Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #1

George1 wrote:As fighting force?

I have no idea, although there are rumors that Russia is already fighting in Syria and is sending military equipment to the government of President Assad

George1 wrote:As fighting force?

Apparently no, official statement says they went there to offer training and intelligence to Syrian National Defence Forces.

George1 wrote:

Militarov wrote:

George1 wrote:As fighting force?

Apparently no, official statement says they went there to offer training and intelligence to Syrian National Defence Forces.

well marines mission should have a logic explanation to protect Russian naval facilities in Tartus.

Well this is what i stumbled upon: "On Friday morning, a Russian Marine contingent of about 40 soldiers arrived at their naval repair facility in Tartous City in order to train the civilian-led “National Defense Forces” (NDF) inside a number of provinces, including the Homs, Latakia, and Tartous Governorates of western Syria.

Despite the propaganda surfacing from their arrival in Tartous, the Russian Marines have no direct involvement in the ground warfare; however, they are assisting the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) with both intel and satellite imagery, while the Syrian Opposition media reports the direct use of these Russian soldiers at checkpoints in rural Latakia and Homs." Source: almasdarnews.com /The Arab Source

So yeah, they did go straight to Tartous but looks like they will be sent to Homs and Latakia too.

Yeah, "checkpoint sightings" seems pretty silly,
if Russian troops are to be used militarily, I'd think they could be put to better use than manning checkpoints.
(+hard to man a checkpoint where you need to read ID/papers, interact with locals, when you don't know Arabic...)
But since there is no accountability or damage to credibility from making/publishing false claims, why not?
"THEY HAD BLUE EYES! I KNOW IT WAS RUSSIANS!"

Militarov wrote:

George1 wrote:

Militarov wrote:

George1 wrote:As fighting force?

Apparently no, official statement says they went there to offer training and intelligence to Syrian National Defence Forces.

well marines mission should have a logic explanation to protect Russian naval facilities in Tartus.

Well this is what i stumbled upon: "On Friday morning, a Russian Marine contingent of about 40 soldiers arrived at their naval repair facility in Tartous City in order to train the civilian-led “National Defense Forces” (NDF) inside a number of provinces, including the Homs, Latakia, and Tartous Governorates of western Syria.

Despite the propaganda surfacing from their arrival in Tartous, the Russian Marines have no direct involvement in the ground warfare; however, they are assisting the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) with both intel and satellite imagery, while the Syrian Opposition media reports the direct use of these Russian soldiers at checkpoints in rural Latakia and Homs." Source: almasdarnews.com /The Arab Source

So yeah, they did go straight to Tartous but looks like they will be sent to Homs and Latakia too.

Already in the thread, 7 posts up

It looks like all those photos could be from the Tartous area where the marines will have a clear task, defending the port. I seem to remember a post over on MP.net last year that covered an intelligence base on the Golan, overun by terrorists, where there had clearly been a Russian presence. I doubt Russian troops will ever be on the 'front line'.

The media reaction does show the hypocrisy in the West where it is perfectly OK for the US to react to requests for help from the Government in Ukraine, a country they have only had a relationship with for a few years and is not in NATO, whilst Russia is totally wrong in supporting Syria, its friend for 40 plus years. It does mean that Russia could step up its help, especially if it id 'targeted at IS' quite significantly if it wanted to.

Does the linked article say over what time period the photos were taken? I can't remember seeing any information on the Russians using 'civilian' ships for the Syria link. Also these ships seem to stashed with gear in every available spot, rather than just in the hold as it used to be.

This looks like a big increase in support for Syria. Still, Russia has had recent practice at this, supplying Donbas, so there is probably a well oiled supply operation running around Rostov.

Already in the thread, 7 posts up

It looks like all those photos could be from the Tartous area where the marines will have a clear task, defending the port. I seem to remember a post over on MP.net last year that covered an intelligence base on the Golan, overun by terrorists, where there had clearly been a Russian presence. I doubt Russian troops will ever be on the 'front line'.

The media reaction does show the hypocrisy in the West where it is perfectly OK for the US to react to requests for help from the Government in Ukraine, a country they have only had a relationship with for a few years and is not in NATO, whilst Russia is totally wrong in supporting Syria, its friend for 40 plus years. It does mean that Russia could step up its help, especially if it id 'targeted at IS' quite significantly if it wanted to.

 

My bad i did not see it was already posted. Well Russia refused to join anti ISIS coalition lead by the US, if some other form of coalition was formed i belive they would gladly participate.

JohninMK wrote:Does the linked article say over what time period the photos were taken? I can't remember seeing any information on the Russians using 'civilian' ships for the Syria link. Also these ships seem to stashed with gear in every available spot, rather than just in the hold as it used to be.

This looks like a big increase in support for Syria. Still, Russia has had recent practice at this, supplying Donbas, so there is probably a well oiled supply operation running around Rostov.

"8 августа 2015 г. шесть наших БДК сходили в Средиземное море уже 10 раз, при этом впервые за время существования "Сирийского экспресса" технику и пр. начали грузить и на верхнюю палубу + кроме БДК, для перевозки привлекли еще и грузовой паром."

Militarov wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Does the linked article say over what time period the photos were taken? I can't remember seeing any information on the Russians using 'civilian' ships for the Syria link. Also these ships seem to stashed with gear in every available spot, rather than just in the hold as it used to be.

This looks like a big increase in support for Syria. Still, Russia has had recent practice at this, supplying Donbas, so there is probably a well oiled supply operation running around Rostov.

"8 августа 2015 г. шесть наших БДК сходили в Средиземное море уже 10 раз, при этом впервые за время существования "Сирийского экспресса" технику и пр. начали грузить и на верхнюю палубу + кроме БДК, для перевозки привлекли еще и грузовой паром."

Thanks, it looks like this is really rolling, no wonder the US is twitching, someone might actually take the fight to IS rather than just say they are.

"8 August 2015, six of our vessels went to the Mediterranean for 10 time during the existence of the "Syrian Express" technique, etc. started to load on upper deck + in addition to the BBC, for the carriage drew and cargo ferry."

Hardly a news...

''Yes, Moscow's Men Teaching Syrians to Use Russian Military Equipment"

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150909/1026767773.html

Iran gives permission for Russian flights over it's territory to Syria. Not unexpected, so now we wait for the first attempt to take one down over Iraq, and the reaction.
http://cassad.net/v-mire/blizhniy-vostok/17556-iran-predostavil-koridor-rossii-v-siriyu.html

Khepesh wrote:Iran gives permission for Russian flights over it's territory to Syria. Not unexpected, so now we wait for the first attempt to take one down over Iraq, and the reaction.

Hmm, so that means Iraqs airspace shall be used, wonder what US will have to say about that, i even expect them to try forcing Iraqi officials to deny passage to Russian lifters, but lets see. Wonder from where will lifters start delivering aid from Russia making pauses in Iran (flying over Caspian sea) or they shall use infrastructure of CIS members and just use Iranian airspace.

Militarov wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Iran gives permission for Russian flights over it's territory to Syria. Not unexpected, so now we wait for the first attempt to take one down over Iraq, and the reaction.

Hmm, so that means Iraqs airspace shall be used, wonder what US will have to say about that, i even expect them to try forcing Iraqi officials to deny passage to Russian lifters, but lets see. Wonder from where will lifters start delivering aid from Russia making pauses in Iran (flying over Caspian sea) or they shall use infrastructure of CIS members and just use Iranian airspace.

Iraq denying help to its current number one foreign supplier? Yeah right.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150909/1026788941/cnn-blames-russia-for-refugee-crisis-in-europe.html

Now west is pinpointing the blame at Russia for this whole mess.

I am pretty damn certain it was US funding and helping FSA against Assad and many of them leaving to ISIS.

Scoundrels and retards.

West-S-T-R-O-N-K logic at it's finest: Blocks Russia aid planes to Syria....complains about influx of refugees from Syria....

EDIT: Since when was s-t-r-o-n-k (without hyphens) a banned word? Is there some kind of new censor-filter algorithm for this forum?

sepheronx wrote:http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150909/1026788941/cnn-blames-russia-for-refugee-crisis-in-europe.html

Now west is pinpointing the blame at Russia for this whole mess.

I am pretty damn certain it was US funding and helping FSA against Assad and many of them leaving to ISIS.

Scoundrels and retards.

They are saying this because Russia has stepped up help to the SAA, it does not matter because they are liars. It is ok for the west to sent in terrorists and their special forces into Syria to destroy the country, kill innocent people and take out a elected government but it is not ok for Russia to sent in support for the elected government and help innocent people from being killed. I really hope Russia starts bombing campaign against the terrorists using Su 34 and Su 35.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Iran gives permission for Russian flights over it's territory to Syria. Not unexpected, so now we wait for the first attempt to take one down over Iraq, and the reaction.

Hmm, so that means Iraqs airspace shall be used, wonder what US will have to say about that, i even expect them to try forcing Iraqi officials to deny passage to Russian lifters, but lets see. Wonder from where will lifters start delivering aid from Russia making pauses in Iran (flying over Caspian sea) or they shall use infrastructure of CIS members and just use Iranian airspace.

Iraq denying help to its current number one foreign supplier? Yeah right.

US influence is basically without limits in Iraq thats what i am afraid of, and even if they do not allow Russians to use their airspace Russians will still sell them anything they want coz that is how politics work.

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Iran gives permission for Russian flights over it's territory to Syria. Not unexpected, so now we wait for the first attempt to take one down over Iraq, and the reaction.

Hmm, so that means Iraqs airspace shall be used, wonder what US will have to say about that, i even expect them to try forcing Iraqi officials to deny passage to Russian lifters, but lets see. Wonder from where will lifters start delivering aid from Russia making pauses in Iran (flying over Caspian sea) or they shall use infrastructure of CIS members and just use Iranian airspace.

Iraq denying help to its current number one foreign supplier? Yeah right.

US influence is basically without limits in Iraq thats what i am afraid of, and even if they do not allow Russians to use their airspace Russians will still sell them anything they want coz that is how politics work.

"Without limits"...Is that why the Iraqi govt. still maintains close ties with Iranians? Or that they're using "aid" from the U.S. to fill Russian pockets with arms sales?

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Khepesh wrote:Iran gives permission for Russian flights over it's territory to Syria. Not unexpected, so now we wait for the first attempt to take one down over Iraq, and the reaction.

Hmm, so that means Iraqs airspace shall be used, wonder what US will have to say about that, i even expect them to try forcing Iraqi officials to deny passage to Russian lifters, but lets see. Wonder from where will lifters start delivering aid from Russia making pauses in Iran (flying over Caspian sea) or they shall use infrastructure of CIS members and just use Iranian airspace.

Iraq denying help to its current number one foreign supplier? Yeah right.

US influence is basically without limits in Iraq thats what i am afraid of, and even if they do not allow Russians to use their airspace Russians will still sell them anything they want coz that is how politics work.

"Without limits"...Is that why the Iraqi govt. still maintains close ties with Iranians? Or that they're using "aid" from the U.S. to fill Russian pockets with arms sales?

US does not care about that basically, thats why its not being "sanctioned" in any way, they had what they wanted from Iraq already, pulled troops out and now they use their influence only when really needed to achieve some goals, sticking finger in Russian eyes sounds good enough, however Iraq they even used as proxy to do some deals with Iranians, never underestimate Muricans. I hope tho that US wont start pressure on Iraq over this, Syria needs those supplies. And that "aid" from the US they are paying with their oil, they are buying certain equipment from Russia due to some older generals that still have influence and that majority of their equipment is still of USSR origin, i suppose price has its weight too.