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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:15 pm

    "..with rebuilding Arctic air bases, they could serve in other bases as well." I doubt they would be based there. With so few, why risk exposing them to more harsh environment & losing them w/o possibility of ever recovering? MiG-31Ms armed with Kinzhals & better armed SU-34s r more capable interceptors & AShM carriers than SU-33s:
    Guns: 1 × 30 mm Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-301 autocannon with 150 rounds
    Hardpoints: 12 × external hardpoints with a capacity of up to 6,500 kg (14,300 lb) of ordnance and provisions to carry combinations of:
    Rockets:
    S-8KOM/BM/OM
    S-13T/OF
    S-25OFM-PU
    Missiles:
    Air-to-air missiles:
    8 × R-27R/ER/T/ET
    4 × R-73E
    Anti-ship missiles:
    Kh-31A
    Kh-41
    Anti-radiation missiles:
    Kh-25MP
    Kh-31P
    Bombs:
    RBK-500 cluster bomb
    Up to 500 kg (1,100 lb) bombs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-33#Specifications

    Guns: 1 × 30 mm Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-301 autocannon with 180 rounds[106]
    Hardpoints: 12 × wing and fuselage pylons with a capacity of 8,000–12,000 kg (17,600–26,500 lb)[50][51] and provisions to carry combinations of:
    Rockets:
    B-8 rocket pods for 20 × S-8KOM/OM/BM
    B-13 rocket pods for 5 × S-13T/OF
    O-25 rocket pods for 1 × S-25OFM-PU
    S-80FP
    Missiles:
    Air-to-air missiles:
    2 × R-27R/ER/T/ET
    2 × R-73
    2 × R-77
    Air-to-surface missiles:
    Kh-29L/T/D
    Kh-38MAE/MKE/MLE/MTE
    Kh-25ML/MT
    Kh-59ME/MK/MK2
    Kh-58
    Anti-ship missiles:
    Kh-31A/AD
    Kh-35U
    P-800 Oniks weight of 1500 kg with a range of up to 300 km and a speed in the range of numbers M = 2.2–3.0. Officially not in service.
    Kh-41
    Anti-radiation missiles:
    Kh-25MP
    Kh-58
    Kh-31P/PD
    Cruise missiles:
    Kh-36
    Kh-65S/SE
    Kh-SD
    Bombs:
    KAB-500KR TV-guided bomb
    KAB-500L laser-guided bomb
    KAB-500OD guided bomb
    KAB-500S-E satellite-guided bomb
    KAB-1500KR TV-guided bomb
    KAB-1500L laser-guided bomb
    OFAB-250-270 bomb
    OFAB-100-120 bomb
    FAB-500T general-purpose bomb
    2 × BETAB-500SHP
    P-50T bomb
    ODAB-500PM bomb
    RBK-500 cluster bomb
    SPBE-D bomb
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34#Specifications_(Su-34)
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:21 pm

    VMFAF will receive the 1st modernized Tu-142 this year, to upgrade with SVP-24 Targeting System
    http://www.ng.ru/news/626561.html?print=Y

    today this aircraft "is becoming a multi-role machine."
    The Russian Navy’s marine aviation plans to use the Il-114 as a close-in maritime zone patrol aircraft. "We’re studying in detail these aircraft, including the Il-114. The work goes on, and we’ve got an engineering prototype flying with all sorts of onboard systems. We’re trying to adapt it to various functions, to produce the most effective machine in its class," the officer said. According to Kozhin, "this aircraft will be used to protect the close-in maritime zone. The demand for the aircraft will depend on the results of the test." https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/august-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/6461-russian-navy-to-upgrade-tu-142-mpa-with-svp-24-targeting-system.html

    I was expecting this.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:42 am

    They are outdated. Their huge rcs makes it an easy target for any new fighter.

    RCS is not as important as many people seem to think...


    First of all with new carriers with AWACS platforms onboard then nothing reduces RCS like not having to use your own radar.

    Another aspect is that aircraft never operate alone so one aircraft could be blasing away with a huge powerful radar scanning for targets but passing on that information to 5 other aircraft in the formation... the enemy will see the active aircraft, but how will they know there are five other aircraft there?

    The Su-30M programme actually intended the Su-30M to operate its radar and search for targets in a mini AWACS role controlling a flight of smaller lighter cheaper aircraft that would close with the enemy position radar and radio silent to launch missiles and then withdraw... an enemy would detect the Su-30M some distance away and then all of a sudden missiles suddenly appear close by with lots of energy because they haven't flown 100km from the Su-30M, they flew 30km from the MiG-29SMT... so you are well inside their no escape zone...

    Equally future advances in radar technology... if claims made today are to be believed, suggest stealth is not going to be that useful in the future with radars becoming rather more effective instruments than they are today.

    You are not seeing Almaz Antei complaining about Russia selling S-400s to Turkey because Turkey is getting F-35s, but you do see the Americans jumping up and down because Turkey is buying S-400s... are they afraid that their claims of stealth might not measure up to reality?

    Perhaps American F-35s are going to be stealthy but models sold to international partners wont be and that is the secret they want to hide?

    Either way a nice big Flanker should be able to carry a rather large powerful radar... if they are not that stealthy anyway they wont mind using it and detected enemy platforms in view... if they were highly stealthy they would avoid trying to use their radar for fear of giving away their location.

    Of course the Su-33 should be able to carry the external targeting pod carried by the PAK FA which should allow passive targeting on the cheap too.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:22 am

    You are not seeing Almaz Antei complaining about Russia selling S-400s to Turkey because Turkey is getting F-35s, but you do see the Americans jumping up and down because Turkey is buying S-400s... are they afraid that their claims of stealth might not measure up to reality? Perhaps American F-35s are going to be stealthy but models sold to international partners wont be and that is the secret they want to hide?
    The Israeli F-35s r no less stealthy.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_Israeli_procurement#Changes_from_standard_F-35A

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/israels-air-force-might-have-the-ultimate-weapon-custom-25983

    The US wants to justify cancelling Turkish participation in the F-35 by citing the S-400 buy after Ankara got in bed with Iran, Russia & most recently the EU. Iran provided an F-14 & F-4 to the USSR after 1979 regime change; the US & Israel don't want their latest fighter compromised. https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/11/20/Iran-gave-the-Soviet-Union-US-F-14-Tomcat-and/2779501310800/


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    Post  LMFS on Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:25 am

    @GarryB:

    An Israeli general mentioned recently that stealth was going to live 5 to 10 years... and I think he was trying to be polite Very Happy
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    Post  medo on Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:06 pm

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    Post  medo on Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:38 pm

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/largest-russian-drills-to-be-held-in-the-mediterranean/

    DAMASCUS, SYRIA (5:35 P.M.) – Up to 25 Russians warships and 30 aircrafts will involve in drill in the Mediterranean Sea on September 1-8, the Russian Ministry of Defense said.

    “In accordance with the training plan of the Russian Armed Forces, large-scale drills of the grouping of forces (troops) of the Russian Navy and the Aerospace Force will be conducted on September 1-8, 2018 in the Mediterranean Sea under the direction of Navy Commander-in-Chief Admiral Vladimir Korolyov”, the ministry announced.

    “In the international airspace, training tasks will be practiced by about 30 aircraft, including the strategic Tu-160 missile-carrying bombers, the Tu-142MK and Il-38 anti-submarine warfare planes, Su-33 fighter jets and Su-30SM aircraft of naval aviation”, the ministry added.

    It seems Su-33 return to Syria for naval drills. Any more informations or pictures for Su-33 in Syria? Did they go through additional upgrades after the first tour in Syria on Kuznetsov? It looks like NAVY more like Su-33 than MiG-29K and this time Su-33 operate from ground airbase, not from carrier. Presence of Su-33 in this exercise and no presence of MiG-29K could indicate, that Su-33 crews are getting ready to take this kind of job over Arctic sea.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:48 pm

    The E. Med. Sea isn't similar to the Arctic & they could have done their training there. It's to keep their skills honed while the Adm.K is in the yard & add to the # of other fighters in Syria available just in case.  We would have heard of any significant upgrades on them by now.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:24 pm

    Presence of Su-33 in this exercise and no presence of MiG-29K could indicate, that Su-33 crews are getting ready to take this kind of job over Arctic sea.

    It could be that the Su-33 needs more operational testing... I rather suspect that the MiG got modern testing of new tactics during its more recent development, while the rather older Su-33 was tested and evaluated a lot longer ago, so there are likely more tests to do on it.

    The MiG-29 they operate was fully multirole from the design inception, whereas the Su-33 was more of an interceptor with very basic unguided air to ground capability with unguided rockets and bombs... pretty much an Su-27P with folding wings and tailhook and structural strengthening... for operations in Syria it would have a variety of roles including interception (drones and any foreign planes that wandered into the wrong place to be escorted back to where they should be) and light bombing, as well as recon missions and perhaps even information gathering... including receiving target information from ground forces and engaging new targets in real time... even just the basics of mission planning and execution it is valuable experience.
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    Post  medo on Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:26 pm



    Short video from naval exercise in Mediteranean sea. At 3:40 we could see take off of a pair of Su-33 from Hmeimim air base. A confirmation, that Su-33 are actually there. On the video they carry only Sorbtsia ECM pods and R-73 AAMs.
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    Post  medo on Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:08 pm

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    Another Su-33 b/n 78 is equipped with pylons 11 and 12, which are used for air to graund armament. New pylons, which Su-33 got with modernization after Syria could indicate, that it got upgraded FCS computer to integrate them. Maybe it finally get some guided weapons like TV guided bombs KAB-500Kr and missiles Kh-29T. Maybe even anti-radar missiles Kh-31P as it already have L-150 Pastel RWR.
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    Post  hoom on Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:53 am

    The EW pods are new for Su-33 also aren't they? (apologies if previously discussed)

    Interesting that there is significant post-Syria upgrades happening, I thought Su-33s were supposed to be in process of being replaced by the MiG-29K Suspect

    Edit: watching that video on previous page Ka-29 sure is a weird bird.
    I had always just assumed its essentially a Ka-27 stripped of ASW gear -> navalised troop transport with some rocket pods.

    From recollection there was footage of them using ATGMs in Syria which was a huge surprise to me.
    This vid shows up another surprise: apparently its got a nose gun Shocked
    Ru Wiki says
    built-in four-barreled mobile machine-gun unit 9A622 of 7.62 mm caliber with an ammunition of 1,800 rounds, controlled by the navigator-operator. The machine gun is installed in the nose of the fuselage and has the ability to rotate from 0 ° to −31 ° down, as well as to the left by 28 ° and to the right by 30 °

    I don't remember seeing any sign of a nose gun turret, maybe a Ka-50 style side mount? dunno So I went hunting for pics...
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    Nope wtf I don't see where it is/can be scratch

    Well there it is, behind a nose door Shocked
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    Also can mount gun-pods
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    And even fixed 30mm
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    So its actually got the firepower of a Hind as well as capacity for 16 troops (presumably not both at once?)
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    Post  Hole on Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:26 am

    The 30mm gun and ATGM´s are used in attack mode.
    The small gun in the nose is carried when transporting troops.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:54 am

    The US wants to justify cancelling Turkish participation in the F-35 by citing the S-400 buy after Ankara got in bed with Iran, Russia & most recently the EU. Iran provided an F-14 & F-4 to the USSR after 1979 regime change; the US & Israel don't want their latest fighter compromised. https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/11/20/Iran-gave-the-Soviet-Union-US-F-14-Tomcat-and/2779501310800/

    Oh dear god what is this bullshit?

    Bodansky... who gave no sources for the information... because he just pulled it out of his ass.

    What a load of total bullshit... are you retarded?

    Iran gives the Soviet Union access to former CIA sites in Iran and total access to F-4 and F-14 aircraft and weapons... in the 1980s... at the same time as actively supporting the Muj in Afghanistan FIGHTING THE SOVIETS... yeah of course they will hand over the technology of their best fighter plane to the Soviet Union who is openly supporting Iraq in the Iran Iraq war that is going on in the 1980s... Iraq used T-72 tanks... what tanks did the Iranians use... sure as hell weren't T-72s...

    ...oh dear god... my favourite:

    In the United States, military experts said it would not be considered a great loss if the Soviets did receive the F-14s since the technology is known. They pointed out that the Soviet Foxbat already uses technology from the F-14 and F-15. The Tomcat has been in service since 1972.

    So the Foxbat... whose first flight was 1964 uses technology stolen from the F-14 in the 1980s whose first flight was in 1970, but also from the F-15 whose first flight was in 1972....

    Damn... the real problem was not that Iran didn't do this... the real problem is that the Russians have a TARDIS...


    That guy is rambling...

    Bodansky said that since late 1980 the Soviets have been building the Moslem Revolutionary Guards as an organized military force that would eventually be able to take over the army.

    'By this, they not only remove from the scene the only credible pro-Western organization in Iran but have made Iran, a country at war, dependent on the Soviet Union for its military supplies,' he said.

    WTF the Iranians overthrew the pro US government in 1979... Iran has been anti west since then... the Soviets did not build up any military force within Iran... that is the sort of shit the west did to put their nutter in power there in the first place.

    My god that is the dumbest article I have ever read... in fact I am putting that website on the blocking list for my fire wall...


    An Israeli general mentioned recently that stealth was going to live 5 to 10 years... and I think he was trying to be polite

    I wouldn't say it was totally useless, but if the entire design is compromised for the purpose of stealth then you might have problems in the future even if IR technology improves let alone radar technology.

    The 30mm gun and ATGM´s are used in attack mode.

    The 30mm gun ammo is stored in the troop transport area, so it means you either carry the gun or troops but not both.

    The Ka-29 is a very interesting aircraft, but the 7.62mm four barrel gatling gun is very very limited... the limits of the projectile means it only becomes effective at a distance where a ground target shooting at you with a 12.7mm or bigger weapon really has you in its sights.

    It would be useful against a small boat or a floating mine, but would otherwise be a moral weapon...
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    Post  George1 on Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:58 am

    Baltic Fleet Aviation Returns to Chkalovsk Airfield

    As the press service of the Western Military District reported on October 4, 2018, about 20 crews of the 72nd naval aviation base of the Baltic Fleet embarked on a flight from the Chernyakhovsk airfield to the Chkalovsk airfield [in Kaliningrad] after completing its large-scale reconstruction.


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    Su-24M and Su-30SM airplanes from the 72nd naval aviation base of the Baltic Fleet at Chkalovsk airfield (Kaliningrad), 10/05/2018 (c) “Vesti Kaliningrad”


    In the course of the planned work on the reconstruction of the Chkalovsk airfield, a modern concrete pavement was laid on the runway, taxiways and aircraft parking areas, allowing all types of modern military and civil aircraft to land. The characteristics of the runway, improved during the renovation, now allow multiple aircraft to take off simultaneously.

    The capabilities of the airfield for the placement of aviation equipment were also significantly expanded - parking and taxiways were significantly increased. Safety lanes are equipped.

    During the reconstruction, a great deal of work was done on upgrading the drainage system, electricity supply and lighting networks, and communication systems.

    Currently, the updated airfield can accommodate more than five different types of aircraft.

    From the side of bmpd, we recall that the airfield Chkalovsk near Kaliningrad has traditionally been one of the main bases for combat aircraft in the Kaliningrad region. The reconstruction of the airfield Chkalovsk by the forces of FSUE "Spetsstroy" has been carried out since 2012. During the work, the aerodrome runway was reconstructed, the length of which was increased from 2,600 meters to 3,100 meters, which makes it possible to receive aircraft of any class, new aircraft parkings were made, modern communication lines and power lines were replaced, radio engineering and lighting equipment was built, a new one was built complex of ground structures.

    During the reconstruction of the Chkalovsk airfield, the aviation of the 72nd naval aviation base of the Baltic Fleet stationed on it was relocated to the nearby Chernyakhovsk airfield.



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    Post  Hole on Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:25 am

    3.100m runway length means bombers can operate from there.
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    Post  medo on Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:23 pm

    They build very wide parking area in Chkalovsk. They couls easily build roofs for planes there.
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    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:25 am

    Baltic Fleet Aviation Received Five More Modernized Ka-27M Helicopters

    As the head of the press service of the Western Military District, Colonel Igor Muginov, reported to the TASS news agency on October 5, 2018, the Maritime Aviation of the Baltic Fleet was armed with modernized Ka-27M helicopters to search and detect submarines.

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    Comment bmpd. With the receipt of these five modernized Ka-27M anti-submarine helicopters, the total number of modernized Ka-27M helicopters in the Baltic Fleet aviation, according to known data, reached seven units, and in the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy as a whole - 22 units.

    Recall that the modernization of the Ka-27PL antisubmarine helicopters into the Ka-27M variant is carried out at the Kumertau Aviation Production Enterprise JSC (KumAPP, part of the Russian Helicopters JSC). In December 2016, KumAPP transferred the first eight serially upgraded Ka-27M helicopters to the Russian Navy, which were upgraded under a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense dated January 2013. Of these, six helicopters entered the aviation structure of the Northern Fleet, and two - in the composition of the 859th Center for combat use and training of the flight personnel of the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy in Eisk.

    Subsequently, KumAPP implemented the following contract of 2014 with the Ministry of Defense of Russia for the modernization of another 14 Ka-27PL combat helicopters for the Ka-27M variant, ten of which were commissioned in 2017, and another four - in 2018. Including two modernized Ka-27M helicopters (commissioned in 2017) entered the Baltic Fleet in early 2018, and now five more Ka-27Ms upgraded under this contract have been transferred to the Baltic Fleet. According to available information, of the rest of the Ka-27M helicopters upgraded under this contract, six (commissioning 2017) arrived in 2018 in the Pacific Fleet, and another in the 859th Center in Eisk.

    In September 2018, the management of the Russian Helicopters JSC announced the conclusion in the near future of an additional contract for the modernization of two more helicopters under the Ka-27M variant.

    According to KumAPP’s accounting statements for 2015, the cost of KumAPP’s first contract for the repair and upgrading of eight Ka-27M helicopters was 2.785 billion rubles, and the second contract for upgrading 14 Ka-27M helicopters was 5.311 billion rubles. Thus, the contract price of repairs with the modernization of one machine amounted, respectively, 348 and 379 million rubles.

    The Ka-27M modernization program has a long history, and in its current version (product "27D2"), two modernized Ka-27PL helicopters with tail numbers "0909 black" were used as prototypes (serial number 09-09; year, then additionally upgraded as the first prototype Ka-27M in the mid-2000s) and "48 blue" (serial number 012-01, re-equipped in 2008). The act of completion of state tests Ka-27M was signed in the summer of 2017. The Ka-27M helicopter is equipped with a new "radar command and tactical system" developed by JSC "Phazotron-NIIR", including a new acoustic and magnetometric systems, a radio intelligence system, an information and computing system, and an on-board Kopje-A radar with an active phased antenna lattice.

    According to the statement made by Yury Guskov, First Deputy General Director and General Designer of Phazotron-NIIR Corporation, JSC, at the Ka-27M version, 46 Ka-27PL helicopters are planned to be modernized (later other sources in the Russian Ministry of Defense announced the figure of 50 machines by 2020).

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    Post  medo on Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:05 am

    hoom wrote:The EW pods are new for Su-33 also aren't they? (apologies if previously discussed)

    Interesting that there is significant post-Syria upgrades happening, I thought Su-33s were supposed to be in process of being replaced by the MiG-29K Suspect

    MiG-29K will replace Su-33 on the carrier deck and Su-33 will take the role of ground based fighter. We could see Su-33 jets in September naval exercise in Mediterranean sea near Syria, where they operate from Hmeimim air base together with naval Su-30SM, but no MiG-29K was present in exercise.

    Regarding ECM pods, this is not really clear actually, but we could guess. We do not know, if Su-33 was capable to carry those Sorbtsia-S ECM pods after light modernization in KNAAPO, where they got Pastel RWR instead of old Beryoza. Fact is, that in Syria carrier operations, those ECM pods are used only on modernized Su-33 with SVP-24, two non-modernized Su-33 didn't have ECM pods. Modernized Su-33 after Syria also got additional underwing weapon pylons 11 and 12, which standard Su-33 didn't have.


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    Here we could see a cockpit of old Su-33. Under HUD we could see a weapon control pannel with 10 pylons on it. We could also notice on the right side, that Su-33 have the same RSBN navigational system as MiG-31 and not the same as Su-27. Installing of additiona 11 and 12 pylons need new or upograded FCS computer to integrate them and new control pannel. Actually all new jets with 11 and 12 pylon don't have this old weapon control pannel under HUD, but the weapon informations were shown on MFD. Su-33 upgraded with SVP-24 in time of Syrian operation still have only 10 pylons and old weapon control pannel, additional weapon pylons were added after Syria compaign, when they were modernized in ARZ.

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    Pylons 11 and 12 are usually meant for air to surface weapons. ECM pods and additional pylons show, that Su-33 didn't got only SVP-24-33 as it is only a subsystem for precision strikes with unguided ammunition and doesn't work with weapon pylons and with ECM equippment, but a new FCS complex to integrate them into a whole system. New or upgraded FCS could enable the use of anti-radar missiles Kh-31P as Su-33 is already equipped with L-150 Pastel RWR to program them. Without a problem they could add TV guided bombs KAB-500Kr and TV guided missiles Kh-29T. Only question now is radar and IRST. Did they modernize radar with modes against ground and surface targets as well as to use new R-77-1 air to air missiles and did they replace old IRST with OLS-30 with TV and laser target designating channels inside.
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    Post  Labrador on Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:56 am

    George1 wrote:Baltic Fleet Aviation Returns to Chkalovsk Airfield

    Here https://twitter.com/Strike_Flanker/status/1048583727360696320

    and severals others https://twitter.com/Strike_Flanker
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    Post  Labrador on Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:58 am

    medo wrote:
    hoom wrote:The EW pods are new for Su-33 also aren't they? (apologies if previously discussed)

    Interesting that there is significant post-Syria upgrades happening, I thought Su-33s were supposed to be in process of being replaced by the MiG-29K Suspect

    MiG-29K will replace Su-33 on the carrier deck and Su-33 will take the role of ground based fighter. We could see Su-33 jets in September naval exercise in Mediterranean sea near Syria, where they operate from Hmeimim air base together with naval Su-30SM, but no MiG-29K was present in exercise.

    Regarding ECM pods, this is not really clear actually, but we could guess. We do not know, if Su-33 was capable to carry those Sorbtsia-S ECM pods after light modernization in KNAAPO, where they got Pastel RWR instead of old Beryoza. Fact is, that in Syria carrier operations, those ECM pods are used only on modernized Su-33 with SVP-24, two non-modernized Su-33 didn't have ECM pods. Modernized Su-33 after Syria also got additional underwing weapon pylons 11 and 12, which standard Su-33 didn't have.



    Here we could see a cockpit of old Su-33. Under HUD we could see a weapon control pannel with 10 pylons on it. We could also notice on the right side, that Su-33 have the same RSBN navigational system as MiG-31 and not the same as Su-27. Installing of additiona 11 and 12 pylons need new or upograded FCS computer to integrate them and new control pannel. Actually all new jets with 11 and 12 pylon don't have this old weapon control pannel under HUD, but the weapon informations were shown on MFD. Su-33 upgraded with SVP-24 in time of Syrian operation still have only 10 pylons and old weapon control pannel, additional weapon pylons were added after Syria compaign, when they were modernized in ARZ.

    Russian Naval Aviation: News - Page 18 Su-27-10

    Pylons 11 and 12 are usually meant for air to surface weapons. ECM pods and additional pylons show, that Su-33 didn't got only SVP-24-33 as it is only a subsystem for precision strikes with unguided ammunition and doesn't work with weapon pylons and with ECM equippment, but a new FCS complex to integrate them into a whole system. New or upgraded FCS could enable the use of anti-radar missiles Kh-31P as Su-33 is already equipped with L-150 Pastel RWR to program them. Without a problem they could add TV guided bombs KAB-500Kr and TV guided missiles Kh-29T. Only question now is radar and IRST. Did they modernize radar with modes against ground and surface targets as well as to use new R-77-1 air to air missiles and did they replace old IRST with OLS-30 with TV and laser target designating channels inside.

    Very good grapic it is your own ? CAB is free fall bombs not guided ?


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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:01 pm

    I suspect another effect of the Il-20 being shot down over Syria that the self defence systems of all Russian aircraft will be re-examined and reevaluated... to make sure Russian air crew are as safe as they can be made to be...
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    Post  medo on Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:26 pm

    Labrador wrote:Very good grapic it is your own ? CAB is free fall bombs not guided ?


    No, graphic is from here:

    https://www.558arp.by/en/products-and-services-eng/services-eng/modernization-aviation-materiel-eng/su-27-30-aircraft-eng

    CAB is actually KAB like KAB-500Kr for TV guided bomb and KAB-500L for laser guided bomb.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:09 am

    Flight of the first modernized antisubmarine helicopter Ka-27M of the Baltic Fleet aviation

    As the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported on October 18, 2018, at the aerodrome Chernyakhovsk (Kaliningrad Region) flew the first modernized Ka-27M anti-submarine helicopter from a batch of five units recently received by the Baltic Fleet naval aviation.

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    The upgraded anti-submarine helicopter Ka-27M Naval Aviation of the Baltic Fleet (tail number "41 yellow", registration number RF-34181). Chernyakhovsk (Kaliningrad region), 10/18/2018 (c) Ministry of Defense of Russia


    During the first flight over the Kaliningrad region, military pilots worked on the Ka-27M take-offs, landings and flights at altitudes up to 3000 m, checked the flight and maneuvering characteristics of equipment at various speeds, as well as the operation of systems and mechanisms of helicopters under loads and overloads.

    The crew of the Ka-27M has already made a flight to Donskoe airfield to the place of permanent deployment, where its crew met the squadron command and personnel of the aviation unit.

    The next step in the training of helicopter pilots will be the fulfillment of combat training tasks at sea ranges in the Baltic Sea.

    Five received Ka-27M helicopters arrived at one of the airfields in the Kaliningrad region last week. Representatives of the industry and technical staff are currently conducting maintenance and seasonal maintenance work on the updated helicopter aircraft.


    From the side of bmpd, we recall that the receipt of a batch of five modernized anti-submarine Ka-27M helicopters by the Naval Aviation of the Baltic Fleet was reported on October 5, 2018. With the receipt of these five modernized Ka-27M anti-submarine helicopters, the total number of modernized Ka-27M helicopters in the Baltic Fleet aviation, according to known data, reached seven units, and in the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy as a whole - 22 units.

    Modernization of anti-submarine helicopters Ka-27PL in version Ka-27M is carried out at JSC Kumertau Aviation Production Enterprise (KumAPP, is part of JSC Helicopters of Russia). In December 2016, KumAPP transferred the first eight serially upgraded Ka-27M helicopters to the Russian Navy, which were upgraded under a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense dated January 2013. Of these, six helicopters entered the aviation structure of the Northern Fleet, and two - in the composition of the 859th Center for combat use and training of the flight personnel of the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy in Eisk.

    Subsequently, KumAPP implemented the following contract of 2014 with the Ministry of Defense of Russia for the modernization of another 14 Ka-27PL combat helicopters for the Ka-27M variant, ten of which were commissioned in 2017, and another four - in 2018. Including two modernized Ka-27M helicopters (commissioned in 2017) entered the Baltic Fleet in early 2018, and in early October 2018 five more mentioned Ka-27Ms upgraded under this contract were transferred to the Baltic Fleet. According to available information, of the rest of the Ka-27M helicopters upgraded under this contract, six (commissioning 2017) arrived in 2018 in the Pacific Fleet, and another in the 859th Center in Eisk.

    In September 2018, the management of the Russian Helicopters JSC announced the conclusion in the near future of an additional contract for the modernization of two more helicopters under the Ka-27M variant.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3384482.html
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:54 am

    Just had another look at the Su-33 photo at the top of this page... ie

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    And I noticed something... on the engine nacelles there is the usual weapon pylon but behind it and to the side there is a bulge... and there is a similar bulge on the opposite nacelle... it looks like it is part of the self defence suite or perhaps an optical system for air to ground use.

    Note the MiG-35 also has pod type things on its engine nacelles, but they are for air to ground IRST systems and the optical ports are larger... so I assume this is some sort of DIRCMs...


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