Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1

ultron wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Stingers and Tows would be as useful here as a crutch to a newborn. With correct planing Russians can inflict heavy casualties by standoff tactics in very little time. Then follow up with Air harassment or CAS. When the bodies start piling up by the thousand. Then you'll see a completely different Syrian battlefield. All I wan't is Tu-22's doing Shocksi and AWski. But the problem wouldn't be solved. Until Turkey plays that game. So In conjunction with Syrian campaign, Arming Kurds should be an option.    

Qaeda has control of the border with Jordan and Turkey. What if the US sends Patriots and Paladins to Qaeda via Jordan and Turkey? Things could get messy. Best strategy for Russia is to use drones for recon and long range artillery for pummeling and let SAA do the grunt work. We'll also need Iran to deploy soldiers to seal off Syria's borders with Jordan and Turkey, much like how Hezbollah sealed off Syria's border with Lebanon.

Ahahahahah. Patriots with what support and sustainability? Where are they going to put them? where is the radar going to go? Plus, the moment US-friendly groups start having "nice toys", the other non-Us non-Friendly groups will want them too. Like the awesome operation from US fighters that were raped by Al Nusra only couple weeks after their green light and release into Syria. Paladins? From where? And to do what? To have them thud on Iraqi positions months later? Long range artillery is good only for formations on the move and open; that requires monitoring, targeting and assessment. You need 24/7 coverage, you need night strikes, you need coordination. This can't happen if the SAA breaks contact, because of coordinated effort from Jihadi "moderats" and Isis/AN rats. It has to happen in concert with the other big partner, Iran.

Border will never be secure, because the US has no plans to force Turkey to stop the shit. And Turkey will not comply anyway. So why bother. But you can destroy the motherfuckers to the last chromosme with enough intelligence. And profit from little pauses to re-establish a different SAA. Problem number one is the way ISIS eats the other groups. It lets them do the hard work, then fucks them up while they "sleep". This was a good strategy, until the US started to pound ISIS where it mattered. On the rear. So that allowed the other groups to have time and bodies to throw against Syria. So in my opinion the real goal would be to pound the non-ISIS groups first and hard. Possibly getting rid of the Tow assholes and their routes. This would slow the US, since it would have to rebuild the network. Instead of going against ISIS, Russia is going against Jaysh Al Fateh, the guys Turkey totally doesn't support and the US totally doesn't help. Once those fuckers are down to half their numbers, then you can help, against "ISIS" on the southern front. Yeah severe outbreak of Isis there. America will try and stall the Anti-terrorist campaign but they will not send bigger toys. They can however go to the UN and start the usual shit and create the illusion of suffering by Syrians at the coast. You know the deal by know, humanitarian intervention etc. This is why Russia is with Assad. There will be no shitty No Fly Zone and dear US will have to suck it up and band with terrorists to sustain the attrition. Once they've done that, some Journalist will get information on the US officially helping ISIS (Snowden Style), big trouble in the US, Eurpoors acting all shocked, etc etc etc. You know the gig guys. Chess, Mate and Fuck You Obama (or who ever idiot comes after). Now there's also the Trump card. If that man is serious and wants to go with Putin, then Syria will only have to wait one year. One little year before Trumpman fucks up the whole US foreign policy. And that would actually benefit the US in the long term. Getting rid of the Arab parasites, will also focus the US with more pressing matters, like stop fucking up the world economic system by printing monkey money. I have a dream, lol.

Flyboy77 wrote:Interesting video. Judging by the uniform and the pimped out AK it looks like his from some special forces unit. Probably acting as a advisor for the SAA for the moment. Can anyone translate what is said?

Oh boy... someone in the DoD must be very pissed off for filming their presense there.

Neutrality wrote:

Flyboy77 wrote:Interesting video. Judging by the uniform and the pimped out AK it looks like his from some special forces unit. Probably acting as a advisor for the SAA for the moment. Can anyone translate what is said?

Oh boy... someone in the DoD must be very pissed off for filming their presense there.

I actually think these are voluntary leaks to make sure everybody gets the message.

flamming_python wrote:

par far wrote:

Khepesh wrote:If Syria asks for help and Russia agrees, then America cannot complain as US General Lloyd Austin has admitted that US special forces are already in Syria fighting for Kurds. I cannot find the English original of his announcement. And these "people" are "partners".....

U.S. Special forces have been there for a long time, these bastards are just lying, if they say they just got there.

Funnily enough, I have the same suspicions about Russia

Your suspicion could be baseless coz the the first blunder (as usual) the Russians did was to pull out all personals from Tartus which shows how unprepared and under/poorly analysed the intelligence gathering was on the ground situation.  

Where as we had a scumbag from the 'Vietnam era' lending his support to the US funded and supported terrorists inside Syrian territory bordering Turkey. And no scumbag from murica usually goes into a hot territory/area which does not have its 'presence'.

Russia could have done the exact same things which we are seeing right now years earlier and by now Russian along with Syrian military could have sanitized the entire western coast from from Latakia to Tartus and moved ahead.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

medo wrote:Syrian official request for Russian military help through UN will made Russian military engagement in Syria legal under international law. Actually it would be better, if Syria send this request to whole SCO alliance, that China could as well send their contingent to Syria.

China needs only to send some of that Sweet HJ-12 for testing and cash. Persians can deal with the core of the contingent, Russians with much of the hardware.
Let it be, let it be.

Not yet for the official help through UN for Russian troops. Let Russia first built up its military capacity (including combat troops) to what is good enough for protecting the western coast and its bases in Latakia and Tartus. And once that is complete let request so that any force coming in will actually become a reinforcement to spike the strike capability. And as I earlier mentioned, I want to see this strengthen into a Crimean size military capacity of 20-25K troops. This will be a long term investment and Russia should not let go off this opportunity. Its a win win situation for all including Russia, Syria, Iraq and Iran and all those who want to see a much better middle east.

China can do a great deal with its new armed drones and they need to be pulled into this as soon as possible. Also Russia need to (& hope so) strengthen the Syrian western coast (& for own capability improvement) with AD systems like BUK-M2/3, S-300, Bastion coastal batteries, more Mi-24/28/Ka-52 gunships, A-50, IL-38s, Armour and artillery and combat aircrafts. And these will be a gaurantee against any external attack against Syrian & Russian military/installations, which will free up Syrian Govt and military from worrying about external intervention and concentrate much better on fighting the international terrorist inside Syria.

ultron wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Stingers and Tows would be as useful here as a crutch to a newborn. With correct planing Russians can inflict heavy casualties by standoff tactics in very little time. Then follow up with Air harassment or CAS. When the bodies start piling up by the thousand. Then you'll see a completely different Syrian battlefield. All I wan't is Tu-22's doing Shocksi and AWski. But the problem wouldn't be solved. Until Turkey plays that game. So In conjunction with Syrian campaign, Arming Kurds should be an option.    

Qaeda has control of the border with Jordan and Turkey. What if the US sends Patriots and Paladins to Qaeda via Jordan and Turkey? Things could get messy. Best strategy for Russia is to use drones for recon and long range artillery for pummeling and let SAA do the grunt work. We'll also need Iran to deploy soldiers to seal off Syria's borders with Jordan and Turkey, much like how Hezbollah sealed off Syria's border with Lebanon.

Germans under NATO already have Patriot battery in Turkey.

Now whats needed is Russia supplying enough Buk-M2/3 to SAA and for its own disposal and place it along borders and with combat units on the front line so that any navigation related problems (as in Serbia, Iraq etc) usually found on US/NATO combat aircrafts and its munition can be given course correction.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Neutrality wrote:

Flyboy77 wrote:Interesting video. Judging by the uniform and the pimped out AK it looks like his from some special forces unit. Probably acting as a advisor for the SAA for the moment. Can anyone translate what is said?

Oh boy... someone in the DoD must be very pissed off for filming their presense there.

I actually think these are voluntary leaks to make sure everybody gets the message.

you hit the nail on the head!

We are already seeing some big changes in West's ambitions, expectations and unity as a result.

Dima wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

par far wrote:

Khepesh wrote:If Syria asks for help and Russia agrees, then America cannot complain as US General Lloyd Austin has admitted that US special forces are already in Syria fighting for Kurds. I cannot find the English original of his announcement. And these "people" are "partners".....
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U.S. Special forces have been there for a long time, these bastards are just lying, if they say they just got there.

Funnily enough, I have the same suspicions about Russia

Your suspicion could be baseless coz the the first blunder (as usual) the Russians did was to pull out all personals from Tartus which shows how unprepared and under/poorly analysed the intelligence gathering was on the ground situation.  

Where as we had a scumbag from the 'Vietnam era' lending his support to the US funded and supported terrorists inside Syrian territory bordering Turkey. And no scumbag from murica usually goes into a hot territory/area which does not have its 'presence'.

Russia could have done the exact same things which we are seeing right now years earlier and by now Russian along with Syrian military could have sanitized the entire western coast from from Latakia to Tartus and moved ahead.

That is overly harsh statement. Five years ago it was completely different world, no one expected this mess back then...

ultron wrote:

max steel wrote:Communication, at last.

As Moscow Sends Fighter Jets Into Syria, US and Russian Defense Chiefs Open Talks

These talks are useless as always. The US says, if you send troops to Syria, I'll send TOWs and Stingers to Qaeda and make you eat another Afghanistan.  Why even bother talking to the US. Just give them the finger. The US is not a partner of Russia. Never was, never is, never will be.

If the U.S. Says that, then you tell US that, Hellozabh and Assad are going to start receiving modern advanced weapons, Iran will go nuclear, U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan are going to start dying by the bunch, in other words, if you fuck us, we will fuck you harder.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Neutrality wrote:

Flyboy77 wrote:Interesting video. Judging by the uniform and the pimped out AK it looks like his from some special forces unit. Probably acting as a advisor for the SAA for the moment. Can anyone translate what is said?

Oh boy... someone in the DoD must be very pissed off for filming their presense there.

I actually think these are voluntary leaks to make sure everybody gets the message.

Maybe, although I see no reason why this specific guy isn't another private military contractor aka mercenary, for whom gear would also match.
But sure, more broadly Russia isn't trying to hide it's support to Syria, in fact they discuss it with US/et al so it is accepted and understood, which is not coherent with secret actions.
I think people get too drawn in by NATO-land press, which runs with hysterical memes like "Russia invading Syria!!!" when Russian support has been consistent all along and there is very little new.
(YET, I also read the signs as that they are planning to increase support/presence)

Reporter for Kuwaiti rag reporting on Russian mil presence thruout Syria, seemingly aimed at getting understanding of ops thru "hands-on" before planning further aid:
https://t.co/tqwuT51T1Y

At least Israel/US/Nato-types seem to think China is down to help Syria with troops.  Article free of hysteria or demonizing of China or anybody.
http://t.co/oFwoPz8dYE

(I also learned more about the "Erdogan medieval dressup party" pic, I had thought it was just 'medieval warriors of Ottomans', but it is of ALL "Turkic empires" which implies not just nationalism but pan-Turkic wacko-ism)

PapaDragon wrote:... Five years ago it was completely different world, no one expected this mess back then...

Please use a sarcasm indicator; somebody might think that you were serious. You can never make the assumption that everybody gets it.

Su-30SM.

ult wrote:Su-30SM.

To me they look more like Su-33s.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

To me they look more like Su-33s.

Cmon man.



Su-30SM are multirole fighters. Su-33 are not.

ult wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

To me they look more like Su-33s.

Cmon man.

Su-30SM are multirole fighters. Su-33 are not.

Too much canopy area for Su-33. You are right.

Interesting location to be parked up. They are at the end of one of the main runways (see picture at page 22 this thread) and look to have their support trucks, bowsers etc with them, but they don't seem to be parked in QRA format on that runway. Would seem to be a bit of a hazardous position (maybe run out of space elsewhere on the site) or perhaps the other runway is the main one in use, in which case they may be QRA.

Am I correct in assuming that the comments above that they are Su-30 is partly due to the camo on them is current RuAF and they are definitely not Su-27? In which case could they be just delivered to the SyAF aircraft or more likely perhaps RuAF planes?

Just had a thought. Netanyahu, the Israeli PM, is in Moscow to see Putin tomorrow. Perhaps the RuAF should send the Flankers up to 'escort' his plane through international airspace on its way from Israel to Russia. It would have to pass within their range. Fully armed of course!

Could you imagine his face as these Russian fighters appeared alongside over the Med? Then Putin's when he casually mentioned it tomorrow?

JohninMK wrote:Am I correct in assuming that the comments above that they are Su-30 is partly due to the camo on them is current RuAF and they are definitely not Su-27? In which case could they be just delivered to the SyAF aircraft or more likely perhaps RuAF planes?

It's not just the camo. It's the canards. The canopy. Those are definitely not Su-27's. It's most likely a 120th IAP from Domna.

According to this article, Russian Naval Infantry guarding the base intercepted and ambushed an ISIS squad either reconing or preparing sabotage;

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://warfiles.ru/show-95951-smi-soobschayut-o-boe-mezhdu-rossiyskimi-morpehami-i-terroristami-v-sirii.html&usg=ALkJrhjyiLlv2f8skc6SO9Q4Izii64JFUg

ult wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Am I correct in assuming that the comments above that they are Su-30 is partly due to the camo on them is current RuAF and they are definitely not Su-27? In which case could they be just delivered to the SyAF aircraft or more likely perhaps RuAF planes?

It's not just the camo. It's the canards. The canopy. Those are definitely not Su-27's. It's most likely a 120th IAP from Domna.

Thanks. What is a IAP?

JohninMK wrote:

ult wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Am I correct in assuming that the comments above that they are Su-30 is partly due to the camo on them is current RuAF and they are definitely not Su-27? In which case could they be just delivered to the SyAF aircraft or more likely perhaps RuAF planes?

It's not just the camo. It's the canards. The canopy. Those are definitely not Su-27's. It's most likely a 120th IAP from Domna.

Thanks. What is a IAP?

An IAP is a Fighter or Interceptor Regiment. The 120th was the first Su-30SM unit formed and is stationed in Domna near Chita. The second unit forming is the 38th IAP at Belbek in Crimea not to be confused with the naval 30SM unit forming near by at Novofedorivka. I suspect they are most likely from the 38th or from those designated for there. Would explain the slow deliveries to there lately.

They are in a runway that it is used for taxi and load/unload, while the runway next to it has repair marks and it is used for take off and landing.  I am glad to see this, i hope they bomb the places the USA does not dare, because in that way they can put them in a ebarrasing situation, exposing theyre double game. I hope it will be a succesfull campaign for the flankers.  

Russia will test guided munition to be far from the manpads and AAA, like Kh-29 T/L, Kab 500kr/l and some more advanced

I hope they will equip them with their new targeting pods, which we see tested on MiG-29M2/35 and do their attacks on terrorists at nights, when terrorists mostly move around and attack SAA positions.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

ult wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

To me they look more like Su-33s.

Cmon man.

Su-30SM are multirole fighters. Su-33 are not.

Too much canopy area for Su-33. You are right.

shit is getting very real

i hope they actaully get in good use and bomb the shit out of FSA/NUSRA/DAESH

https://youtu.be/6JYEmXJ60Yc

air tanker and 4 su-24 arriving in syria

allah akbar we are fucked