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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:01 am

    Russia sending another message to NATO in Syria..


    they moved a decomisioned warship to Syrian coast..and sink it.  Laughing

    This is clearly a message to US ,UK and France ,what kind of actions
    they will have to face if they continue attacking Syria. it will be epic to
    see Americans or British or french soldiers jumping from a warship ,and
    Russia navy rescuing the survivors.




    and Russian media is full scale charge about a British Submarine chased
    by Russia navy..

    BREAKING! Russian Hunter Subs Chase UK U-Boat



    1)Russia navy chased British Royal Navy for 2 days..
    2)Not allowed them to be placed in position of firing.. did not fired its missiles.
    3)Britain admit the submarine was chased..
    4) if missiles fired by NATO targeted Russians positions intentionally or by accident
     the submarine will have to be sinked.. and major disaster for British NAvy.. it will have
      been self defense.  Smile

    The next video seems the ideal one ,after the Submarine incident..
    Has anybody seen our ship? lol1




    about the  shelters.. Suspect   They dont protect the planes from top attacks ,or damages
    to the half upper side of he planes.. What can go wrong? Rolling Eyes   Russia needs full hangars coverage
    for all their planes.. needs to stop being lazy fat and provide real protection.. a full reinforced closed
    concrete hangar


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:21 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    about the  shelters.. Suspect   They dont protect the planes from top attacks ,or damages
    to the half upper side of he planes.. What can go wrong? Rolling Eyes   Russia needs full hangars coverage
    for all their planes.. needs to stop being lazy fat and provide real protection.. a full reinforced closed
    concrete hangar

    You should have noticed that there is a serious space problem on that airfield. It was not really a military site before the Russians arrived and Syrian airbases are much much larger.

    So, ignoring the cost, which from the comfort of your armchair would you prefer, the current number of planes with some protection or half the number in HAS etc?

    Clearly the people who matter have gone for the latter.

    Sometimes you need to think things through before you pontificate.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:06 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    about the  shelters.. Suspect   They dont protect the planes from top attacks ,or damages
    to the half upper side of he planes.. What can go wrong? Rolling Eyes   Russia needs full hangars coverage
    for all their planes.. needs to stop being lazy fat and provide real protection.. a full reinforced closed
    concrete hangar

    You should have noticed that there is a serious space problem on that airfield. It was not really a military site before the Russians arrived and Syrian airbases are much much larger.

    So, ignoring the cost, which from the comfort of your armchair would you prefer, the current number of planes with some protection or half the number in HAS etc?

    Clearly the people who matter have gone for the latter.

    Sometimes you need to think things through before you pontificate.

    well a concrete hangar how much that cost ? vs the cost of a combat plane?
    Even Syria military airports have them.. yes space is a problem.. but bombs or artillery bombs
    or kamikazi terrorist drones destroying their planes will be a bigger problem.. not mentioning the humilliation
    that it will be ,if terrorist destroy Russian planes with cheap artillery.. already 2 serviceman killed... So i don't
    think Russia is taking seriously the defense of its military assets.. and they think they can solve all by just throwing
    more pantsirs there and more S-400s. when they full know.. air defenses will not always guarantee 100% protection always. since all can be overwhelmed.. is just unfortunate Russia always underestimate its enemies and their determination to target the Russian base. Better to have full hangars... even if space limited ,since they don't have
    many planes anyway ,so no damage in building proper hangars for 12 to 24 planes..


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:36 am

    Not ideal for air burst ammo, but the biggest threat is from enemy artillery, so if it lands directly on a plane the protection around it will stop the shrapnel from damaging other aircraft... if it does not hit a plane then the side protection will prevent shrapnel from damaging any aircraft at all.

    You get reasonable protection for the price of some sand bags... very clever and shows the Russians know how to spread their budget efficiently.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Austin on Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:46 am

    Good ANalysis of Western Strike here

    Who is lying less, Russia with its claims that 71 out 105 missiles launched against Syria were knocked down or the USA who stated that all the rockets have landed on their targets?

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:13 am

    Austin wrote:Good ANalysis of Western Strike here

    Who is lying less, Russia with its claims that 71 out 105 missiles launched against Syria were knocked down or the USA who stated that all the rockets have landed on their targets?

    Very good investigation... = NATO version is total lies..

    -But the research facility does not show signs of being hit by any tomahawks at all zero..... Because there are building
    standing in good conditions right next to buildings that collapsed.. it looks as if the building was hit with something else ,like artillery.

    - And Russia latest updated version claims only 22 missiles from 105 hit its intended targets..
    So thats a lot of misses.. about 80% of the missiles. were either intercepted or they were jammed and crashed
    in the sand.

    SO my guess is that the real hits was more like ~10 hits.. and the research facility was not attacked by Cruise missiles
    at all ,but something far less explosive.. like artillery. So Russia might be inflating a little the NATO hits ,to not embarrass them too much ,to the point of provoking them to try again harder. Cool


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Mindstorm on Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:31 am

    Austin wrote:Good ANalysis of Western Strike here


    Actually a very bad one Smile

    Last data of Federation's MoD are the following for the targets declared by the US MoD.



    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12172894@egNews

    22 hits in total for the three sites, so distributed :


    13 hits for the Universitary Barzah Research Center (of the ......76 claimed by Pentagon)




    7 hits for the Him Shinshar weapon storages (of the 22 claimed )

     



    2 hits for the Him Shinshar bunker (on the 7 claimed)



    Anyone can see with its own eyes what version, among the two, is the serious and correct one (please observe the video for the placement of missiles for each site) Cool


    Only for the area of Damascus has been registered 46 successful interceptions (the specifics i have provided in mine last post) in 5 main interception points - three in the western Damascus sector and two to the east

    Only for the Homs area 20 successful interceptions in three main interception points .


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Apr 28, 2018 12:02 pm

    Just in case Smile


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    Su-34 armed with a Kh-35U (izdeliye 07) subsonic cruise anti-ship missile at Russia's Khmeimim/Hmeimim airbase in #Syria.
    That could be Akhtubinsk based, 929th State Flight Testing Centre (GLITs) named after Valery Chkalov chevron on the fuselage, behind the canopy.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:32 am

    A video to put the efforts of countries in perspective... the US and west sends weapons to the terrorists or bombs things and Russia does this:



    I was impressed with the professionalism of these military police, as well as the quality of their equipment...

    Their efforts would never be acknowledged by the western media of course...


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  par far on Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:03 am

    GarryB wrote:A video to put the efforts of countries in perspective... the US and west sends weapons to the terrorists or bombs things and Russia does this:



    I was impressed with the professionalism of these military police, as well as the quality of their equipment...

    Their efforts would never be acknowledged by the western media of course...

    What that soilder said at the start of the video, having four nationalities, four religions, him being a Sunni and having Shia, Buddhists and Christians under his command and than saying that we are Russian Citizens first is just incredible, this is what makes Russia unique, Russia has the ability to pull people from all walks of life and bring it under one umbrella and this is what scares the Zionists the most.

    Ask any Muslim in the western world and the answer will be the exact opposite.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  franco on Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:58 pm

    The newest Su-25SM3 was first seen in Syria
    April 29, 2018

    One of these days the next landing from journalists has landed on the Russian airbase Khemeymim. Subsequently, several photo-reports were published. In one of them, as we already reported , the domestic Tor-M2 air defense system was lit. Before that, no information was available on the deployment of these air defense systems in Syria.

    Now in the camera lenses came the latest modification of the Russian Su-25SM3 attack aircraft. It can be determined from the antenna of the KSS-25 communication system on the gaherrot. The first reports that the new Su-25 will be transferred to Syria, appeared even more than a year ago. Such measures were taken in connection with the fact that the militants started using portable SAMs. Unlike the previous versions, the Su-25SM3 is armed with the Vitebsk defense defense system, which protects the aircraft from anti-aircraft missiles, and also has a new all-weather laser sighting system SOLT-25.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  franco on Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:06 pm

    GarryB wrote:A video to put the efforts of countries in perspective... the US and west sends weapons to the terrorists or bombs things and Russia does this:



    I was impressed with the professionalism of these military police, as well as the quality of their equipment...

    Their efforts would never be acknowledged by the western media of course...

    Perhaps a more accurate designation would be Military Police Commandos (Spetsnaz)
    - there are 4 of these battalions based in the North Caucasus
    - units are contract personnel only and every attempt is made to recruit locally
    - Chechnya, Dagestan, Ingushetia (confirmed) and suspect the 4th battalion in Kabardino-Balkaria
    - original Military Police plans called for 2 special brigades, one in North Caucasus and one in Moscow.
    - Moscow unit became the 1st Semenov Rifle Regiment instead
    - these 4 units during the Sochi games were called the 346th Spetsnaz Brigade
    - not sure if that unit existed in any more then name, perhaps with a Command structure for the 4 battalions
    - when this unit returned home to Chechnya after their first 6 month deployment, 394 returning personnel were welcomed at the airport. So suspect a battalion would be ~400 personnel.
    - just more "polite people"
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:06 pm


    For the first time #Russia deploying its highly improved close attack aircraft the Su-25SM3 in #Khmemeim AB

    https://mobile.twitter.com/WaelAlRussi/status/990636238918078466

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  auslander on Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:15 pm

    They need to hang an old toilet from one of those under wing pylons. Might as well throw everything at Brand X.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:22 pm

    So, it looks like it could well be just rumours and no S-300s then. Yet.

    This was discussed by Putin with General Staff chief Valery Gerasimov and Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu on April 20. The Russian military, they told the President, want the go-ahead to deploy S-300 missile batteries to cover Syrian and Iranian forces against US and Israeli attack from the air. They believe Israeli threats to attack the S-300 batteries as soon as they are operational are a bluff which Russia must call if Russia’s positions in Syria, and Iran itself, are not to come under subsequent attack from the American-Israeli combination. Testing the threat in Syria, they argue, is the less threatening, less costly option than encouraging the Americans and Israelis to prepare their offensive against Iran. Putin won’t agree.


    Got to make do with EW for now.

    To respond to Putin’s reluctance, the General Staff and the Defence Ministry have devised a step short of the S-300, but with potentially enough defensive power to intercept or deter American and Israeli air attacks. This is the deployment of more Russian electronic warfare systems with the capacity to jam the surveillance, targeting, fire control and command signals on which the attackers rely. It is the Samson Haircut option – deprive the giant of control of his firepower, blind him.

    A publication on April 26 in Vzglyad, the Moscow online analytical website, reveals with open sources, including American ones, how this option would work. This is an unofficial translation into English.



    These are a few excerpts from a long article on the subject, the first half is mainly on Rusal.


    ...........................................

    What kind of electronic warfare means is Russia using in Syria? Detailed information about this is unavailable in the open press because of the increased secrecy surrounding this topic. However, the press has often received fragmentary information, much of it thanks to the activity of Syrian bloggers who have repeatedly photographed examples of Russian weapons. This is how the transfer to Khmeimim was reported of the ground-based jamming system Krasukha, along with Mi-8 helicopters equipped with active interception system Richag-AB. In late March, the Russian Defence Ministry transferred to Syria the latest model of electronic warfare helicopters, Mi-8 MTPR-1.

    .......................................

    About the EW [operations in Syria] too little is known. The Krasukha was unveiled in 2011. Several modifications were created. The most powerful option – Krasukha-4 – ‘silences’ airborne aircraft radars, including drones and cruise missiles. A killer electronics system Richag-AB refers to the latest developments and entered service only in 2016. It disables not only the navigation devices of aircraft, but also drones and cruise missiles.

    According to some observers, the EW intelligence complex Moskva-1 is designed for a detection and tracking range of 400 kilometers for overhead sources of radiation at different radio frequency ranges.

    .....................................

    Blocking with the help of EW signal transmitters and GPS receivers can not only make it impossible for aircraft and warships to attack targets, but also create problems with their navigation, said the American. In addition, radio-electronic weapons may interrupt the communication of operators with drones, which can lead to their loss.

    In addition, General Thomas stressed that for the time being Russia is not operating EW in Syria at full capacity. If Russia starts [to do that], the United States will lose all its communication in the region. The former head of electronic warfare for the US Army Laurie Buckhout adds that the US does not have such extensive capabilities for electronic warfare as Russia has.

    “We have very good radio intelligence, and we can listen to everything. But we do not have one- tenth of their capabilities to disable equipment,” she said.


    http://johnhelmer.org/?p=17707#more-17707
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:23 pm

    auslander wrote:They need to hang an old toilet from one of those under wing pylons. Might as well throw everything at Brand X.
    In English English that would be 'the kitchen sink' Smile
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Militarov on Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:24 pm

    auslander wrote:They need to hang an old toilet from one of those under wing pylons. Might as well throw everything at Brand X.



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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:38 am

    JohninMK wrote:So, it looks like it could well be just rumours and no S-300s then. Yet.

    Got to make do with EW for now.

    According to the article below, an additional batch of Pantsirs were delivered to the Syrians last week ....doesn't specify exact number. Some reports are suggesting they might be crewed by Russians at least initially as there isn't enough trained Syrian crews atm

    https://topwar.ru/140568-poka-ne-s-300-no-rossiya-postavila-sirii-dopolnitelnuyu-partiyu-zrk-pancir.html



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    auslander wrote:They need to hang an old toilet from one of those under wing pylons. Might as well throw everything at Brand X.



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    Post  HUNTER VZLA on Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:54 am

    Could be a recent image from Tartus





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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

    Post  Militarov on Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:55 am

    Cyberspec wrote:

    What the hell Laughing

    https://www.warhistoryonline.com/vietnam-war/its-true-a-toilet-was-used-as-an-aerial-bomb-during-the-vietnam-war.html

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    Post  nomadski on Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:19 am

    I think the chances of mass air attack by planes from Usraeli and yank against Syria is low . Since Russia and yank already has different flight area and deconfliction zones of operation . And since any loss of pilot by either side , will escalate war to unacceptable levels . Further attacks by CM , are also unlikely in the short term . Until they figure out what went wrong this time . So in Syria , I feel a change of tactic . Using special forces to sabotage , for example . Then later another lower risk CM attack . But what harm in equipping with s300 ? In case of mass attack ? For sneak attack by one or two plane , still use lower tech and optic .

    However Iran more ripe for both mass air attack and mass CM attack against one or two target . No risk of escalation with modern equipped airforce or nuke power . Here a mass attack against one or two target more likely . Here use s300 .
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:53 am


    Naval aircraft in Hmeim airbase:





    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3179492.html
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    Post  nomadski on Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:32 am

    So Iranian have been using UAV to fight the rats ? And perhaps dumping rockets in a depot ? It all seems a clean war to me . Effective against rats . But now the zionists are attacking with planes ? Targeting sites ? Killing Iranian and destroying arms depot ? To slow down war on terror ? Or to draw in the Yank into war to save their assets ?

    So if Russian airforce does not engage directly against usraeli airforce . Attacking Iranian advisors in Syria . Who are helping defend SAA . Then Iran needs to change tactic . It will not be allowed bases easily . Unless the Usraeli are beaten back . But without Russian air cover and without S300 , then how can they be beaten back ?

    The Hezb forces did not have these either . They used tunnels . And manpads . At close range . This nullified the Usraeli airforce . As they engaged their army at close range . And from under cover . And they destroyed their tanks . However digging tunnels is not the only way to overcome attacking bombers and engage at close quarters .

    Troops armed with manpads riding motorcycles and quads can advance fast across battlefield . Minefield can be destroyed . To allow passage . Smoke can be deployed to cover advance against air power . Artillery can be taken out by rockets . By the time pilots wake up , our troops have over run their positions . And destroyed their tanks . Since they are mobile , they need laser guided munitions from planes to hit them . The planes have to come low . And can be taken out with shorter range mobile air defences . This is the help Iran can give to Syria . To fortify the southern flank , while SAA finishes off the rats . A lightening strike .

    So mobile troops needs to go to Syria . To disperse and hide in many places . Carrying ammo with them . Wait for command to attack . Not priority to use UAV right now . Or put everything in one large ammo dump . All eggs in one basket . Many baskets . Many eggs .

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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:07 am

    The situation could change if they go ahead with the plan to replace the US troops with an Arab coalition in East Syria...Pompeo just mentioned the plan again, so it seems they're seriously considering it.....although it soesn't make much sense to me


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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:22 am

    Cyberspec wrote:The situation could change if they go ahead with the plan to replace the US troops with an Arab coalition in East Syria...Pompeo just mentioned the plan again, so it seems they're seriously considering it.....although it soesn't make much sense to me
    ......


    Removing US troops and parking Arabs there means that 555st will be going on a rampage the moment those Arabs fire a first bullet in general direction of SAA

    Unlike USA, Arabs don't have nuclear extinction clause covering their asses and that is why I think that they are unlikely to replace USA, it would be like delivering East Syria on a silver platter to SAA

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