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5th gen Husky-class nuclear submarine
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Isos wrote:http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-next-two-submarine-projects-feature-some-very-exotic-15618
Nonetheless, there some details that have emerged about the projected Husky-class follow-on to the Project 885M Yasen-class boats. For one, the new boats will come in two versions—which are being developed by the Malakhit Design Bureau—that will be based on a common hull design.
The primary difference will be in the two vessels’ weapon systems—the “interceptor” variant will not feature tubes to carry long-range anti-ship or cruise missiles. That version of submarine is expected to replace Project 971 Shchuka-B (NATO: Akula), the Project 945 Sierra and the remaining Project 671RTM Shchuka-class (NATO: Victor III) boats. The SSGN variant will replace the Project 949A Antey-class. The SSGN variant will also be armed with hypersonic Zircon cruise missiles.
The Russians are using the Project 855M Yasen-class as a starting point, but the new submarines will be smaller and cheaper than their Soviet-designed predecessors. Indeed, there are indications that Moscow will be extensively leveraging automation technologies developed for the Project 705 Lira-class attack submarine—better known in the West as the Alfa-class—for the new boats.
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So one variant will be like old Alfa-class "hunters" to kill US SSBNs
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George1 wrote:.........
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So one variant will be like old Alfa-class "hunters" to kill US SSBNs
Wasn't second version supposed to be SSBN?
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PapaDragon wrote:George1 wrote:.........
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So one variant will be like old Alfa-class "hunters" to kill US SSBNs
Wasn't second version supposed to be SSBN?
second version will be SS-G-N cruise missile submarine, SSBN is ballistic submarine
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George1 wrote:PapaDragon wrote:George1 wrote:.........
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So one variant will be like old Alfa-class "hunters" to kill US SSBNs
Wasn't second version supposed to be SSBN?
second version will be SS-G-N cruise missile submarine, SSBN is ballistic submarine
That is what I meant. Ballistic and cruise missile version.
That Lira revival was one of the theories floating on the net but I don't think they are serious about it even less so for liquid metal reactor.
Most likely is that ''experts'' let their Cold War porn leak into their articles. This is National Interest after all.
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PapaDragon wrote:George1 wrote:PapaDragon wrote:George1 wrote:.........
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So one variant will be like old Alfa-class "hunters" to kill US SSBNs
Wasn't second version supposed to be SSBN?
second version will be SS-G-N cruise missile submarine, SSBN is ballistic submarine
That is what I meant. Ballistic and cruise missile version.
That Lira revival was one of the theories floating on the net but I don't think they are serious about it even less so for liquid metal reactor.
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Well even if true SSGN does not mean it cannot carry Zircon or Calibers. 8 or 10 TA means you can make volley of 8-10 missiles if needed.
Most likely is that ''experts'' let their Cold War porn leak into their articles. This is National Interest after all.
I am wondering why National Interest is so widely quoted in Russian press after all? self appointing works better then objective evaluation or just because of (US ) name?
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Malachite Design Bureau has released the first official picture of 5th Gen Medium SSN/SSGN Husky , Displacement ~ 6000-7000 Tons
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I don't believe it is the real deal.
Just a futuristic looking model created by an artist.
The real deal is top secret.
Just a futuristic looking model created by an artist.
The real deal is top secret.
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TheArmenian wrote:I don't believe it is the real deal.
Just a futuristic looking model created by an artist.
The real deal is top secret.
yes, it resembles akula class
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That's real deal but it would be refined further, it's official Malachite pics
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TheArmenian wrote:I don't believe it is the real deal.
Just a futuristic looking model created by an artist.
The real deal is top secret.
The really interesting stuff is under the outer hull.
It is a double hull machine, and I haven't found information about it, but I think the CCCP/Russian submarines has low/high pressure compartment, hence the deep diving capability, and the automation of the sub.
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Looks aren't important for any ship what matters is the function, I don't know why the look is of nay concern.
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The English translation
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=3&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://ria.ru/arms/20170317/1490243609.html&usg=ALkJrhiUIwV4bCVCh8bdJblBZF9Jb638LA
"Husky" is on the way
Almost all the submarines of projects 885 Yasen and 955 Borey have been laid today, but the Navy leadership has repeatedly stated that the construction of nuclear submarines of this class will not cease - they are the guarantor of Russia's strategic stability and security. In this regard, we can hope that the laying of the head boats of new projects, which will take place on the Sevmash stocks, gradually being released after the Borei and Yaseney, is just around the corner.
The veil of mystery over one of such projects - the multi-purpose nuclear submarine of the fifth generation of the "Husky" - is gradually breaking down, in 2016 several details became known about the appearance of the promising Russian submarine.
In particular, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov said that "the development of a preliminary design for a prospective nuclear submarine of the fifth generation is currently underway, which will result in a decision on the timing of its creation."
The Saint-Petersburg Naval Bureau of Machine Building "Malakhit" traditionally deals with the development of multi-purpose nuclear submarines in Russia. The general director of the enterprise Vladimir Dorofeev noted that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation signed a contract for the development of a multi-purpose nuclear submarine of the fifth generation, and its construction will begin after 2020.
Readiness to begin work on the fifth generation in these terms is confirmed by Sevmash. The plant's general director Mikhail Budnychenko, in an interview with RIA Novosti, noted that the modernization of the company's facilities, which will enable the construction of a new generation of submarine cruisers, is to be completed by 2020.
"Currently, the modernization of the plant's capacities for the construction of modern nuclear submarines is actively going on, and this, of course, will serve as the foundation for the further construction of the new generation submarine cruisers." According to the current federal target program, the modernization of the enterprise should be completed by 2020, "Budnichenko said.
At the same time, Igor Ponomarev, vice president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) for military shipbuilding, stressed that the decision to build the Husk will be taken after consideration of the preliminary design of the prospective nuclear submarine, which will take about two years to develop.
The tactical and technical characteristics of the "Husky" to date, of course, are unknown. For the time being it is clear only that these submarines will combine the qualities of multi-purpose and strategic nuclear submarines, and their armament will be equipped with hypersonic cruise missiles "Cicron" capable of developing a speed that exceeds the speed of sound by five to six times.
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http://tass.com/defense/961526
Two years at least before first one is even ordered let alone laid down.
That leaves quite a lot of time for more Yasens and/or Boreis.
...As the United Shipbuilding Corporation reported earlier, the work to develop the outlook and the sketch of the fifth-generation Hasky-class nuclear-powered submarine will be finished within two years....
Two years at least before first one is even ordered let alone laid down. That leaves quite a lot of time for more Yasens and/or Boreis.
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Possible appearance of the 5th gen. "Husky" class sub....apparently the source of the pic is the Malachite Design Bureau
https://warhead.su/2018/04/09/vozmozhnyy-oblik-novoy-podlodki?utm_source=warfiles.ru
https://warhead.su/2018/04/09/vozmozhnyy-oblik-novoy-podlodki?utm_source=warfiles.ru
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Cyberspec wrote:Possible appearance of the 5th gen. "Husky" class sub....apparently the source of the pic is the Malachite Design Bureau
That's a big sub ! Are you sur ? It looks so more advanced than yasen. And doesn't look cheaper.
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Isos wrote:Cyberspec wrote:Possible appearance of the 5th gen. "Husky" class sub....apparently the source of the pic is the Malachite Design Bureau
https://warhead.su/system/images/000/098/900/content/11159788892e6f391980b707997bc139e4776765.jpg?1523279391
That's a big sub ! Are you sur ? It looks so more advanced than yasen. And doesn't look cheaper.
Bigger doesn't necessarily mean more expensive (not too much at least) and size makes sense if they want to use it as basis for SSBN variant down the road. It doesn't look too much larger than Yasen.
That front part is interesting, are those VLS cells? If yes this could be SSGN variant while they still plan to have stock SSN version so those frontal VLS cells would be common on all versions as basic armament in addition to torpedoes.
But then again it could just be concept art so who knows...
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From the link...
What do we see?
In the picture, obvious " missile" variant " Husky" - carrier complexes cruise missiles "Caliber", "Onyx" and perspective "Zircon". The boat is equipped with vertical launchers at the bow and missile compartment in the middle part of the body. The bow is used, apparently, " boat" modification with a modified 8 missile universal launcher.
In the middle of the hull can be seen eight more caps, under which are the same launchers. If we assume their commonality with launchers modernized " Ash" ( 885M project), then each of them can be placed four " Onyx" or five " Calibers". The plants in the bow of the boat, most likely, can be placed only "Calibers"
Thus, depending on the load, the boat can carry 40-48 cruise missiles of various types.
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Nice!
Weird thing in the bow doesn't really resemble VLS. Current trends in Russian submarine building favour big sonars in the bow and torpedos/missiles in the middle of the boat anyway.
So all in all it's just 8 VLSs in the middle of a hull or half of Yasen's capacity, which is consistent with official releases, signaling size much under Yasen's.
And that pump jet propulsor looks stealthy, too. Can't wait too see her get wet in 2-3 years!
Weird thing in the bow doesn't really resemble VLS. Current trends in Russian submarine building favour big sonars in the bow and torpedos/missiles in the middle of the boat anyway.
So all in all it's just 8 VLSs in the middle of a hull or half of Yasen's capacity, which is consistent with official releases, signaling size much under Yasen's.
And that pump jet propulsor looks stealthy, too. Can't wait too see her get wet in 2-3 years!
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verkhoturye51 wrote:Nice!
Weird thing in the bow doesn't really resemble VLS. Current trends in Russian submarine building favour big sonars in the bow and torpedos/missiles in the middle of the boat anyway.
So all in all it's just 8 VLSs in the middle of a hull or half of Yasen's capacity, which is consistent with official releases, signaling size much under Yasen's.
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Wrong
It's 8 missiles in the front and 32 in the middle, each of those launchers holds 4 missiles same as Yasen.
So that's 40 total
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It looks like it is a hybrid SSBN/SSGN concept with Bulavas at the back and cruise missiles up front.
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TheArmenian wrote:It looks like it is a hybrid SSBN/SSGN concept with Bulavas at the back and cruise missiles up front.
I dunno about that, it would be getting worst of both types.
8 Bulavas and 8 cruise missiles, that's really anemic no matter how you put it especially for ship of this size and price
I think that frontal missile package is standard self defense kit for all types
This here is SSGN variant, SSN omits central segment while SSBN gets larger central segment for ballistics missiles
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8 Bulavas and 8 cruise missiles, that's really anemic no matter how you put it especially for ship of this size and price
A smaller cheaper vessel, and you would have 16 of them instead of 8 Boreis...
I think that would be great in terms of SSBNs, but no so good for SSGNs... though I suspect with Zircon and future even faster longer ranged missiles they wont need hundreds of missiles to hit land and sea targets.
Perhaps they could build 16 smaller cheaper huskies for the SSBN role and convert the 8 Boreis into arsenal ships with 200 UKSK launch tubes each...
It seems cruise missiles are very useful tools for a variety of purposes and having tubes that can launch land attack cruise missiles, as well as hypersonic anti ship missiles and supersonic anti sub torpedo delivery rockets the needs of the Russian navy are changing...
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The forward part of the sub is quite interesting, for the missile carrier the forward missile compartment doesn't make sense.
The only reason why they should have it if they build independently the forward/rear part of the submarine, testing them independently, and marry them together in finished state with the middle section.
Like as the first three bories used up the akulas nose section.
And the number of missiles can change without any trouble.
The middle section of the submarine can be as long as they went, with only minor impact on the sub performance.
The only reason why they should have it if they build independently the forward/rear part of the submarine, testing them independently, and marry them together in finished state with the middle section.
Like as the first three bories used up the akulas nose section.
And the number of missiles can change without any trouble.
The middle section of the submarine can be as long as they went, with only minor impact on the sub performance.
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Didn´t they want to make the sub modular?