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    Project 677: Lada/Amur(export) class submarine

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    Post  AMCXXL Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:52 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    The St.Petersburg could be used as a school ship, repairing it and bringing it to the level of the others seems to me a useless waste of money.

    They laid one boat down to start with but then laid two more down later on... when they got the first into the water it didn't make the grade so they froze the other two subs so they could work on the first boat and go over everything and get everything working properly so the changes MADE to the first boat could be applied to the second and third to make them work as needed.

    That would suggest to me that the first boat was working, their might have been some fundamental changes needed but I doubt they would be drastic changes that completely redesigned the subs because they didn't scrap the next two that were already laid down and start again... they finished them based on testing and experience with the first boat.

    So you think the second and third had totally different parts and equipment than the first boat?

    If that is the case then wouldn't the second and third subs be completely different and require testing and operations to make sure it works as they expect, meaning the next subs based on this design would need to wait till these two new subs get tested in the water to avoid what happened with the first sub?

    It would be like saying the Su-35 fitted with a radar based on the system in the Su-57 and Su-57 engines and wing mounted radar and other equipment for testing and evaluation and when the Su-57 enters service that Su-35 should be scrapped...

    Well obviously that is a bad analogy because in this case the Su-35 is not a one off and any improvements fitting it with new equipment and engines and systems from the Su-57 would make the whole fleet of Su-35s even better even if it will never be as stealthy with external weapons only... but subs are way more expensive than aircraft, and also they don't have too many subs right now as a major problem, so why give up a sub you just likely spent good money working out the kinks and problems with, even if it just gets used for training or light duties or testing new experimental systems and weapons.

    Making it use the same systems and equipment as other subs in the class will use will make it easier to train to use and support.

    In any case, the B-585 was laid in 1997 and launched in 2004, it should not be used as a combat ship, but as a training ship or for testing.
    the rest of the ships can probably be delivered at the rate of one per year, starting with B-586 in 2023, B-587 in 2024 etc...

    At the moment, in addition to the B-585, there are 4 Ladas in different phases of construction and one more contracted in Armiya 2020, a total of 6 ships.
    Another one should be hired to retire the B-585 as a combat ship and maintain a homogeneous brigade of 6 Lada 677M

    I would also like to see this type of Lada ship in the Black Sea Fleet instead of the Varshavyanka and in a larger number, at least 8

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    Post  AMCXXL Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:04 am


    The submarine "Kronstadt" performed a dive in the sea range of the Baltic Fleet as part of state tests
    The crew of the Kronstadt submarine, as part of state tests, worked out a dive to a depth of 100 meters in the sea ranges of the Baltic Fleet.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:22 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:
    The submarine "Kronstadt" performed a dive in the sea range of the Baltic Fleet as part of state tests
    The crew of the Kronstadt submarine, as part of state tests, worked out a dive to a depth of 100 meters in the sea ranges of the Baltic Fleet.

    Thats a picture of a Kilo, not a Lada.  Foreplanes on the hull (retracted) instead of on the sail. No tailplane above water level. Gotta love these experts on Twatter. Razz

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    Post  AMCXXL Tue Sep 12, 2023 12:47 pm

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/18528109

    The Velikiye Luki submarine will be handed over to the Navy before the end of the year

    It was built by shipbuilders from the Admiralty Shipyards for the Northern Fleet
    PARK "PATRIOT" /Moscow region/, August 17. /TASS/. The Velikiye Luki submarine of Project 677 (code "Lada"), built by shipbuilders of the Admiralty Shipyards for the Northern Fleet (SF), will be transferred to the Navy by the end of 2023. The head of the enterprise, Andrei Veselov, told TASS about this during the International Military-Technical Forum Army-2023.

    “The delivery of the Velikiye Luki submarine to the fleet is planned before the end of the year,” he said.

    The diesel-electric submarine Velikiye Luki was laid down on November 10, 2006, re-keeled on March 19, 2015, and launched on December 23, 2022.

    The lead submarine of Project 677 "St. Petersburg" was in trial operation for a long time as part of the Northern Fleet. According to TASS sources, it is planned to be written off. TASS does not have official confirmation of this informatio



    However, on this other site it is stated that the submarine is for the Baltic Fleet, which is more logical if 6 Varshavyanka class will be destined for the Northern Flot and after Finland & Sweden's accession to NATO, which leaves the number of 17 NATO submarines in the Baltic between Germany (6), Sweden (4), Norway (6) and Poland (1)

    https://informpskov.ru/news/362114.html
    Velikoluchan residents summed up the results of the competition for the motto and coat of arms for the B-587 Velikiye Luki submarine
    22:50, 05 August 2021, PAI
    The submarine is the namesake of the city.

    The results of the competition to develop a coat of arms and motto for the B-587 Velikiye Luki submarine have been summed up. This was reported by a correspondent of the newspaper Velikolukskaya Pravda. News" with reference to the youth policy department of the education department of the city administration.

    In July, the best works were selected at a meeting of the organizing committee.

    Let us remind you that the B-587 Velikiye Luki is a Russian diesel-electric submarine laid down at the Admiralty Shipyards, which will be part of the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Navy.

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    Post  caveat emptor Tue Sep 12, 2023 7:01 pm

    Weren't Lada class suppose to be deployed to Northern Fleet to protect approaches and easier deployment of strategic nuclear subs in Barents Sea? Initial announcement for Kronstadt was also for Northern Fleet deployment, but last news indicated Pacific Fleet.
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    Post  George1 Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:26 pm

    Kronshtadt shouldn't be delivered ahead of Velikiye Luki?
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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Sep 13, 2023 12:25 am

    Yes it should, but it is still in state trials.

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    Post  Kiko Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:29 pm

    Russian company Rubin launches innovative submarine with lithium batteries, 09.22.2023.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The Russian company Rubin, a world leader in the submarine shipbuilding sector, has launched its innovative electric submarine Amur e600 with lithium-ion batteries.

    "The Amur e600 is an innovative export-oriented project. The submarine with a great autonomy does not require a demanding port infrastructure," the company's deputy general director Andrey Baranov told Sputnik.

    With a displacement of 600 tons, the new electric submarine with stealth capabilities can spend up to 17 days submerged and is specifically designed to operate in shallow waters.

    The Amur e600 project was presented for the first time in 2022 at the Army international defense fair in Russia.

    Founded in 1901 and headquartered in St. Petersburg, the Rubin Company is engaged in the development of nuclear and diesel-powered military submarines, naval drones, as well as submersibles for civilian use and offshore oil platforms.

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    https://sputniknews.lat/20230922/la-compania-rusa-rubin-lanza-submarino-innovador-con-baterias-de-litio-1143994057.html

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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:03 pm

    B-587 "Velikiye Luki"

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    Post  Mir Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:32 pm

    Looks like it's finally getting prepared for sea trails. Smile

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    Post  Krepost Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:06 pm

    Sonar calibration.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:51 pm

    KALININGRAD, November 14. /TASS/. The crew of the new Project 677 diesel-electric submarine Kronstadt made a deep-sea dive as part of factory sea trials at the sea ranges of the Baltic Fleet, the naval press service reported.

    “During a dive in the Baltic to a depth of 180 m, the crew of the Kronstadt, together with representatives of industry, checked the operation of all systems and mechanisms of the submarine, worked out an algorithm for operating the ship at great depths and with various methods of surfacing,” the report says. .

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    Post  AMCXXL Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:41 pm

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    Post  lancelot Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:33 pm

    The fact that the Lada is much smaller, yet has better sensors, and similar weapons capability means it would be way more suitable to operate in constrained bodies of water like in the Baltic.

    As usual HI Sutton proves his incompetence with his dumb reply. The Lada has half the crew of the Kilo due to improved automation of systems. Which means the boat needs much less living space and can be made smaller. Being double hulled or single hulled makes little difference.

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    Post  Isos Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:43 pm

    Size is more or less the same if you take out the double hull.

    Less living space needed but for crew confort they just made it bigger. Weapons and propulsion mostly impact the design, far more than crew's living space.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:47 pm

    But about the single hull. Is it want Russia wants at the moment or not?
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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:15 am

    Crew size is not just about space to sleep, but also about food storage and fresh water supplies, a smaller crew also makes it easier to operate for longer if you need to.


    As usual HI Sutton proves his incompetence with his dumb reply.

    I don't think he is stupid, he is actually quite smart and an expert in the field, but he has chosen a side so he has an agenda and will apply his knowledge to support one side and denigrate the other side... it is like a fine wine turning into vinegar because you kept it in a nice warm sunny place for years.

    Bit of a shame, but he picked his side.

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    Post  AMCXXL Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:13 pm

    According to the website of the Russian Ministry of Defense, the Ladas will be destined for the Baltic
    It seems that the change of plans is confirmed, given that another series of Varshavyanka for the Northern Fleet was announced
    Perhaps the Ladas have not achieved the expected autonomy or plans have been changed given the new level of threat in the Baltic and in the direction of the new Leningrad Military District.


    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12492237@egNews
    The Velikiye Luki submarine, built for the Baltic Fleet, entered factory sea trials in the designated areas of the Baltic Sea

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    Post  Mir Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:32 pm

    Good decision. The smaller Pr.667's are better suited for the confined waters of the Baltic.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:58 am

    Perhaps the Ladas have not achieved the expected autonomy or plans have been changed given the new level of threat in the Baltic and in the direction of the new Leningrad Military District.

    I suspect they have decided they need a better sub in there to ensure they can get supplies by ship to Kaliningrad and back via the sea route.

    This will be part of the consequences of Finland and eventually Sweden joining HATO and aggressive comments from Baltic states talking about a blockade of Kaliningrad and St Petersburg.

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    Post  Krepost Sun Jan 28, 2024 3:01 am

    Finally

    Acceptance documents for the KRONSHTADT have been signed.

    Raising the flag ceremony will be held early February.

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    Post  Krepost Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:49 am

    Size comparison: Lada and Yasen-M

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    Post  George1 Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:34 pm

    Kronshtadt submarine joins Russian Navy

    https://tass.com/defense/1739523



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    Post  George1 Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:38 pm

    Velikie Luki submarine to join Navy this year

    https://tass.com/defense/1739573

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    Post  Hole Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:13 pm

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    Is the auxillary vessel in the background (right corner of the pic) new?

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