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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:15 pm

    “Late for 15 years”: how the Pentagon is going to defend US interests in the Arctic
    https://ru.rt.com/fli8
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    Post  Azi on Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:38 pm

    The US is secretly working slowly to take over Greenland. They pissed off some danish politicians who aren't stupid like shit.

    "Totally Unacceptable" - sputniknews.com

    USA is becoming more and more dangerous...the biggest threat to peace in 21st century.
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:11 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:“Late for 15 years”: how the Pentagon is going to defend US interests in the Arctic
    https://ru.rt.com/fli8

    They want it now and they want results and they have a time lag and funding lag and expertise lag but they want to suppress. Empty words.

    By trying to be at the same time at all the places in control they have overstretched themselves so much so that they are bumping into each other in confusion.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:38 pm

    Azi wrote:The US is secretly working slowly to take over Greenland. They pissed off some danish politicians who aren't stupid like shit.

    "Totally Unacceptable" - sputniknews.com
    I don't take a moral position, as there r 3 interested parties involved, but the process of liberation of Greenland, the biggest island in the world, from the small Kingdom of Denmark has begun. Nearby Iceland got its independence earlier & been prospering ever since while acting as a lilypad & unsinkable a/c carrier in the N. Atlantic.
    In today's world, Greenland's current status is anachronism.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:05 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Azi wrote:The US is secretly working slowly to take over Greenland. They pissed off some danish politicians who aren't stupid like shit.

    "Totally Unacceptable" - sputniknews.com
    I don't take a moral position, as there r 3 interested parties involved, but the process of liberation of Greenland, the biggest island in the world, from the small Kingdom of Denmark has begun. Nearby Iceland got its independence earlier & been prospering ever since while acting as a lilypad & unsinkable a/c carrier in the N. Atlantic.
    In today's world, Greenland's current status is anachronism.

    After the yanquis take over, Guam style, there will be no freedom from Denmark. There will be oppression by the yanqui occupants.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:11 am

    Yes, it may become another Cuba before Castro came to power.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:19 am

    Hahaha... I am sure extra military bases and strip mines for rare earth minerals will make Greenland a much better place to live...

    And BTW Tsavo... Greenland is only just over 2 million square kilometres Australia is a much bigger island at about 7 million square kilometres, and Antarctica which is about 14 million square kilometres...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:23 am

    extra military bases and strip mines for rare earth minerals will benefit some locals & bother others- just like elsewhere.
    Australia and Antarctica r the 5th & 6th continents, not islands.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:19 am


    Nuclear cargo ship Sevmorput will be delivering construction materials all the way down to Vostok station in Antarctica, I wonder if they will be building something bigger than usual there?

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/industry-and-energy/2020/02/nuclear-powered-container-ship-sevmorput-gears-antarctica-voyage



    It's currently shipping 15000 tons of construction materials to military base on Franz Josef Land in Arctic

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2020/04/nuclear-powered-container-ship-loads-15000-tons-construction-goods-sets-course


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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:36 am

    extra military bases and strip mines for rare earth minerals will benefit some locals & bother others- just like elsewhere.
    Australia and Antarctica r the 5th & 6th continents, not islands.

    Of course the rich land owners will suddenly get money for their worthless barren empty land that is no good for farming, but most of the population who liked going walking or hiking or hunting will struggle with being barred from going places they normally go.

    The land owners can take the money and run away somewhere else... the rest will be stuck there.

    Of course as they found in Africa... you can't make a living from hikers and people with cameras.... they wont spend thousands of dollars just to look at animals and take photos.

    Hunting is their escape... you can get someone to pay you $10,000, and you can take them out and they can shoot an old male animal that is done breeding and is of no use any more to the species, or perhaps a young deformed or sick animal might be the target. The money will pay for schools and hospitals and to stop the locals hunting out the animals you can get good money for. Everybody is happy except urban living green animal lovers in the west who don't understand what is happening.

    Doubt there would be much big game in Greenland.
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    Post  Hole on Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:51 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Nuclear cargo ship Sevmorput will be delivering construction materials all the way down to Vostok station in Antarctica, I wonder if they will be building something bigger than usual there?

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/industry-and-energy/2020/02/nuclear-powered-container-ship-sevmorput-gears-antarctica-voyage



    It's currently shipping 15000 tons of construction materials to military base on Franz Josef Land in Arctic

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2020/04/nuclear-powered-container-ship-loads-15000-tons-construction-goods-sets-course



    Something sinister is going on down there! VVP wants to annex Antarctica!
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:43 pm

    China is also building up her bases there, so Russia keeps pace. besides, Vostok needs expanding & improvement anyway.
    Perhaps we need a new thread dedicated to Antarctica or add it to the title of this 1!
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:11 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:China is also building up her bases there, so Russia keeps pace. besides, Vostok needs expanding & improvement anyway.
    Perhaps we need a new thread dedicated to Antarctica or add it to the title of this 1!

    I hope they build entire new complex down there on Vostok like those new bases on Kotelny Island in Arctic
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat May 02, 2020 7:47 pm

    History may soon be repeated in Greenland, this time to keep an eye on Russia & keep the Chinese out:
    https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2020-05-02/Times-Grenlandiya-stanovitsya-novim-polem

    https://vz.ru/world/2020/4/30/1037053.print.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZTxBrnCLMA

    Russian airfield in the Arctic will be able to take long-range bombers
    http://www.ng.ru/news/677649.html?print=Y

    Wrangel Island update:
    https://jamestown.org/program/completing-the-arctic-shield-russian-activities-on-wrangel-island/


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    Post  kvs on Sat May 02, 2020 9:09 pm

    The yanquis already use Greenland as their base. They have an over the horizon early warning radar in Thule. Even if they
    station the garbage, short-range subsonic F-35s in Alaska and Greenland, and deploy their non-existent icebreakers, they will
    have zero say over Russia's territorial waters and EEZ. The North Sea route that is currently viable hugs the Russian coast
    within Russia's territorial waters. So yanqui imperialists will have no say in ship traffic there.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed May 06, 2020 10:06 pm

    I know., it's ur opinion. But I don't really care what others think of me. If I don't like some posts, I either ignore them or reply with questions &/ rebuttals.
    BTW, Greenland is comparable to Alaska in size: http://www.comparea.org/GRL+US_AK

    They could aid in development & defence of each other. Also, mil. & civilian personnel/gear can be trained/tested there for future use in S. Ocean/Antarctica.


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    Post  GarryB on Thu May 07, 2020 8:12 am

    Offtopic discussion moved to the current talking bollocks thread in general chat section.

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t7216p950-talking-bollocks-thread-2
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu May 07, 2020 8:24 pm

    Russia barred the way for NATO warships in the Arctic
    http://www.ng.ru/armies/2020-05-06/100_200506arct.html?print=Y

    https://ria.ru/20200507/1571048263.html


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue May 12, 2020 9:37 pm

    https://jamestown.org/program/looking-beyond-china-asian-actors-in-the-russian-arctic-part-one/
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    Post  owais.usmani on Mon May 25, 2020 7:10 pm

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4035409.html

    Delayed construction of the North Pole ice-resistant self-propelled platform


    According to the newspaper Kommersant, in the material of Anastasia Vedeneyeva, the North Pole drifts to the right. The platform for polar research will be commissioned later ”, the deadline for the delivery of the unique ice-resistant self-propelled platform “ North Pole ” , which is being built at the“ Admiralty Shipyards ”, will be shifted by two years - by 2022. The price of the contract, including due to the adjustment of its parameters by the customer, will increase by 2–2.5 billion rubles.

    As Kommersant learned, the time and cost of building the North Pole ice-resistant, self-propelled platform increased . The ship is being built by order of Roshydromet at the Admiralty Shipyards belonging to the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC). Money for it — 6.96 billion rubles — was allocated from the budget as part of the program for the socio-economic development of the Arctic zone of the Russian Federation. It was assumed that the platform will be commissioned at the end of 2020 (see Kommersant on October 9, 2017).

    But, according to Kommersant’s interlocutors, due to significant changes to the project at the initiative of the customer, the cost of the vessel increased by 2–2.5 billion rubles, and the deadline was shifted to 2022. Corresponding assessments were carried out by the Center for Shipbuilding and Ship Repair Technology, Kommersant sources say.

    In Roshydromet, the request was forwarded to Kommersant to the Ministry of Natural Resources, where they did not answer it. The USC notes that the platform is a unique object, in the design and construction of which the corporation faced a number of new technical problems. For example, it was required to ensure the autonomy of the facility in terms of fuel reserves for two years, the related systems required improvement, the corporation explains. In addition, a lot of questions were related to the fact that the vessel will freeze in ice for a long time - it is necessary to provide both cooling systems and the availability of the propulsion system, they add there. OSK recalls that such an object has not yet been created in the history of shipbuilding. The corporation also notes that following consultations with the customer, the displacement of the vessel increased significantly, in connection with which, "work is underway to adjust the timing and price in the manner prescribed by law." A similar comment was provided by the Ministry of Industry and Trade.

    The contract for the construction of the North Pole between Roshydromet and the Admiralty Shipyards was concluded in April 2018. The length of the vessel is 83.1 m, the width is 22.5 m, the speed is at least 10 knots, and the hull strength is Arc8. The vessel will have autonomy in fuel reserves of about two years and a service life of at least 25 years. The crew is 14 people, the scientific staff is 34 people.

    The created platform will be able to independently move in the ice of small thickness and receive heavy helicopters such as Mi-8 AMT (Mi-17).

    The ship should continue the tradition of Soviet and Russian scientific expeditions, which since 1937 landed on drifting ice in the deep sea of ​​the Arctic Ocean. But in recent years, due to the melting of perennial ice, it has become increasingly difficult to find sufficiently safe ice floes.

    Prior to the commissioning of the North Pole, research in the Arctic was planned to be carried out as part of the international project of the Multidisciplinary Scientific Observatory for the Study of Arctic Climate (MOSAiC) at a drift station created on the basis of the German research vessel Polarshtern. In addition, 1.7 billion rubles. it was planned to spend from the budget in 2020 to use the captain Dranitsyn icebreaker Rosmorport as a drifting station frozen in ice . But, as the Green Snake Telegram channel reported at the end of April, the Ministry of Finance planned to withdraw this money to the government’s reserve fund. The ministry told Kommersant that “they are not commenting on information from sources.”

    Kommersant’s interlocutors who are familiar with the situation note that the uniqueness of the North Pole, changes to the documentation and restrictions in the context of a pandemic can be considered objective factors to increase the time and cost of the project.

    In addition, we are talking about the lead vessel, the creation of which is always accompanied by problems. Admiralty Shipyards have established themselves as an effective shipyard, successfully coping with the state defense order, and must meet the new deadlines, one of Kommersant’s interlocutors believes. At the same time, another source of Kommersant believes that the initial amount of the order and the period of its construction - only 2.5 years - were too optimistic for such a project.



    We recall from bmpd that the ceremony of starting the construction of the North Pole ice-resistant self-propelled platform of project 00903 (serial number 02404) for the Federal Service for Hydrometeorology and Environmental Monitoring of Russia (Roshydromet) was held at Admiralty Shipyards JSC on December 21, 2018. The official ceremony of laying the platform was performed at Admiralty Shipyards JSC on April 10, 2019.

    On March 30, 2018, Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 355 and Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 545-p were signed , which approved the design and construction of the North Pole ice-resistant self-propelled platform- a floating observatory for Russian research and environmental monitoring. The deadline for commissioning the platform was determined in 2020. The signed documents approved the decision on budget investments in 2018–2020 in the design and construction of the platform in the amount of 6966.6 million rubles (363 million rubles in 2018, 4325.6 million rubles in 2019, 2278 million rubles in 2020 ) The contractor for the design and construction of the platform was determined by Admiralty Shipyards JSC (St. Petersburg). The developer of the project is Vympel Design Bureau JSC.

    The contract between Admiralty Shipyards JSC and Roshydromet for the design and construction of the North Pole ice-resistant self-propelled platformwas signed in April 2018. According to the terms of the contract, the ship was supposed to be transferred to the customer in 2020.

    An all-weather research platform with the functionality of a research center, which has no analogues in the world, is designed to carry out year-round comprehensive scientific research in high latitudes of the Arctic Ocean. The vessel will be able to conduct geological, acoustic, geophysical and oceanographic observations, move in the ice without the involvement of an icebreaker, and receive heavy helicopters of the Mi-8AMT (Mi-17) type. Wintering while maintaining comfortable and safe working and living conditions at the polar station is possible at temperatures up to -50 C.

    Design characteristics of the LSP: length - 83.1 m; width - 22.5 m; displacement - about 10,390 tons; power of EU - 4200 kW; speed - not less than 10 knots; case strength - Arc8; autonomy in fuel reserves - about 2 years; service life - at least 25 years; crew - 14 people; scientific staff - 34 people. The North Pole ice-resistant self-propelled platform is built to the class of the Russian Maritime Register of Shipping: KM (*) Arc5 [1] AUT1-C HELIDECK-F Special purpose ship.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue May 26, 2020 7:29 am

    Interesting project... autonomy for 2 years... it is almost like a spaceship...

    Reminds me of those concrete bases in STALKER with the helicopter landing pad on top that can be dropped to provide a base for scientific research in the area.... only this is fully mobile.

    Will be interesting to see what it looks like.

    I wonder if it will be fitted with a gun, or perhaps those lasers they use to help break up really thick ice...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue May 26, 2020 8:04 am

    GarryB wrote:.... only this is fully mobile.

    Will be interesting to see what it looks like.

    I wonder if it will be fitted with a gun, or perhaps those lasers they use to help break up really thick ice...

    It's a civilian stationary platform

    It's not supposed to break ice, idea is for vessel to intentionally get stuck in ice and to drift with it for months/years while scientists do their thing in shifts

    It will only have basic mobility and will rely on icebreakers to tow them to desired location and leave them there to get iced in


    As for appearance it should be like this:

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    Post  owais.usmani on Thu May 28, 2020 1:48 pm

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/arctic/2020/05/new-barents-sea-port-will-get-railway-connecting-asia-arctic

    New Barents Sea port and 500 km railway link will connect Asia with the Arctic


    A 500 kilometer railway from Karpogory to Indiga is now on the table for for investment as part of Russia’s larger Arctic infrastructure strategy.

    “In general, it’s absolutely normal, uncomplicated terrain, there are no particularly expensive work,” acting Arkhangelsk governor Aleksandr Tsybulsky told reporters this week according to state-run news agency TASS.

    Construction of the railway, a side-track from the larger projected Belkomur line, is estimated at 200 billion rubles.

    Belkomur is the longtime planned rail line from Solikamsk in the Urals via Syktyvkar in the Komi Republic to Arkhangelsk by the White Sea. This railway across Russia’s European north will cut the distance from the Urals and Siberia to Arkhangelsk by 800 kilometers.

    In the village of Indiga on the coast to the Barents Sea, five milion dollars are already spent to prepare for the construction of a deepwater year-round port, TASS reports.

    More money is in the pipe when the large-scale construction work for the port facilities starts next year. Investments may exceed 300 billion rubles ($4,13 billion) before grand opening of the port in 2025, according to the private investment fund AEON Corporation.

    Russia’s new Arctic hub in Indiga will get a capacity to handle 80 to 200 million tons of cargo per year.

    Cargo to be shipped out to the ice-free Barents Sea via the port in Indiga includes coal, wood and paper, fertilizers and chemical products. This products aimed for the world markets will come from Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and China via the new railway.

    If in flow by 2025, the Indiga hub will be the first major linking Asia with the Arctic.

    China and Arkhangelsk
    Belkomur railway, though, is expected to give a big boost to shipping through the new Arkhangelsk deep-sea port as well.

    As previously reported by the Barents Observer, the deep-water port by the Dvina delta outside the city of Arkhangelsk will partly be built with Chinese funding.

    In 2016 the Arctic Transport and Industrial Centre Arkhangelsk signed an agreement of intent with the Beijing based Poly International Holding Co. on the deep-sea port construction.

    “The Chinese People’s Republic is for us a key partner in implementation of Arctic projects, including the bug ones, the most important,” former Arkhangelsk governor Igor Orlov said at the time.

    His successor, Aleksandr Tsybulsky now expects even more economic boost from the Belkomur railway and the side-track to Indiga.

    “We will be able to handle most export cargo, which is now shipped via St. Petersburg, and thereby offer economic conditions for our investors to be able to develop more actively and not waste money on transport,” Tsybulsky said to TASS.

    From China via Kyrgyzstan
    The acting governor points to Kyrgyzstan as a key player for bringing goods to the Arctic, both its own, and transit cargo from China.

    “Today, Kyrgyzstan is on the verge og making investment decisions on railway construction. They plan to build it across the country in order to transport Chinese good in transit, and then connect the railway network to neighboring countries,” Tsybulsky said.

    He elaborates on the volums: “If we first take Kyrgyz cargoes, it is not much of it. I think up to five million tons. We could then take some Chinese cargo. Plus we can take [from] Kazakhstan, with an annual agreement at the highest level, transit of about 30-40 million tons of coal.”

    Economically rational?
    Not everyone is convinced the changed patterns of Asia global cargo flow via the Arctic will happen in the speed projected by Russian authorities.

    Arild Moe, a Research Professor with the Fridtjof Nansen Institute in Oslo, Norway, has for decades studied Russia’s Arctic investments and sailings along the Northern Sea Route.

    He says to the Barents Observer that there are several plans on the table for development of north-south transport links.

    “The Belkomur railway, from the Urals to Arkhangelsk, has been under discussion for many years, without much happening on the ground,” Professor Moe says.

    He points to earlier plans for the Indiga port that turned out to be nothing.

    “Indiga was first planned as an LNG terminal, but that project has been abandoned. The investment requirements are very big,” Arild Moe explains.

    “It is not immediately clear why it would be economically rational to send goods from Central Asia or China via the Arctic if the destination is Western markets,” he adds.
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    Post  owais.usmani on Thu May 28, 2020 1:51 pm

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/industry-and-energy/2020/05/tankers-cross-russian-arctic-route-without-icebreaker-assistance

    Tankers cross Russian Arctic route without icebreaker assistance


    The sea ice along the Russian Arctic coast is quickly vanishing as temperatures in the region have been reaching record highs.

    With the retreating ice comes tanker traffic.

    It was the “Christophe de Margerie” that on the 19th May kickstarted this year’s shipping season across the eastern part of the Northern Sea Route. The vessel owned and operated by Russian shipping company Sovcomflot loaded up liquefied natural gas in Sabetta and is due to arrive in the Chinese port of Jingtang on the 11th June.

    It was the earliest east-bound shipment on the route ever for this kind of vessel.

    By 27th May, the ship had made it almost to the island of Wrangle, information from ship tracker service MarineTraffic shows. The “Christophe de Margerie” is accompanied by nuclear powered icebreaker “Yamal”.

    In the wake of the almost 300 meter long vessel now follow the “Vladimir Voronin”, a vessel that is operated by company Teekay. The “Vladimir Voronin” on the 25th May left Sabetta and was on May 27th located in the Vilkitsky Strait north of the Taymyr Peninsula.

    According to Marine Traffic, there is also a third tanker in the region.

    None of the latter two vessels are accompanied by icebreakers. The “50 Let Pobedy” that escorted the “Vladimir Voronin” out of Sabetta and eastwards towards the Vilkitsky Strait has now returned and appears to be on its way back to Sabetta.

    Ice maps by the Russian Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute show that there are open waters in the southernmost parts of the Laptev Sea and the

    East Siberian Sea. There is now only one-year old ice along the whole route contrary to last year when a belt of multi-year old ice covered parts of the East Siberian Sea.

    Ice layers on the Northern Sea Route have shrunk dramatically over a number of years and in September 2019 the ice sheet was at its second smallest level ever.

    Among the drivers of the sea ice melting are the quickly increasing temperatures.

    The year 2019 saw the second highest average temperatures in the Arctic ever, and the latest climate report by Roshydromet says that average winter temperatures along the Northern Sea Route, the waters located along the country’s Arctic coast, have increased by about 5 degrees since the 1990s.

    The “Christophe de Margerie” and “Vladimir Voronin” are part of a fleet of 15 vessels that serve the Yamal LNG project. They all have ice class Arc7 and can autonomously break through up to 2,1 meters of sea ice.

    The fleet of LNG carriers are instrumental in the major spike in shipping in the Russian Arctic. In 2019, a total of 31,5 million tons of goods were shipped on the Northern Sea Route, an increase of almost 60 percent from the previous year.

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