The Situation in the Ukraine. #28

GarryB wrote:

I did see a video a few weeks ago where a Russian general described it was outdated soviet tech and subsonic and therefore able to be shot down by Russian defences quite easily.

I would not underestimate it... it is not a bad missile, but it is intended for being carried by medium fighters and helicopters... you would need three or four hits to destroy a destroyer sized ship, though one would stop it doing what it was doing.

It is very similar in performance to Harpoon and Exocet... which can also be dangerous in the right situation.

Of course the consequence of using it against Russia makes it suicide... it is not stealthy nor too fast to stop.... against an unprotected bridge it should hit no problem, but against a military ship... decoys and jammers and self defence weapons would be a problem.

The Kiev regime and its NATzO backers would opt for a bomb or set of bombs planted on the bridge or driven onto it with cars or
trucks. This way they can claim that the bridge was attacked by locally discontented rebels. And rub their hands with glee.

If staging such acts of terror (real terror and not Hezbollah type alleged terror) was that easy in Russia, then we would have
and incident almost every day. Russia has learned through the 1990s and 2000s how to deal with proxy militancy. Kiev
will not be inventing any wheels.

RTN wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Let's wait and see when Ukraine starts to produce even small arms ammo for any NATO army.

Already producing ATGMs. Some in collaboration with Poland and Turkey. Ukraine is also producing assault rifles in house.

Ukraine has turned Poland into its tributary state. It also receives help from countries like Australia, Canada, Germany, U.K., U.S.A., and possibly others.


They are doing better than many people realize.

This is an anti-material rifle produced in Ukraine:





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJlSRhKXhpw



They like the other countries to think they are poor because that is how they get lots of foreign aid.

So the Pukrainian jackasses may have just shot themselves in the foot yet again. The color revolution that they're supporting in Belarus has backfired and may see all hydrocarbon products sharply rise by 25% in costs for Pukrainians.

The price of gasoline may jump by a quarter: Ukraine is concerned about a possible strike of Belarusian refinery workers


Against the background of rave reviews in a number of Ukrainian media outlets about the protests that are taking place in Belarus these days, sober assessments of what is happening have also begun to sound.

Ukraine suddenly remembered that the import of petroleum products from the Republic of Belarus accounts for about a third of all purchases for the Ukrainian economy. In this regard, Ukrainian experts in the field of fuel and energy complex have a concern, which is formulated in the following way: "What will happen if the strike in Belarus is supported by oil refining enterprises?"

It is noted that in this case, the situation for Ukraine can develop as follows. Belarus will sharply reduce exports of petroleum products to Ukraine for the simple reason that the country itself may face an acute shortage of gasoline, fuel oil and diesel fuel. In this regard, to maintain the Ukrainian economy at least at the current level, we will have to look for alternative suppliers.

If such suppliers are the countries of the European Union, then the cost of gasoline in Ukraine in a short time may increase by at least a quarter. And if we talk about prices that for Ukraine would remain at the same level, then there is only one option-to sit down at the negotiating table with Russia.

To date, the price of a liter of AI-95 gasoline at Ukrainian gas stations (at the current exchange rate) is about 72-78 rubles (translated into Russian currency). If the price really jumps by a quarter, then it can overcome the bar of 100 rubles for a liter of 95-th gasoline. And this is already quite European prices.

It is also worth adding that Ukraine used relatively cheap fuel from Belarus to maintain its military equipment in combat readiness. A sharp reduction in supplies, if any, due to the potential involvement of Belarusian refinery workers in a strike, could also hit the Ukrainian army. In connection with all of the above, Ukrainian experts say they hope that the Belarusian oil refineries will "continue their work in the same format." An interesting approach is to be happy about strikes, for example, at the MTZ and MZKT, and to grieve about possible strikes at oil refineries.

https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/https/topwar.ru/174198-cena-na-benzin-mozhet-podskochit-na-chetvert-na-ukraine-ozabotilis-vozmozhnoj-zabastovkoj-rabochih-npz-belarusi.html

https://www.stalkerzone.org/tatiyana-kuzmich-head-of-a-russia-friendly-public-organisation-was-arrested-by-the-sbu/

miketheterrible wrote:https://www.stalkerzone.org/tatiyana-kuzmich-head-of-a-russia-friendly-public-organisation-was-arrested-by-the-sbu/

But Navalny was poisoned by Putin....





Real oppression does not make the NATzO fake stream news coverage.

You laugh but that is exactly what Germany, France, UK and rest are all trying to say. Sans evidence of course.

miketheterrible wrote:You laugh but that is exactly what Germany, France, UK and rest are all trying to say. Sans evidence of course.

I am not laughing. I am angry. But Russia will not fall because of Navalny. Merkel and friends will only get Uncle Swine-shit's schlong deeper
up their rears by going with this pathetic smear psyop.

This brought me up short this morning. Took me back. So sad.

Man's inhumanity to man. Those who light the blue touch paper just didn't care about what they would, if the even thought about it, describe as 'collateral damage'.

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A small tribute to a 13 y.o. Kirill Sidoryuk who saved his sister in 2014 by covering her with his body when Ukrainians started to shell the streets of Lugansk. He was killed instantly, his sister was injured but survived because he protected her.

Ah, that is sad, poor kid.

I applaud the courage he showed.

Looking at what's going on Belarus, I think the main goal wasn't even to make Belarus a U.S. vassal (they probably knew it wasn't going to work) but to drive a even bigger wedge between the Eeeeeewww (EU) and the Federation. Here's what I believe what were going to start seeing 2021 and beyond.

1.) The U.S. State Dept will probably meet up with the UrinePeons and try convince them with ultimatums. The ultimatums would be 100% cutoff of all trade with Federation (including gas) or get both severe sanctions (like the type they given Iran) and Color Revolutions of their own. Naturally the servile Baltic states will happily oblige, while the stronger Euro states (like Germany and France) would resist, they would be targets of Color Revolutions.

- Macronroni will likely see U.S. sponsored  non-profits attempt to hijack the Yellow Vests, either successfully or to create a doppleganger astro-turf movement that they completely control (which they will likely use to suppress and undermine the Yellow Vest movement). They'll try to get Macaroni to resign similarly to what happened to Charles de Gaulle, they'll either successfully get him to resign or get him to capitulate to U.S. demands.

- Another Color Revolution will brew in Doucheland to oust Ferkel Merkel. U.S. intelligence will likely dust off their compromising files they have on Ferkel Merkel and her East German sycophant father and his role in spying and getting East German denizens to be kidnapped and sent to their deaths at the hands of the East German Stasi. There's probably enough real dirt on Ferkel Merkel to bury her without the need to fabricate anything, and Axel Springer's media cartel (and his fellow travelers) will go ham attacking Ferkel. Again like with Macaroni, Ferkel will either have to resign or capitulate to Uncle Sham's demands.

2.) While the U.S. is strong-arming the UrinePeons, Uncle Sham will likely goad the Ukunts into finally pulling out the Minsk agreement, and using the Belarus protests as an excuse to do so. The U.S. will probably push for the heaviest military assistance yet, with actual armored vehicles that have been conveniently 'written off' the books, manned with mercenaries with the final last push to conqueror the Donbass. Naturally this will fail miserably, but this will be besides the point because Uncle Sham with the media shitstorm caused by US  maligned aligned Euro media, will finally convince the EU to completely cutoff all trade with Russia. In response, the Federation will likely completely untie Novorussia's forces, and have them successfully retake the entire SE of Ukraine...the results of which will completely catch HATO by surprise.

From here we can probably eventually see the Federation support prying away Greece and Cyprus from the US/EU as further response to complete decapitation of EU/RU trade. I may go further in to this later.

As usual, NATzO just assumes that the initiative is in its hands. If they really try to cut Russia off, then Russia will trample all over their ambitions in the ex-USSR. So
far Russia has been bending over backwards trying to engage EU-tardia, but the patience with these sanctimonious, bloody hypocrites is wearing thin.

I think some of the deciders in Washington think that they can use Ukraine to launch Operation Barbarossa II and will get GDP windfalls like they got during
WWII. These retarded lunatics will get nothing and I think that the rest of the deciders are marginally aware that this ain't 1941. Any war on Russia
means being glassed.

Ukraine’s former Prime Minister Oleksiy Honcharuk

The only Ukr Banderatards would use Rus in any song is if they claimed it was Ukr territory in the great Ukr nation that supposedly existed
1000 years ago. Which exists only in the minds of Banderatards.

VARGR198 wrote:https://twitter.com/sbobkov/status/1303771704297099264

According to Forum rules you have to add a short description not just put the Twitter link.

This is a very nasty incident with video and should carry a warning. This is from it

Ukrainian nationalist paramilitary thugs (#Azov + National Corps) attack a bus full of their political opponents from “Patriots for Life” and bluntly murder people in broad day light on #Kharkov-#Kiev highway.

JohninMK wrote:

VARGR198 wrote:https://twitter.com/sbobkov/status/1303771704297099264

According to Forum rules you have to add a short description not just put the Twitter link.

This is a very nasty incident with video and should carry a warning. This is from it

Ukrainian nationalist paramilitary thugs (#Azov + National Corps) attack a bus full of their political opponents from “Patriots for Life” and bluntly murder people in broad day light on #Kharkov-#Kiev highway.

There are no children using this forum (except grown up babies like SS) and special snowflakes don't count.

There will not be a single report on this crime in any NATzO and fellow traveller MSM.    Meanwhile the Navalny "no nerve damage" "neurotoxin" poisoning hate propaganda will be trumpeted far and wide.

There will be no calls from EU-tards and NATzO for the adherence to democratic standards.   Instead we will have murder apologia when it finally arrives as "reports" with pure Nazi style
dismissal of the victims as "Putin's agents".

If the FUCKING west engages in this crap, Putin needs to have some NATzO assets offed for real both inside and outside Russia.    Russia playing by some worthless rules
only gives its rabid enemies delusions of invincibility.   The best response in game theory to deprive the opponent of any advantage is tit for tat.

Also, it is time to bitch slap Merkel for her blood libel against Russia. Let her and the rest of EU-tardia eat supposedly yanqui LNG. It will be coming from 3rd parties such as Qatar.
The EU deserves to be at the mercy of Uncle Swine-shit and his middle eastern minions.

Recall the coverage by the NATzO fake stream media of the conflicts former Yugoslavia. The term "Serb paramilitaries" and "mass graves" was drilled
into my brain 24/7. The "Serb shelling of Sarajevo" was bleated over and over. Now compare to the coverage of the Donbass conflict:

1) Not one single mention of "Kiev regime paramilitaries" such Azov which are the bulk of Kiev's "ATO" punitive operations.

2) Not one single mention of mass graves even though these have been unearthed in several locations where Azov and its
nazi pals have murdered dozens of villagers.

3) No mention of indiscriminate shelling of villages and towns by Ukr regime forces.

The above video shows you what this slime is like. So of course no NATzO "information" source will touch it. Watch it while
you still can before the NATzO censors at Twitter pull it down for BS "community guidelines violations". Twitter never
censors Islamic terrorist propaganda videos showing murder of hostages.

Garry, do you think you should repeat the warning in one of the general site threads?

GarryB wrote:

There are no children using this forum (except grown up babies like SS) and special snowflakes don't count.

Well we don't know that because it is an open forum... I really have no idea how old any of you are.... my estimates can change from post to post for some...

Point is that some people choose to look at forums at work or in public places, so a link with no information that shows videos of people murdering other people or whatever else it might show needs to have some sort of description or warning.

"This may offend" is not good enough.

That could be anything from someone burning a specific book, which might upset a few people, through to obscene disgusting things everyone would be offended by.

So with the mod had on, links on their own without description may be deleted without warning.

If any complaints are received and there is no warning they definitely will be removed and the member who posted it will get a warning or perhaps a break from the forum depending on the situation.

To be clear I am not saying you can't post adult material, but warnings need to be clear and potentially objectionable material needs to be as a link and not a photo or video.

To be clear porn is banned, so no porn.

The linked video was edited to remove graphic content by blurring. What are the guidelines on posting already softened video? What would be the point of linking
a video where the "graphic" content was completely excluded? The linked video is nothing like real graphic content where a captive Russian soldier is decapitated
with a knife by Wahabi militants in Chechnya. In fact, the linked video is something you can find on CNN et al. Blurred images of victims being subjected to violence
is normal procedure for regular television and should be good enough for this forum.