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    Tsavo Lion

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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:47 pm

    Look at SW corner of the airfield. 3 Su-33s parked to the NE of the practice area: https://www.google.com/maps/search/%D0%90%D1%8D%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC+%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B8/@45.0857175,33.5897588,1277m/data=!3m1!1e3

    They also have NITKA  at Eisk:
    https://www.google.com/maps/place/%D0%95%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA,+%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9+%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9,+%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F/@46.6754851,38.1811994,310m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x40e42c3bc1a9aa8b:0x62be386c32f0bc0e!8m2!3d46.6825784!4d38.2702941
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  franco on Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:52 pm

    Believe those 3 aircraft are Su-30SM's.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:20 pm

    Could be, their paint scheme is similar:


    https://www.google.com/search?biw=875&bih=379&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=XuEKXMv3Ko7c_wSxvo6YDQ&q=Su-30SM&oq=Su-30SM&gs_l=img.12..0j0i30l6j0i5i30j0i30l2.66127.67032..69385...0.0..0.683.1356.5-2......0....1..gws-wiz-img.fFp03SpO0Ro

    They were probably loaned by the AF for training purposes.
    https://thediplomat.com/2018/02/russia-to-upgrade-su-30sm-fighter-jets-in-2018/
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  franco on Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:10 pm

    No, Russian Naval Aviation has 24 Su-30SM's on order. First 12 are at Saki Airfield.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  medo on Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:27 pm

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12153428@egNews

    Очередная партия палубных истребителей Су-33 оборудована специальной вычислительной подсистемы СВП-24-33 в рамках модернизации.
    В результате проведенной модернизации они смогут с высокой эффективностью работать не только по воздушным, но также по наземным и морским целям.

    A new batch of naval fighters Su-33 are equipped with SVP-24-33 during modernisation. After modernization, they could highly effectively work against targets in the air, on the ground and on the sea.

    This text is written in the way, that SVP-24-33 subsystem could be just a part of modernisation, not the whole modernisation.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:16 am

    It is normal for inservice aircraft and vehicles to get upgrades to keep them relevant... they cost money to keep in service so it makes sense to spend a little more to keep them useful.

    Also upgrades can replace old equipment that will get harder to maintain over time.

    If you don't understand this... think about trying to buy a Video cassette tape of a new movie coming out now... it is easier and cheaper to buy a flash RAM compatible TV than to get the movie and record it onto video tape to play on an old video tape recorder.

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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  George1 Yesterday at 10:26 am

    The crisis state of the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy

    Article by Maxim Klimov: "The fiery sky of the Russian fleet. Without an effective and strong naval aviation, there can be no modern Navy" criticizing the development of the aviation component of the current Russian Navy.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3446895.html

    I would emphasize as one of biggest problems the lack of a multi-role naval helicopter. Ka-27 is an outdated machine
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Hole Yesterday at 10:53 am

    Realy interesting that this BS "articles" are coming now and not ten years ago. Today they are out of date, with new Su-30SM and MiG-29K´s delivered, Il-38 and Ka-27 modernised and plans to modernise the Tu-142.
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  Tsavo Lion Today at 4:16 am

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t7631p700-future-russian-aircraft-carriers-3#242436

    I checked the original; among other things, they plan to have the MiG-29K/UB & develop AEWAC plane for ship-borne ops.
    The Mig-29UB Fulcrum-B is a two-seat version of the proven Mig-29 fighter aircraft developed to provide training on the Mig-29 platform. Despite Mig-29UB lack of radar, it can be employed in combat missions engaging targets at short ranges employing the IRST system and the R-73 missile. Mig-29 operators also purchased the Mig-29UB trainer. These aircraft can be upgraded to the radar-equipped Mig-29UMT configuration to get advanced air-to-air and air-to-surface capabilities.
    http://www.deagel.com/Combat-Aircraft/Mig-29UB_a000357002.aspx
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    Re: Russian Naval Aviation: News

    Post  GarryB Today at 10:34 am

    In regard to the MiG-29, it was the MiG-29UB that did not have a full standard radar... it has a tiny ranging only radar in its nose, but the original radar was removed to save weight (for the second pilot) and also reduce cost as this was basically a training aircraft, though with IRST and IR guided weapons there is nothing hugely wrong with it.

    The current MiGs are based on the MiG-29M2 design and the single and two seat model have the same airframe and both have fully operational radars and other equipment.

    The only difference is that the single seat model uses the space for the extra seat for fuel so its range is slightly extended over the two seat model... otherwise they are identical.

    That includes the MiG-29M2 land version with single and two seat models, the MiG-29KR naval model with single and two seat models and the MiG-35 with single and two seat models.

    The MiG-35 is reportedly designed to operate from carriers as is.

    An AWACS model would be interesting, but personally I would prefer a dedicated aircraft designed from the outset for the role, though if they can get 360 degree radar on a fighter sized plane then good on them.

    The obvious question to ask some members here is why bother if the MiG-35 is already obsolete and will be out of service within ten years... maybe they just don't know what they are talking about?

    I also remember after a defeat in Chechnya lots of professionals inside and outside the Russian military made claims that Russian armour was junk and they should be buying Leopards and will never buy a BMP-3 or T-90 again... since then T-90s and BMP-3s have been bought...

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