Russian Helicopter ATGMs

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Militarov wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

GarryB wrote:

I am sure they will be testing Hermes on the Ka-52K as well as other platforms.

What do you mean "will be". This mounting was shown back in 2009. If hermes-A is still not ready then there is a severe problem with the management that needs a stalin-esque purge. The time for "will" is long gone, now there is "ASAP".

Placing empty containers on hardpoint does not equal missile development and integration on combat platform you know. Hermes is still not ready judging by recent reports and seems it wont enter service for a while, hopefully development will be finished though 2017 and IOC will start in 2018. Again, hopefully. Some firing tests were held in 2015. and 2016. that is what we know.

Here you can gasp how far back whole project we call Hermes actually goes: http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/hermes/hermes.shtml

So you're saying the situation is even more effed up since the development is going for 13 FUCKING YEARS already? Tanks are developed and put into service faster.

Militarov wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

Militarov wrote:

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

GarryB wrote:

I am sure they will be testing Hermes on the Ka-52K as well as other platforms.

What do you mean "will be". This mounting was shown back in 2009. If hermes-A is still not ready then there is a severe problem with the management that needs a stalin-esque purge. The time for "will" is long gone, now there is "ASAP".

Placing empty containers on hardpoint does not equal missile development and integration on combat platform you know. Hermes is still not ready judging by recent reports and seems it wont enter service for a while, hopefully development will be finished though 2017 and IOC will start in 2018. Again, hopefully. Some firing tests were held in 2015. and 2016. that is what we know.

Here you can gasp how far back whole project we call Hermes actually goes: http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/hermes/hermes.shtml

So you're saying the situation is even more effed up since the development is going for 13 FUCKING YEARS already? Tanks are developed and put into service faster.

Actually Hermes-A was first time mentioned in 1995. in magazine "Авиация - Kосмонавтикa".

GarryB wrote:

What do you mean "will be". This mounting was shown back in 2009. If hermes-A is still not ready then there is a severe problem with the management that needs a stalin-esque purge. The time for "will" is long gone, now there is "ASAP".

Hahaha... I have a book from KPB tula from 2001 with mockups of the Hermes missile... do you think that means anything?

If there is a will, and i hope there is, Hermes could be used on Su-34/Su-30 same way Brimstone is used on Typhoons.

Would be interesting if they developed a smaller free fall model without the rocket booster to be released from high altitude from UCAVs... with a glider wing package or something.

So you're saying the situation is even more effed up since the development is going for 13 FUCKING YEARS already? Tanks are developed and put into service faster.

Grow up child.

WTF is the point of putting into service a missile with a range of 20km when the in service attack helos that would carry it can't detect targets at more than 8-10km at best?

Right now the Mi-28NM is getting near production and its mast mounted radar should be able to detect larger targets at 20-25km (ie buildings and bridges etc as well as tanks and IFVs). So now it starts to become useful... but even if it was ready right no in service aircraft could even use its capabilities... Vikhr is in service and much cheaper... as is Krisantema and Ataka.

George1 wrote:Missile codenamed ‘item 305" had been developed for the Mi-28NM helicopter may be received by Ka-52 also

https://tass.com/defense/1066655

GarryB wrote:I very much doubt the Russian military will be saying to KBP that whatever they make of Hermes it has to be better than Brimstone...

the russian military will have a fairly specific set of requirements in terms of speed, guidance options, range and effect on various types of target types... and they will all be unrelated to Brimstone.

Sujoy wrote:

GarryB wrote:I very much doubt the Russian military will be saying to KBP that whatever they make of Hermes it has to be better than Brimstone...

the russian military will have a fairly specific set of requirements in terms of speed, guidance options, range and effect on various types of target types... and they will all be unrelated to Brimstone.

A nice feature of the Brimstone is that in certain situations a "man-in-the-loop" is not required so it becomes a fully autonomous missile. This is enabled through the fire-and-forget, MMW-only mode that can probably be enabled via a software role change

This mode provides through-weather targeting, kill box-based discrimination and salvo launch. If the kill box was large and the missile had the ability to loiter to search the kill box, like a TASM or Harpy, then the operator could let the weapon search for and find the correct target. The operator could potentially launch the missile into a wide kill box where enemy operations were suspected, but with little to no information about specific targets. In those cases, the weapon could be reasonably said to be choosing its own targets.

Brimstone’s most innovative feature is actually not an ability to loiter to search for targets, but rather the ability for the missiles to cooperate to ensure they don’t hit the same target.

https://mbdainc.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Brimstone2-Data-Sheet_Nov-2015.pdf

magnumcromagnon wrote: Amusing that you think that's impressive, P-500 Bazalt/P-1000 Vulkan had this ability 35-40 years before the introduction of Brimstone

magnumcromagnon wrote:I always find it amusing when users think the West pioneered autonomous missiles

Sujoy wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote: Amusing that you think that's impressive, P-500 Bazalt/P-1000 Vulkan had this ability 35-40 years before the introduction of Brimstone

P 500 was a cruise missile not an ATGM, but that aside, if this feature is not impressive then why did the P 500 have it?

magnumcromagnon wrote:It's not impressive because it's Western implementation is 40 years late.

magnumcromagnon wrote:BTW, while we're speaking on space missions, this is how the West (The New York Times) perceived India's space program's late entry in to the Mars mission club:



If the West can mock India for being 'late' in developing missile/rocket technology, why can't the West be mocked for doing the same?

Sujoy wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:It's not impressive because it's Western implementation is 40 years late.

West caught up 40 years late that's correct, but the full autonomous technology per se is impressive.

I was trying to locate what is the Russian equivalent of the Brimstone that can be fired from helicopters or even fighter jets.

Sujoy wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:BTW, while we're speaking on space missions, this is how the West (The New York Times) perceived India's space program's late entry in to the Mars mission club:



If the West can mock India for being 'late' in developing missile/rocket technology, why can't the West be mocked for doing the same?

I'm aware of this.  India is not respected in USA/West and is mostly known for call centers, starvation, silly paganism, and of late rape. Indians generally capture headlines in the US for "stealing" American jobs.

However, CIA had tried its best to sabotage India's space program. They were successful to a certain extent but not entirely

https://www.news18.com/news/india/isro-spy-case-may-have-been-cia-plot-to-sabotage-indias-cryogenic-progress-former-scientist-1558579.html

GarryB wrote:I would have said Hermes, but this new EO guided missile seems fairly similar

magnumcromagnon wrote:Vikhr-1