novaya Zemlya island and one squadron in nagurskoe baseon Zemlya Alexandra island and with that close the door to Russian Arctic.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:16 am

    I wonder, will NZ allow a NP icebreaker in its waters?

    Sorry... just noticed this... New Zealand does not have a problem with nuclear propelled ships... it is nuclear weapons they objected to, and the USN policy of neither confirm nor deny(the presence of nuclear weapons on ships) meant we refused allowing them to come here.

    A NP icebreaker should be fine unless it has nuclear weapons on board.

    Russian Navy ships should be fine as long as they don't bring nuclear weapons with them... they could have support ships sitting off the coast in international waters and could put any nuke weapons on those and then come in and visit and then as they leave pick up their nuke warheads again before they leave... like not being allowed firearms in a pub...

    Regarding this article... it is Russian territory... why would they not want to control the air and land around there... and the shipping lanes...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:41 pm

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35899/russia-is-extending-the-runway-at-its-arctic-base-could-support-tactical-jets-bombers

    It's turning into their Iceland/Greenland- guarding the W. approaches to the NSR/Arctic.
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    Post  kvs Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:57 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35899/russia-is-extending-the-runway-at-its-arctic-base-could-support-tactical-jets-bombers

    It's turning into their Iceland/Greenland- guarding the W. approaches to the NSR/Arctic.

    The butthurt is palpable. These NATzO clowns actually think they can control the NSR like they control Panama and Suez. Get fucked you imperialist
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