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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:18 pm

    Britain intends to increase military presence in the Arctic
    http://www.ng.ru/news/640177.html?print=Y
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:49 pm

    With an almost non existent navy and no I've breakers.

    Good luck morons.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:57 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Britain intends to increase military presence in the Arctic
    http://www.ng.ru/news/640177.html?print=Y

    Williamson gets  really desperate guess UK  economy must be in pitiful  state.  The best is he wants to  "teach China a  lesson"  with one semi  finished CV lol1 lol1 lol1
    I bet on 10-12 nucler tipped Kinzhals to equalize the whole  UK . I  dont think his puppeteers are not seeing this.





    miketheterrible wrote:With an almost non existent navy and no I've breakers.

    Good luck morons.

    it will be right after British Bulldog bites Chinese Dragon. Actually not bites to death but scratches, keeping teeth in dragons armor.
    Then the Dragon sits on its ass
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:06 pm

    They have 24 C-130Js/-30s, 8 C-17s & 20 A-400s, no need to send LHDs to deliver them there.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_C-130J_Super_Hercules#Operators
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_C-17_Globemaster_III#Operators
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A400M_Atlas#Operators
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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:06 am

    I bet on 10-12 nucler tipped Kinzhals to equalize the whole UK . I dont think his puppeteers are not seeing this.

    Yeah... the critical thing is that right now and for the next few years they don't even need nuclear warheads to be effective...

    They have 24 C-130Js/-30s, 8 C-17s & 20 A-400s, no need to send LHDs to deliver them there.

    Such a delivery would be difficult in an arctic environment where the opposing forces have some air defence capacity... including S-400 and improving all the time....

    I would say an air delivered force would be the only way to send troops and equipment in a more vulnerable way than a ship convoy...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:57 am

    They won't need to go past Norway, Iceland, Greenland & Spitsbergen. Russia won't be sending her marines there, but defend her possessions. Canada has her units in their Arctic & the US won't need British help in Alaska. Small SOF groups can be deployed from subs, like they were from the German U-boats.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:29 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:They won't need to go past Norway, Iceland, Greenland & Spitsbergen. Russia won't be sending her marines there, but defend her possessions. Canada has her units in their Arctic & the US won't need British help in Alaska. Small SOF groups can be deployed from subs, like they were from the German U-boats.

    UK doesnt want to play area denial games or to help anybody. UK wants tap to arctic resources. On Russia's expense of course. Why this war like rhetoric? will UK declare wt to Russia? good luck.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:10 am

    They want to train there, get used to Arctic cold weather ops., & put pressure on Russia. Also to prove that they too can operate there.
    If Russia's shelf claims r not honored, she can withdraw from UNCLOS & restore the Soviet Arctic sector boundaries, i.e. expanded EEZ.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:11 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:They want to train there, get used to Arctic cold weather ops., & put pressure on Russia. Also to prove that they too can operate there.

    besides attack on Russia is any other reason? dunno dunno dunno



    TsavoL wrote: If Russia's shelf claims r not honored, she can withdraw from UNCLOS & restore the Soviet Arctic sector boundaries, i.e. expanded EEZ.

    heh that would be good to see. russia russia russia

    But frst things first to protect strategic attck directions, northern route + mineral deposits.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:02 am

    besides attack on Russia is any other reason?
    They won't succeed unless Russia breaks apart. It's like bee trying to sting a tortoise. Russia can retaliate against the S. Georgia & Falklands with SLCMs.
    This could also be a cover to train for future ops in the Antarctic. The UK & Argentina has claims there. In 3 decades the Antarctic treaty will be up for renewal, plunging the future of the continent into uncertainty. ..After 2048, Antarctica could be carved up between nations like every other land mass and surrounding ocean, and slowly relieved of its resources:
    http://theconversation.com/in-30-years-the-antarctic-treaty-becomes-modifiable-and-the-fate-of-a-continent-could-hang-in-the-balance-98654
    https://www.ats.aq/e/ats.htm
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:50 pm

    https://strana.ua/news/187496-vlasti-ssha-zajavili-chto-arktika-dolzhna-byt-mezhdunarodnoj-territoriej.html

    If the US had as many icebreakers, those words would have more weight.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:14 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:https://strana.ua/news/187496-vlasti-ssha-zajavili-chto-arktika-dolzhna-byt-mezhdunarodnoj-territoriej.html

    If the US had as many icebreakers, those words would have more weight.

    get real mate, you quote Ukrop source which masturbates about US power. One moron said to make Russian waters free for US navy lol1 lol1 lol1


    SO how many ships were "enforcing freedom" in Russian waters round Crimea? lol! lol! lol!
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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:24 am

    The reason NATO is making so much noise about the Arctic is that Uncle Scumbag has plans to deploy his ship based ABM systems
    there. But these clowns are ridiculous. Those ships will be vapourized before they fire off their mystical Russian ICBM killers. In
    order for this not to happen NATO needs to deploy counter-measures in close proximity. Where are they going to do that? They
    already have Norway and Finland. They are not going to deploy on any Russian islands. And Russia will make sure that Aegis offshore
    is not be cruising off Russia's Arctic coast 24/7. Hostile warships are not covered by neutral waters transit.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:51 am

    What kind of countermeasures in Scandinavia r going to stop Russian AShMs fired from land, sea &/ air? Finland isn't going to do much for the US unless she wants to become another target.
    New Russian B/CMs can avoid the Arctic all together. SS/GNs escorting SSBNs in the Arctic can sink those ships too.
    IMO, they want to sail there to spy & prevent Russia & China from exploiting resources/NSR/high Arctic all by themselves.
    It's all part of economic war against both.
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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:04 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:What kind of countermeasures in Scandinavia r going to stop Russian AShMs fired from land, sea &/ air? Finland isn't going to do much for the US unless she wants to become another target.
    New Russian B/CMs can avoid the Arctic all together. SS/GNs escorting SSBNs in the Arctic can sink those ships too.
    IMO, they want to sail there to spy & prevent Russia & China from  exploiting resources/NSR/high Arctic all by themselves.  
    It's all part of economic war against both.

    Naturally, economics is a key variable. But here these clowns are ridiculous too. The prime oil and gas resources are essentially inside
    Russia's EEZ. So NATO is not going to be exploiting them. Nobody cares about mineral extraction from the sea bed. Most of the
    Arctic basin is metamorphosed sedimentary rock devoid of any fossil fuel resources.

    And for sure America is not going to be patrolling the ship lanes off of Russia's coast. It ain't so mighty and it will take it 20 years
    just to build enough serious ice breakers to matter. By then Russia will be even more powerful. The clowns in Washington are
    trying to bite off way more than they can chew.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:23 am

    Russia's extended shelf claims outside of the EEZ r suspected to have a lot of resources & in any case those planning to navigate there will also need Russia's permission.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11782413/Russia-claims-resource-rich-swathe-of-Arctic-territory.htmlArctic rush - Page 11 RussiaArtic_3091350c
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:18 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:What kind of countermeasures in Scandinavia r going to stop Russian AShMs fired from land, sea &/ air? Finland isn't going to do much for the US unless she wants to become another target.

    what counter-measures? scratch scratch scratch And why?

    they physically wont be able to get even close to Russian territories.
    Finland, Sweden has no access to Arctic , neither Denmark does (Greenland is danish colony not "metropolis").



    TS wrote: New Russian B/CMs can avoid the Arctic all together. SS/GNs escorting SSBNs in the Arctic can sink those ships too.
    IMO, they want to sail there to spy & prevent Russia & China from  exploiting resources/NSR/high Arctic all by themselves.  
    It's all part of economic war against both.

    US rear-admirals can say any hoggo-foggo but if US navy tries to enter Russian territorial waters we have WW3. Simply any CSG is going to be a fraternal-bed-of-honor in 20mins.

    Otherwise US wont be let even close. No Russian Arctic nobody enters unless allowed by Russia. vide China or India)
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:22 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Russia's extended shelf claims outside of the EEZ r suspected to have a lot of resources & in any case those planning to navigate there will also need Russia's permission.

    that must hurt a "exceptional" pirates, but life-is-life lol1 lol1 lol1 it is soo esy to set sanctions on US or British companies there
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:29 pm

    kvs wrote:The reason NATO is making so much noise about the Arctic is that Uncle Scumbag has plans to deploy his ship based ABM systems
     

    me thinks not only. So many deposits without owner? I mean without US/UK ownership.Smed s with SIberi - it mus go under international control lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  Hole Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:51 pm

    The russian claims (backed by scientific research) will extend the EEZ.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:38 am

    Hole wrote:The russian claims (backed by scientific research) will extend the EEZ.

    Russian military only help to secure extension so no stupid things like UK presence will be even seriously considered russia russia russia
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:21 pm

    Update on US strategy in the Arctic:
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2583549.html

    http://sudostroenie.info/novosti/20583.html
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    Post  kvs Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:55 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Update on US strategy in the Arctic:
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2583549.html

    http://sudostroenie.info/novosti/20583.html

    Yeah, sure. Russia's coastal waters "don't belong to anyone".

    Time for Russia to start setting precedents. Military ships engaged in force projection are not merely engaged in innocent passage.
    So they have no right to enter Russian territorial waters. Russia must also claim 30+ nautical miles of territorial waters. The US
    routinely declares itself the right to extend its maritime territory.

    It is important to recall that the only reason that merchant ships can traverse the Arctic Ocean is because Russia is providing
    support in the form of ice breakers and search and rescue services. In addition, "belongs to nobody" clearly does not apply
    to Russia's EEZ.

    So Washington and its minions can sod off.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:13 am

    Russia's coastal waters "don't belong to anyone".
    What he means is the area beyond the 12 mile coastal waters & the 200 mile undisputed EEZ; but huge areas r disputed. Btw, the US didn't ratify UNCLOS & isn't a party to it; it sees itself as the special nation above the law.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:44 am

    Borisov said that Russia "will not lose her" in the Arctic

    Russia will not cede its influence in the Arctic, since this region is in the zone of interests of Moscow. The corresponding statement was made by Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov.

    “This territory is the sphere of interests of Russia. We will not miss ours and will not give up, ”said Borisov in the program“ Moscow. Kremlin. Putin. "

    Earlier, the commander of the US Navy in Europe and Africa, Admiral James Foggo, frankly stated that the United States would apply all possible forces and resources to prevent the leadership of the Russian Federation in the Arctic region. According to him, Moscow is allegedly expanding its military presence in the Arctic, and in this regard, Washington does not exclude the possibility of a Russian-American conflict in the future.

    The Russian side, in turn, rejected the allegations of increasing its military presence in other regions and of any other actions aimed at violating the international order.

    In late February, the head of the Ministry of Natural Resources, Dmitry Kobylkin, said that Russia has every chance to expand the zone of the Arctic shelf zone in the Arctic Ocean.

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201903031757-allp.htm


    now lest look @ Williamson's face = priceless! lol1 lol1 lol1


    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    What he means is the area beyond the 12 mile coastal waters & the 200 mile undisputed EEZ; but huge areas r disputed. Btw, the US didn't ratify UNCLOS & isn't a party to it; it sees itself as the special nation above the law.

    so now US warmongers will wake up in brand new world russia russia russia

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    Engineers in the Chelyabinsk region have developed a data center for arctic conditions


    Scientists noted that the "Arctic data center" can be used in the petrochemical and gas industry, mechanical engineering
    CHELYABINSK, February 28. / Corr. TASS Alexander Chirkov. Engineers of the All-Russian Research Institute of Technical Physics named after Academician Zababakhin in Snezhinsk, Chelyabinsk Region, have developed a data processing center (DPC) that will allow forecasting changes in climate and the world’s ocean and solving technical problems in arctic conditions. Much of the engineering and computing equipment developed by the data center is produced in Russia, TASS reported on Thursday at the Research Institute.

    "The Russian Federal Nuclear Center has developed unique technical solutions that allow creating a data center of a complete architecture for regions of the country with relatively low air temperatures. Such a data center is able to work in arctic conditions. Our original engineering solutions effectively use low outdoor temperatures and allow using natural heat transfer processes for assimilation of heat surpluses of the main equipment of the data center without the use of vapor compression refrigeration machines, or not nachitelnogo their use under extreme loads and high ambient temperatures, "- a spokesman said.

    The Research Institute added that the "Arctic data center" can be used in industries such as the petrochemical and gas industry, engineering. It is suitable for solving problems of aerohydrothermodynamics, complex processes in the atmosphere and hydrosphere, the study of climate change in the Arctic region, for operational high-resolution forecasting of the state of the World Ocean, the study of the Earth's inner core, etc.

    "A significant component of the engineering and computing equipment for the" Arctic data center "is the equipment of domestic production," said the institute.

    The Russian Federal Nuclear Center - All-Russian Research Institute named after Academician E. I. Zababakhin is one of two world-class nuclear weapons centers operating in Russia.

    https://tass.ru/nauka/6169007




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