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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:04 pm

    "Ahead of schedule and in full": Kalashnikov fulfilled the 2021 state defense order for the supply of Vikhr missiles

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    Post  George1 Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:55 am

    The timing of the start of serial deliveries of the S-8OFP "Armored Boy" aircraft missiles to the troops has been announced
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    The newest aviation The S-8OFP Armored-Gunner missile will begin to be serially supplied to the troops no earlier than 2023. This was told by the executive director of "Tekhmash" Alexander Kochkin.

    According to him, which leads RIA News, The Ministry of Defense has not yet accepted the missile for service, the documents for it are being approved. Until these documents are signed, the military cannot purchase ammunition, despite their desire. Taking into account all the bureaucratic delays and manufacturing technology, there is no need to wait for serial missiles before 2023.

    Unguided missile "Armor-piercer" completed state tests in 2018, in 2019 a batch of missiles was launched for experimental military operation. It was supposed to be put into service this year, 2021. At least that was the plan and it was talked about in "Techmash". The reasons for this shift are unknown to us, perhaps there are objective reasons for the long adoption of the missile into service.

    As previously reported, the S-8OFP "Armored Boy" missile should complement the S-8 unguided missile family for use from aircraft and helicopters (Su-24/25, Mi-8 and others). It is designed to destroy light armored vehicles and surface ships at a distance of up to 6 km. Its peculiarity is that, depending on the task, it can explode when it hits an obstacle, in front of it or behind an obstacle. The caliber of the S-8OFP rocket is 80 mm, i.e. the same as its predecessors, but the charge power is much higher.

    https://en.topwar.ru/182308-nazvany-sroki-nachala-serijnyh-postavok-aviacionnyh-raket-s-8ofp-bronebojschik-v-vojska.html

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    Post  Atmosphere Wed May 12, 2021 3:32 am

    So what are the principles being used to increase the warhead's power?
    Is it the Chemical composition or pure weight increase?
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    Post  GarryB Wed May 12, 2021 9:41 am

    I would expect a more powerful rocket motor allows a heavier warhead as well as smart fusing so the warhead is more efficiently used on target.


    .... found this:

    Depending on the settings of the fuse, the "armor-breaker" is able to break through obstacles facing given targets, and it can also explode in front of and behind obstacles, while not collapsing and continuing to fly. "The engine of the S-8OFP is smaller than that of the S-8, the weight of the warhead is increased by 1.5 times. As a result, the efficiency increased 5-10 times," said Nikolay Makarovets, General Director of Splav, in November 2014.

    Источник: https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en.e08f23ef-609b69ff-9fb56067-74722d776562/bastion-opk.ru/s-8ofp/ ОВТ «ОРУЖИЕ ОТЕЧЕСТВА» A.V.Karpenko

    and this:

    The S-8OFP combines the properties of three types of missiles of the previous generation. This makes it possible to reduce the number of sorties required to solve assigned combat tasks by two to three times compared to the previous generation of NAR.

    Источник: https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en.e08f23ef-609b69ff-9fb56067-74722d776562/bastion-opk.ru/s-8ofp/ ОВТ «ОРУЖИЕ ОТЕЧЕСТВА» A.V.Karpenko

    From: http://bastion-opk.ru/s-8ofp/

    So essentially more powerful rocket fuel has allowed them to make a heavier warhead and its armour piercing design and smart fusing means the rocket can be used as a HE frag rocket for area targets in the open with a contact fuse, it can also have a delayed impact fuse for exploding inside a barrier like a wall or bunker, or it can be designed to penetrate a bunker and explode when it hits something inside the bunker.

    It therefore replaces three older rocket types with one rocket and at 6km range it has 1/3rd better range than most previous rocket types of that calibre.

    It can use optical guidance as an option too.

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    Post  thegopnik Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:22 am

    any data on speed, range size of these missile?

    https://naukatehnika.com/vertolyot-ka-52m-osnastili-novyim-kompleksom-upravlyaemogo-vooruzheniya.html

    Ka-52M helicopter equipped with new guided weapons complex #Авиация Denis Ilyin Yesterday at 3:43 p.m. 639 0 The strike vehicle can carry new anti-tank missiles "Whirl." Ka-52M with Vortex missiles on the outer suspension node of the wing console. Photo: https://commons.wikimedia.org The upgraded Ka-52M helicopter, which is being tested, is getting more details. Thus, during the presentation of new weapons to representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry at the Smolino test site, the Ka-52M with a new complex of guided weapons was shown. The upgrade allows the use of new anti-tank missiles "Whirl". New rocket for new helicopter Russian Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko said the new developments are superior to "existing designs." According to him, the new products can enter service "in the near future." First of all, we are talking about an upgraded Ka-52M attack helicopter. According to the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation, the car made its first flight in August 2020. It is known that the helicopter received a new optical-electronic system, a digital gun drive, and an upgraded sighting system. The Ka-52M will also be able to provide automated pairing with the Sagittarius ground reconnaissance complex. The Whirlpool-1 missile and the shipping container. Photo: Kalashnikov Concern Little is known about the modernization of the Ka-52M weapons, but recent tests of upgraded missiles allow us to talk about it. Thus, on May 26, the Kalashnikov Concern published footage of the tests of the upgraded Vortex missiles. During the tests, the "regular" Ka-52 successfully launched 22 missiles. It is possible that in May the complex, which received the Ka-52M, was tested. New and old Whirlwind-M The modified rocket is much like a basic model. The developers note that improvements have been achieved without changes in the basic tactical and technical characteristics. In particular, the probability of hitting the target with launches from short distances increased, and the overall stability of the missile in flight increased. Recall, the anti-tank missile system "Whirl" began to develop in 1980 in the Tula KB Device. The complex was put into service in 1985, but only the modernized version of the Whirlwind-M, which entered service in 1990, entered mass production. Since 2014, the complex began to enter the army. The 40 kg rocket is equipped with a 12-kg tandem (cumulative-shard) combat part, which allows to hit up to 750 mm armor for dynamic protection. The Vortex develops a supersonic speed of more than 600 m/s, so that the rocket travels a distance of 4 km in just 9 seconds.

    Источник контента: https://naukatehnika.com/vertolyot-ka-52m-osnastili-novyim-kompleksom-upravlyaemogo-vooruzheniya.html
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:17 pm

    Normal stats for the old missile are generally given as 610m/s flight speed (the elevation of the launch tubes is needed because the high speed of the missile means it needs to be pointed directly at the target for launch so it does not have to pull a hard turn to hit it.)

    The range is generally given as 8km from the Ka-50 and 10km from the Su-25TM.

    Accuracy is astonishing... given as about 80cm at 8km range for CEP @50%.

    So 50% of missiles fired will land within 80cm of the point of aim, so 95% of missiles will land within four times that size or a 2.4m circle diameter around the point of aim.

    It has two nose mounted control surfaces instead of the normal four to reduce costs... it rolls in flight so course corrections are implemented in flight.

    I suspect the reduced costs of servo motors has led to four nose mounted flight control surfaces to improve flight performance and manouver accuracy.
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    Post  Flanky Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:48 am

    Is there any news on S-8KOR? Did they abandoned the idea of having guided S-8 rocket? Or they actually finished its development but it was not adopted?
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:15 pm

    They are introducing new box shaped launchers that can be stacked and have features like built in wireless charging to keep drone based rockets charged ready for launch.

    There was an article about new guided rockets a while back... I think the heavier rocket in 122mm calibre for the S-13 rocket pods was called monolith and there were other models in other calibres that were also being developed.

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    Post  Flanky Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:05 pm

    GarryB wrote:They are introducing new box shaped launchers that can be stacked and have features like built in wireless charging to keep drone based rockets charged ready for launch.

    There was an article about new guided rockets a while back... I think the heavier rocket in 122mm calibre for the S-13 rocket pods was called monolith and there were other models in other calibres that were also being developed.

    Any pictures?
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    Post  George1 Sun Aug 22, 2021 1:29 pm

    The newest Mi-28NM and Ka-52M combat helicopters will be equipped with the Product 305 missile.

    https://tass.com/defense/1328741

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    Post  TMA1 Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:15 pm

    There it is. A beauty. Four of those on two pylons per helicopter.

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    Post  medo Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:32 pm

    It looks like it was developed from AT-2 falanga...
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:19 pm

    medo wrote:It looks like it was developed from AT-2 falanga...

    Definately not, it's a much bigger missile with a warhead mass several times of the Falanga not to mention the range difference

    It's looks like a mini Kh-25 or Kh-29, with a lot less explosive power but also far lighter and suited to attack helicopters. Not an AT missile either although it can certainly be used as such.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:37 am

    An NLOS ATGM with 25kms range, IIR seeker, inertial guidance, a 2-way encrypted datalink and a 25 kg warhead, all in a 105 kg package. Whats not to love? love

    Mi-28NM and Ka-52M will be able to locate a high value enemy target (or receive the co-ords from a 2nd party) then launch from a concealed location. IGU handles the trajectory until LOS is achieved and then IIR controls the attack trajectory.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:02 am

    At 230m/s it is not particularly fast, but it looks very interesting... another new tool for dealing with terrorists and those foolish enough to poke the Bear.


    Mi-28NM and Ka-52M will be able to locate a high value enemy target (or receive the co-ords from a 2nd party) then launch from a concealed location. IGU handles the trajectory until LOS is achieved and then IIR controls the attack trajectory.

    With a two way datalink troops under fire from the target could call in an attack which could be launched from over 20km away without the helicopter ever seeing the target... they could fly it in and pin point the target as it approaches... I guess the low missile flight speed would mean it could select a target or reselect a new more dangerous target in flight which would not only be very useful but would beautifully compliment the new Pine missile two stage high speed missile... fired from a launch tube looking like a Spiral AT-6 Shturm launch tube... they said they were extending its range to 20kms so it would be a high speed laser beam riding alternative to this much slower missile... they would be excellent compliments... hit the air defence systems with the fast missiles and then start picking off everything else with the slower missiles better able to pick out priority remaining targets.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:04 am

    In theory the Morfei missile could be based on this but instead of a heavy 25kg HE warhead it could have a much smaller lighter warhead and rather more high energy rocket fuel for a high speed short range interceptor missile... the two way datalink and IIR seeker could be reused...
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    Post  George1 Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:31 am

    The first public demonstration of the LMUR rocket
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    At the seventh International Military-Technical Forum "Army-2021" taking place in Kubinka from August 22 to 28, 2021 for the first time, a new long-range guided helicopter missile "Product 305" LMUR (light multipurpose guided missile) developed by JSC "Scientific and Production Corporation" Design bureau of mechanical engineering "(KBM, as part of JSC NPO High-Precision Complexes of the State Corporation Rostec). Long-range guided helicopter missile "Product 305" LMUR (light multipurpose guided missile) developed by JSC "Research and Production Corporation" Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering "(KBM) in the exposition of the International Military-Technical Forum" Army-2021 ". Kubinka, 08/22/2021 (c) Mikhail Zherdev

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    It is known that the missile "Product 305" LMUR was originally developed by KBM in the interests of the FSB of Russia to equip special versions of Mi-8 (Mi-8MNP-2 and others) helicopters of the FSB aviation, on the basis of the aircraft missile "Product 79 "(Originally ordered, apparently, as an analogue of the famous British Brimstone missile). Serial production of LMUR missiles was started for the FSB in 2016, after which the missile also began to be purchased for the helicopters of the army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces, and, according to a number of data, the Aerospace Forces was used with great success from modified Mi-28N and Ka-52 combat helicopters in combat. in Syria. Currently, the LMUR rocket is considered as one of the main types of guided weapons of the modernized Mi-28NM and Ka-52M VKS helicopters. and is also demonstrated at the Army-2021 forum as part of the armament of the Ka-52M helicopter. At the Army-2021 forum, the missile was exhibited under the 305E index, which indicates that it received an export sample as well.

    According to the official data of the KBM announced at the Army-2021 forum, the 305E rocket has a mass of 105 kg, a length of 1945 mm, and a body diameter of 200 mm. The mass of the high-explosive fragmentation warhead is 25 kg. The solid-propellant engine provides a flight speed of up to 250 m / s, a declared controlled firing range of up to 14,500 m, and a flight altitude of 100 to 600 m.

    The missile guidance system is combined, with inertial-satellite guidance on the marching sector and a round-the-clock thermal imaging homing head for aiming at a captured target. The missile is tracked by radio, and in the final guidance section, it can be retargeted at the commands of the operator from the helicopter crew. The standard mode of application, as can be judged, is the launch on a visually visible target. An invisible launch is possible, but reportedly requires a high level of operator skill.

    The LMUR rocket is launched from helicopters from the APU-305 launchers, designed for one or two missiles.

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    Long-range guided helicopter missile "Product 305" LMUR (light multipurpose guided missile) developed by JSC "Research and Production Corporation" Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering "(KBM) in the exposition of the International Military-Technical Forum" Army-2021 ". Kubinka, 08/22/2021 (c) Mikhail Zherdev

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    Upgraded Ka-52M combat helicopter and a long-range guided helicopter missile "Product 305" LMUR (light multipurpose guided missile) developed by Scientific and Production Corporation "Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering" JSC ( KBM) in the exposition of the International Military-Technical Forum "Army-2021". Kubinka, 08/22/2021 (c) Mikhail Zherdev

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    Post  TMA1 Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:14 am

    Incredible. Also note the pylons. They have that strange cap in front to protect the iir nose. Also they are the single pylons not the dual ones.

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    Post  Mir Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:15 pm

    Question. The KH-38M is already mated with the Ka-52K. Granted it is larger and heavy but offers far superior range and capability - why not just stick with it? Both are available for export I presume?

    Then you also get the Hermes...

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:08 pm

    Yeah, that made me wonder either dunno
    The answer can be the warhead difference, but it is quite a questionable reason.
    Ch-38 uses a warhead up to 10x heavier than both 305 and Hermes scratch
    Flight speed and path differ, too.
    Maybe they found a niche for all of them, or maybe they just don't want to put all the eggs to one bucket.
    Who knows scratch

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