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    Russian Helicopter ATGMs

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Dec 01, 2021 10:15 am

    Ch-38 is kinda heavy, it is a real serious gear.
    I was already wondering about a niche for 305 scratch and can't find one if we consider a 15km range, at all.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:07 pm

    Another excellent and long article from The Warzone, this time on the 305 LMUR. Just ignore the comments.

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/is-russia-using-its-advanced-new-anti-armor-missile-in-ukraine
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    Post  Isos Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:30 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Ch-38 is kinda heavy, it is a real serious gear.
    I was already wondering about a niche for 305 scratch  and can't find one if we consider a 15km range, at all.

    New threats new roles for weapons. I guess they will quickly improve the range to 20km to make most nato shorads useless.

    Normal atgm with less than 8km range put helicopters in new AD system's engagement zone.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:28 am

    In a sense the LMUR can be considered a replacement AS-10/Kh-25ML, a 10km range laser homing missile with a 90kg warhead and ability to hit point targets to 10-12km or so...

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    So a 25kg warhead for a weapon that weighs the same as an R-73 AAM delivered 15km to target.

    In comparison the Kh-25ML is about 320kgs and has a 90 kg warhead to about 10km range.

    With two LMUR per weapon pylon that means 50kgs of warhead for 200kg of missile weight and precision guidance that allows the missile to fly into enemy held territory and be guided towards hidden targets... sounds like a good improvement.

    I would expect later models have longer range... on the Combat Approved TV show about the latest model Havoc they had this missile all blurred and described it as being the this weapon and didn't they say its range was about 25km?

    Can't remember...
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    Post  RTN Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:06 pm

    GarryB wrote:With two LMUR per weapon pylon that means 50kgs of warhead for 200kg of missile weight and precision guidance that allows the missile to fly into enemy held territory and be guided towards hidden targets... sounds like a good improvement.
    It gets better......Tesla Electric power supply and chips from the German company Telefilter goes in the designing of this missile.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:25 pm

    Good, so they will lose money when they change to domestic materials...
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    Post  lyle6 Sun Jul 31, 2022 1:12 pm

    RTN wrote:
    It gets better......Tesla Electric power supply and chips from the German company Telefilter goes in the designing of this missile.
    That's why Mr. 305 is also Mr. Worldwide Razz
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    Post  Hole Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:52 pm

    RTN wrote:
    GarryB wrote:With two LMUR per weapon pylon that means 50kgs of warhead for 200kg of missile weight and precision guidance that allows the missile to fly into enemy held territory and be guided towards hidden targets... sounds like a good improvement.
    It gets better......Tesla Electric power supply and chips from the German company Telefilter goes in the designing of this missile.
    So someone dismantled a complete missile and found the stuff? No, just more western BS.

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    Post  RTN Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:38 pm

    Hole wrote:So someone dismantled a complete missile and found the stuff? No, just more western BS.
    Humor me, if not western what local electric power supply and chips are being used in the LMUR?
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    Post  Werewolf Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:37 pm

    RTN wrote:
    It gets better......Tesla Electric power supply and chips from the German company Telefilter goes in the designing of this missile.

    Can you link a source to this?
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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:52 pm

    Werewolf wrote:

    Can you link a source to this?
    It is a claim Piotr Butowski made in Drive article.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:05 am

    This gets to the core of western arrogance and ignorance.... they used western components in a weapon, so now they can't use western components they wont be able to continue making the weapon.

    I would suggest being a military weapon and also brand new they designed and built it with the best available components at the time... while Russian components were being developed and made... they will have an initial production batch of the missiles they would have made for testing and early operational use, and then when the missile gets into serial production and use they will make more and they will use any bits they can get to make the first ones and then replace them when Russian products can replicate or exceed the performance.

    I would say these are first production models... but find it amazing because western components for Russian military stuff has been a banned export situation since 2008 with Georgia... so some western companies are bypassing sanctions rules... very funny... but money is involved.

    When you say electric power supply I guess you mean batteries... they have already invested a lot of money in new generation battery technologies and equally for chip production, so they likely already have replacement material either in production or ready for production soon.

    Using inferior batteries and chips from other sources would allow production to continue in the mean time anyway.

    Either way, this further cuts off trade between Russia and the west while at the same time allowing Russia to develop technology they can use in the rest of their weapons technology and also sell to the rest of the world.

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