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    Post  Hole on Thu May 28, 2020 5:59 pm

    A "expert" from a NATO country can´t see the benefit of a large harbor and a reilaway from Siberia to the Arctic, connecting even Central Asia to it. What a surprise. Rolling Eyes
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:58 am

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/09/trump-icebreakers-bases-arctic-antarctic-polar

    I wonder, will NZ allow a NP icebreaker in its waters? It could also be based in Chile & on the Falkands.

    http://www.ng.ru/world/2020-06-10/1_7883_arctic.html?print=Y


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    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:52 pm

    Military expedition to Novaya Zemlya is planned for August


    The expedition, which is due to start in mid-August, will continue for two or three weeks


    MOSCOW, June 15. /TASS/. Russia’s Northern Fleet, the Defense Ministry’s Chief Department, responsible for nuclear security, and the Russian Geographic Society will organize an expedition to Novaya Zemlya in 2020, the Fleet’s press service told reporters.

    "In mid-August, 2020, the Northern Fleet will send another Arctic expedition to islands of the Novaya Zemlya Archipelago," the press service said. "The expedition will also feature representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry's 12th Chief Department, of the Russian Geographic Society, of the Russian Arctic National Park, and experts from research institutes."

    The expedition will continue for two or three weeks. It will follow the route of the Arctic’s prominent explorer Vladimir Rusanov’s expedition (1910). Besides, the expedition members will visit winter camps of Russian expeditions led by Avgust Tsivolko (1838) and Georgy Sedov (1912), and will study locations, related to Willem Barentsz’s Arctic routes (1594-1597). Experts will monitor cultural and nature heritage objects on Novaya Zemlya and will conduct biology studies. They will also try special equipment, which can repel polar bears without any harm to the animals, and will study the Arctic predators’ migration routes.

    "Specialists of the Defense Ministry’s 12th Chief Department will monitor the radio-ecology situation and will measure radiation at locations across the archipelago," the press service said.

    The 12th Chief Department and the Northern Fleet have organized joint expeditions, including a complex expedition to Novaya Zemlya in 2018.

    https://tass.com/defense/1167863
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:33 am

    George1 wrote:

    Military expedition to Novaya Zemlya is planned for August



    The expedition, which is due to start in mid-August, will continue for two or three weeks


    MOSCOW, June 15. /TASS/. Russia’s Northern Fleet, the Defense Ministry’s Chief Department, responsible for nuclear security, and the Russian Geographic Society will organize an expedition to Novaya Zemlya in 2020, the Fleet’s press service told reporters.

    "In mid-August, 2020, the Northern Fleet will send another Arctic expedition to islands of the Novaya Zemlya Archipelago," the press service said. "The expedition will also feature representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry's 12th Chief Department, of the Russian Geographic Society, of the Russian Arctic National Park, and experts from research institutes."

    The expedition will continue for two or three weeks. It will follow the route of the Arctic’s prominent explorer Vladimir Rusanov’s expedition (1910). Besides, the expedition members will visit winter camps of Russian expeditions led by Avgust Tsivolko (1838) and Georgy Sedov (1912), and will study locations, related to Willem Barentsz’s Arctic routes (1594-1597). Experts will monitor cultural and nature heritage objects on Novaya Zemlya and will conduct biology studies. They will also try special equipment, which can repel polar bears without any harm to the animals, and will study the Arctic predators’ migration routes.

    "Specialists of the Defense Ministry’s 12th Chief Department will monitor the radio-ecology situation and will measure radiation at locations across the archipelago," the press service said.

    The 12th Chief Department and the Northern Fleet have organized joint expeditions, including a complex expedition to Novaya Zemlya in 2018.

    https://tass.com/defense/1167863

    Novaya Zemlya eh? Trump admin did plan on pulling out of the nuclear testing ban.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:03 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:...Novaya Zemlya eh? Trump admin did plan on pulling out of the nuclear testing ban.

    Novaya Zemlya is Russian territory, why pollute it for no reason?

    If Russia wants to pop a nuke they have much better places than that, South Pacific is perfect spot and if has much better lighting for that video streaming footage it would be made

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:40 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:...Novaya Zemlya eh? Trump admin did plan on pulling out of the nuclear testing ban.

    Novaya Zemlya is Russian territory, why pollute it for no reason?

    If Russia wants to pop a nuke they have much better places than that, South Pacific is perfect spot and if has much better lighting for that video streaming footage it would be made


    Novaya Zemlya was were they detonated Tsar Bomba, besides that the 'pollution' or more accurately known as fallout is relative to the heights that they're detonated. Apparently Tsar Bomba didn't produce that much fallout for that very reason, despite the ridiculous yield.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:01 am

    The radiation released by different sized bombs does not vary by an enormous amount.

    A small fission bomb through to a big fisson bomb there is a difference in radiation levels and distances, but as relatively small fission bombs are used to trigger fusion explosions then the really big bomb normally don't have big radiation zones and the blast and fireball are much bigger so to get a lethal dose of radiation you probably already got vapourised by the blast anyway.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:32 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:...Novaya Zemlya was were they detonated Tsar Bomba, besides that the 'pollution' or more accurately known as fallout is relative to the heights that they're detonated. Apparently Tsar Bomba didn't produce that much fallout for that very reason, despite the ridiculous yield.

    That still doesn't change the fact that it's Russian territory

    As long as rest of the planet is available they shouldn't be fucking up their own real estate

    I doubt USA will be detonating nukes on their own territory, Russia doing so would just project weakness and cause needless pollution

    Drop it outside the country and call it a day, prettier the landscape the better

    Ideally they should do it next to a coral reef or some other environmental bullshit, it would get they message across to millennials far better than detonation in a frozen Russian backwater (target audience would probably cheer if they did it there)



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    Post  Hole on Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:32 pm

    No country did ever test nuclear weapons outside of his territory.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:36 pm

    Hole wrote:No country did ever test nuclear weapons outside of his territory.

    USA was roasting Pacific for two decades straight

    Ocean belongs to everyone

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:10 pm

    Hole wrote:No country did ever test nuclear weapons outside of his territory.

    The British tested nuclear weapons in the US South West.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:17 pm

    There is the Partial Test Ban Treaty (PTBT) is the abbreviated name of the 1963 Treaty Banning Nuclear Weapon Tests in the Atmosphere, in Outer Space and Under Water, which prohibited all test detonations of nuclear weapons except for those conducted underground.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_Nuclear_Test_Ban_Treaty#:~:text=The%20Partial%20Test%20Ban%20Treaty%20(PTBT)%20is%20the%20abbreviated%20name,except%20for%20those%20conducted%20underground.&text=Ten%20states%20have%20signed%20but%20not%20ratified%20the%20treaty.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Partial_Nuclear_Test_Ban_Treaty#/media/File:PTBT_Participation.svg

    The US tested nukes on its de-facto colonies in the Pacific. The British tested nuclear weapons in Australia also.
    Russia won't risk needlessly antagonizing nations in the Pacific. If she does, then US, France & NK can do the same in the Arctic & Mid-Pacific.


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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:08 am

    No country did ever test nuclear weapons outside of his territory.

    Hahahahaha... totally agree with PD here... the US started detonating nukes in Nevada but when everyone started to realise how dirty they are and the sort of damage they did... guess what happened... the US started testing in the Bikini Islands and the Marshall Islands... the French also tested in the Pacific, and the Brits tested in Australia... so effectively even empty barren wasteland areas like Nevada or Paris or some Scottish backwater where they tested anthrax and other bio weapons were too precious to test nuclear weapons so the Marshall Islands and Mureroa and of course Australia were used.

    Maybe Russia could convert the space launch rig and mothership to an at sea monitor of nuclear weapons testing... they could launch ICBMs and IRBM warheads into the north Pacific ocean... there is an enormous mass of plastic rubbish floating there... they could see if hitting it with nuclear weapons makes it worse or makes it better.... at the very least that would be worth a Godzilla movie.... evil Russians, nuclear weapons, pollution, monsters...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:33 am

    If no other suitable test sites found, the old range at Semipalatinsk in Kazakhstan could be used- Astana would be happy to get extra $ for it.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semipalatinsk_Test_Site

    If not, there r places in E. Siberia & Mongolia where underground tests could be safely conducted. But who needs them in Russia when hypersonic missiles can destroy NPPs on the US E/W Coasts & release radiation w/o the use of any nukes?
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:46 am

    Apologies for this guys terrible pronunciation of Kharkov and related words... argh... but an interesting video at the other pole... antarctic exploration vehicles...

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:49 am

    https://www.ng.ru/armies/2020-08-06/1_7931_fleet.html?print=Y
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    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:58 pm

    Planet satellite captures "colossal" runway in the Arctic

    As the newspaper writes, using the "Arctic Trefoil", Russia controls the "sky and sea at long distances" around the base
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    The American edition of The Drive published images obtained by Planet Labs on August 13, 2020, in which it can be seen that the Russian military increased the length of the runway at the Nagurskoe airbase on the island of Alexandra Land of the Franz Josef Land archipelago from 2.5 kilometers to "colossal" 3.5 kilometers.

    As follows from the publication, the facility will operate all year round, and the lengthening of the runway will allow any aircraft in service with the Russian army to be taken to the airfield of the Arctic Trefoil military base, including tactical combat aircraft such as the MiG interceptor fighter. 31.

    In addition, American journalists note that strategic bombers Tu-95 and Tu-160, as well as long-range anti-submarine aircraft Tu-142 and medium-range anti-submarine aircraft Il-38, can take off from the Nagurskoye airfield.

    As the newspaper writes, using the "Arctic Trefoil", Russia controls the "sky and sea at long distances" around the base. The authors of the article acknowledge that Moscow's interest in the Arctic region is associated with the availability of useful resources there and the possibilities of shipping, which have appeared due to global warming.

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    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 22, 2020 4:32 pm

    Russian media needs to US satellite images to show US military construction projects in Alaska and elsewhere.
    Clearly these images are supposed to scare the NATzO media consumer sheep with the "Russian threat".

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    Post  medo on Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:21 pm

    Even existing 2,5 km long runway and apron is enough for their needs in far north. Increasing runway to 3,5 km and building large apron made it very serious air base. They will need to build a lot of additional objects, as existing trefoil will be only enough for air defense and radar crews. With this size, RuAF could without any problem form a whole squadron of fighters to be stationed there and not only a group of 4 fighters. They will statione there as well 1 or 2 Il-38N maritime patrol planes and 2 Mi-8AMTSh-VA search and rescue helicopters. Russia should produce two squadrons of Su-30SM2 with Irbis radar and 117S engines to be stationed one squadron in Rogachevo base on Novaya Zemlya island and one squadron in nagurskoe baseon Zemlya Alexandra island and with that close the door to Russian Arctic.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:16 am

    I wonder, will NZ allow a NP icebreaker in its waters?

    Sorry... just noticed this... New Zealand does not have a problem with nuclear propelled ships... it is nuclear weapons they objected to, and the USN policy of neither confirm nor deny(the presence of nuclear weapons on ships) meant we refused allowing them to come here.

    A NP icebreaker should be fine unless it has nuclear weapons on board.

    Russian Navy ships should be fine as long as they don't bring nuclear weapons with them... they could have support ships sitting off the coast in international waters and could put any nuke weapons on those and then come in and visit and then as they leave pick up their nuke warheads again before they leave... like not being allowed firearms in a pub...

    Regarding this article... it is Russian territory... why would they not want to control the air and land around there... and the shipping lanes...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:41 pm

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35899/russia-is-extending-the-runway-at-its-arctic-base-could-support-tactical-jets-bombers

    It's turning into their Iceland/Greenland- guarding the W. approaches to the NSR/Arctic.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:57 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35899/russia-is-extending-the-runway-at-its-arctic-base-could-support-tactical-jets-bombers

    It's turning into their Iceland/Greenland- guarding the W. approaches to the NSR/Arctic.

    The butthurt is palpable. These NATzO clowns actually think they can control the NSR like they control Panama and Suez. Get fucked you imperialist
    wannabe losers.

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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:53 pm

    News from Feb
    Hope they get that clutter out the way

    http://mil.today/2020/Incidents1/

    Russia to Lift Perished Soviet Nuke Subs in 2020's

    For many years, Russian industrial companies, relevant nuclear and marine design bureaus and research institutes have been scrutinizing the salvage of the sunken Soviet nuclear-powered submarine K-27 (Project 645, November-class). In case the lifting by Russian equipment is successful, experts plan to consider raising of K-278 submarine Komsomolets (Project 685, Mike-class), three informed insiders told Mil.Press. So far, the exact timelines of the lifting operations are unknown.

    According to one of the interviewees, K-27 being grounded at the depth of 75 meters in the Kara Sea can be raised in the first half of 2020's. Earlier, the salvage was scheduled in the end of 2010's.

    The second insider said a part of funds for designing of a Project 23570 specialized submarine salvage vessel had been already assigned. The ship was presented at Neva-2019 marine show for a limited circle of attendants. Reporters of Mil.Press found out its prospective characteristics. The utility model description classifies the ship as "non-propelled sea vessel for lifting, transportation, and delivery for disposal of scuttled (sunken) large-size and heavy-weight marine facilities".

    It is planned to build the ship in Saint Petersburg or Severodvinsk, added the third interviewee. It may be a cooperation of shipyards. There are two funding options: a cost-effective (RUB 3-4 bln), and a more expensive one (RUB 7-8 bln).

    Project 23570 implements the whole range of new technical solutions in the ship salvage. Several research works were carried out in this area, including those under the federal target program "Civil Marine Engineering Development 2009-2016". One of these works named Technology-A(TP) is aimed at "designing of technical project for package technology and technical facilities for searching, identification, lifting and delivery for disposal of potentially hazardous underwater objects".

    One of the documents of that project says "the primary mission before... detailed exploration of... hydrocarbon deposits on the continental shelf of the Kara Sea and the Barents Sea, as well as adjacent shore of the Novaya Zemlya island group, is the environmental rehabilitation of licensed blocks from large-size and heavy-weight potentially hazardous underwater objects, including substantiation of various disposal options, i.e. lifting and onshore dismantlement, isolation on the seabed, or abandonment without intervention".

    BACKGROUND

    In July 2019, researchers of the Russo-Norwegian expedition based on the vessel named GO Sars explored K-278. Among other approaches, they used the remotely operated vehicle Ægir 6000 to reach Komsomolets, study leakages and take water samples.

    Later on, experts from Norwegian Institute of Marine Research reported about growing radiation intensity around the Komsomolets scene of sinking, where it is grounded at the depth over 1.6 km. The vent hole where the water samples were taken is located in close contact with the sub's nuclear reactor. The radioactivity level appeared higher than the samples taken by Russian scientists in 2007. According to previous studies held by Russian experts, there were nuclear releases, and Komsomolets was heavily damaged. One of the reasons for radioactive emissions can be ocean currents. Along with that, the findings were called preliminary, and the leakage was classified as non-threating to fishery or the sample takers.

    On February 4, Mil.Press failed to contact the expedition leader on the Norwegian side, Ms. Hilde Elise Heldal.
    FOR REFERENCE

    K-27 was laid down in 1958, launched in 1962, and commissioned in 1963. After the accident occurred in May 1968, recovery of the submarine was condemned as inexpedient. The submarine had been mothballed for 13 years, and then sunken in the Kara Sea.

    K-278 was laid down in 1978, launched and commissioned in 1983. On August 4, 1985, being headed by Capt. 1 Rank Yury Zelensky, the submarine set the world diving record, 1000 meters, and launched torpedoes at that depth. Komsomolets perished on the post-patrol homeward voyage in the Norwegian Sea on April 7, 1989 as a result of fire that led to the loss of buoyancy and foundering.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Aug 29, 2020 3:42 am


    Exclamation This is news about Antarctica (one with penguins, South Pole and Kurt Russell) not Arctic but I'm putting it here anyway

    Construction of new complex for Vostok station in Antarctica has been completed in Leningrad Region

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/135302/

    It can keep crew safe for two years without resupply, it will be transported in components to Antarctica and reassembled there

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Aug 29, 2020 4:47 am

    Mew USN/AF deployments in the Arctic:
    https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2020/08/27/13213705.shtml

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