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    Post  Isos on Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:44 pm

    Launch of missiles from container. But not from the ship. For kh-35 the container is a smaller one than for kalibr but it's not vertically launched which may not be used from bykov.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1112443181059227648
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:19 am

    Isos wrote:Launch of missiles from container. But not from the ship. For kh-35 the container is a smaller one than for kalibr but it's not vertically launched which may not be used from bykov.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1112443181059227648


    Well nice to see not finally in action, they've been quiet about this for too long

    And Kh-35 can definitely be fired from Bykov, plenty for free space

    They said has much, first ship is to get Kh-35 containers, it's been official for years
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:12 am

    PapaDragon wrote: Well nice to see not finally in action, they've been quiet about this for too long

    And Kh-35 can definitely be fired from Bykov, plenty for free space  

    IMHO Isos was referring to the possibility that Kh-35s will be launched forward and hit superstructure with this elevation. But they can be launched  backwards as well Smile





    Paps wrote: They said has much, first ship is to get Kh-35 containers, it's been official for years

    on container is 8 Kh-35 right so 2 would make... well Bykovs get containers wen there will be the geopolitical need to get ones.[/quote]
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:56 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote: Well nice to see not finally in action, they've been quiet about this for too long

    And Kh-35 can definitely be fired from Bykov, plenty for free space  

    IMHO Isos was referring to the possibility that Kh-35s will be launched forward and hit superstructure with this elevation. But they can be launched  backwards as well Smile
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    It will not hit superstructure if fired towards the front
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:49 am

    If the UKSK-M truely is a universal launcher then it should allow modified Kh-35s to be launched from it too... not a big deal... some sort of gas pressure launcher that blows the missile and its solid rocket booster 20m into the air and then side rockets turn it in the direction it needs to go in and the main external solid rocket booster lights up and accelerates it on its way and then falls away and the main engine starts and it continues to target...

    If they can do it for the Yakhont, they can do it for most missiles... it is hardly as if a Kh-35 would be packed tight in a UKSK-M launch tube...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:54 am

    GarryB wrote:If the UKSK-M truely is a universal launcher then it should allow modified Kh-35s to be launched from it too...

    true, but this was about container launcher not UKSK.

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    Post  Hole on Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:23 am

    Next stop: Zircon. Very Happy
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:41 am

    true, but this was about container launcher not UKSK.

    But once they have all the missiles launched from UKSK-M launchers then they could put one in a container and shoot all sorts of missiles from them... and the enemy would have no idea what is coming out or which one has weapons and which has 400,000 rubber ducks...

    The UKSK system from the outside below decks looks like two huge tubes... from above those two tubes have four hatches each for a total of 8 launch tubes.

    If you split it in half and had two enormous tubes with four launch tubes in each you could put each of the two tubes into a container... ie two containers equals one UKSK-M launcher... which means you could have Onyx or Calibr or indeed Zircon, but you could also have 9M96D or S-400 or 9M100...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:30 am

    GarryB wrote:
    true, but this was about container launcher not UKSK.

    But once they have all the missiles launched from UKSK-M launchers then they could put one in a container and shoot all sorts of missiles from them... and the enemy would have no idea what is coming out or which one has weapons and which has 400,000 rubber ducks...

    you cannot fit UKSK into 20feet container for sure, IMHO unlikely in 40feet too. Not to mention UKSK-M

    Length Width Height
    20 ft (6.1 m) 8 ft (2.44 m) 8 ft 6 in (2.59 m)
    40 ft (12.2 m) 8 ft (2.44 m) 8 ft 6 in (2.59 m)


    UKSK
    9,58 m 2,30 m 2,30 m


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    You dont put rubber ducks on corvettes not frigates. No toher ships suppose to carry them.


    GB wrote:
    If you split it in half and had two enormous tubes with four launch tubes in each you could put each of the two tubes into a container... ie two containers equals one UKSK-M launcher... which means you could have Onyx or Calibr or indeed Zircon, but you could also have 9M96D or S-400 or 9M100...

    but 2 is not UKSK anymore, yu just deploy different containers it is easier more missiles can be carried.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:58 am

    Hole wrote:Next stop: Zircon. Very Happy

    Would be nice, Bykov is much better then 20380 with little AAD then 20385 too
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:33 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    true, but this was about container launcher not UKSK.

    But once they have all the missiles launched from UKSK-M launchers then they could put one in a container and shoot all sorts of missiles from them... and the enemy would have no idea what is coming out or which one has weapons and which has 400,000 rubber ducks...

    you cannot fit UKSK into 20feet container for sure, IMHO unlikely in 40feet too. Not to mention UKSK-M

    Length        Width        Height
    20 ft (6.1 m) 8 ft (2.44 m) 8 ft 6 in (2.59 m)
    40 ft (12.2 m) 8 ft (2.44 m) 8 ft 6 in (2.59 m)


    UKSK
    9,58 m                 2,30 m              2,30 m


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    You dont put rubber ducks on corvettes not frigates. No toher ships suppose to carry them.


    GB wrote:
    If you split it in half and had two enormous tubes with four launch tubes in each you could put each of the two tubes into a container... ie two containers equals one UKSK-M launcher... which means you could have Onyx or Calibr or indeed Zircon, but you could also have 9M96D or S-400 or 9M100...

    but 2 is not UKSK anymore, yu just deploy different containers it is easier more missiles can be carried.

    UKSK can differently fit in a 40 ft container, with plenty of space for erector launcher piston hydraulics. The most important thing is there's room to spare in the length-wise portion to lift launch tubes vertically with proper hydraulic pistons. Obviously it would need a power source, so there should be hidden ports on the side that slide open and where a power-line could connect to (could outsource power from the ship). They could also have an additional 40 ft container with a portable NPP, with multiple power-line cords to connect to multiple containerized UKSK's.
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    Post  hoom on Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:28 pm

    Ther Kalibr in container was 40ft container, its not UKSK though.

    Bykov is going to St Petersburg for Navy Parade, leaves in June https://www.crimea.kp.ru/online/news/3437471/

    Meanwhile apparently arrived in Sevastopol for first time but I could swear its been there before
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    Post  Isos on Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:20 pm

    Are they planing some with shtill launchers on the front ? It was included in the design I think.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:25 pm

    GarryB wrote:If the UKSK-M truely is a universal launcher then it should allow modified Kh-35s to be launched from it too...

    They have the totally subsonic kalirbr which probably has a longer range than kh-35.

    Kh-35 can always be used by helicopters or mig-29k.
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    Post  dino00 on Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:44 pm

    To hide in the clear sea: corvettes will be covered with intellectual interference

    In the Navy test the system of electronic protection


    April 16, 2019 00:01
    Aleksey Ramm Alexey Kozachenko

    Russian multifunctional corvettes will be protected by an electronic dome. The newest patrol ships of Project 22160 will be equipped with unique reconnaissance and defense complexes. The effectiveness of their work is being tested in the Black Sea on the corvette "Vasily Bykov", told "Izvestia" in the General Staff of the Navy.

    The new system will be able to suppress the radar or create false interference. It consists of high-tech sensors on the ship's hull. The collected information on all working radio electronic systems that are able to “get” a ship is transmitted in real time to radio interception and bearing stations. The system determines the type of radar and identifies its carrier. As a result, the crew of the corvette gets the opportunity to affect ground, sea and airborne radars, as well as satellite systems for detecting a potential enemy.

    Depending on the situation, the ship's commander is offered options on how to hide from the radar. If the enemy’s radar cannot be circumvented, the system masks the ship with interference. The novelty is also able to "crush" the radar with a powerful electronic signal. Another option is to deliver misleading clutter. They create on the screens of the enemy's radar several false targets, similar to the marks of a real ship. Heat traps that generate infrared interference can also be used.

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    Post  hoom on Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:22 am

    Are they planing some with shtill launchers on the front ? It was included in the design I think.
    Listed as an option for Export version, unclear exactly where it would go.

    Was going to say none of the CGI or show models showed Shtil launchers but this really early CGI does
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    This pic shows 2*8 of something (probably not Shtil which is 12* cell units), I think a UKSK equipped version.
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    I still like the idea of Shtil-1 in the foredeck with 4 of the Buk-M3 fire control radar on the mast cheeks for 360deg coverage.
    It'd have to be a modification on the later boats though.

    Otherwise probably the only SAM we might see is a containerised Tor if they make one.
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    Post  Isos on Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:26 am


    This pic shows 2*8 of something (probably not Shtil which is 12* cell units), I think a UKSK equipped version.

    Uksk are 10m long. They would be behind the mast like on missile boats. This looks like nothing  but a radom designed vls.

    I still like the idea of Shtil-1 in the foredeck with 4 of the Buk-M3 fire control radar on the mast cheeks for 360deg coverage.

    Being ARH they don't need the 4 fire control radar. An integrated mast with 4 AESA x band pannels shoukd work fine. And they are producing them for new corvettes so could be scale down for this ship.


    Otherwise probably the only SAM we might see is a containerised Tor if they make one

    Would be good too. Tor is very good against tomahawks. They could park 10 of those ships along the cost and have a layer of defence of 300km with tor (15km range on both side means 30km for a ship based tor). That would protect the north bases against any surprise attack from modified Ohio class's tomahawks massive launches.
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    Post  dino00 on Sun May 05, 2019 1:34 pm

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    Post  Hole on Sun May 05, 2019 9:49 pm

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    First 22160 put together on Crimea.
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    Post  hoom on Tue May 07, 2019 2:24 am

    dino00 wrote:
    Hmm, that boat docking looks like it'll be pretty hazardous with some waves.
    I've had a bit of a suspicion that at least the first boat is quite a bit overweight & that will mean there is less freeboard in there than there should be.

    The renders show it sitting about same height as in the pic of 3rd boat above, though that boat is sitting well above its painted waterline
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    Post  GarryB on Tue May 07, 2019 9:04 am

    Most things are more dangerous in heavy seas... that is just normal isn't it?

    If the sea is too rough to launch or recover the boat or helo... use the main gun... Twisted Evil
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    Post  hoom on Tue May 07, 2019 1:16 pm

    Well an OPV should be generally designed to be able to launch & recover its boarding boat while Offshore ie in a swell.
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    Post  hoom on Wed May 22, 2019 12:07 pm

    Bykov at Sevastopol again.
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    Post  kumbor on Wed May 22, 2019 4:02 pm

    hoom wrote:Ther Kalibr in container was 40ft container, its not UKSK though.

    Bykov is going to St Petersburg for Navy Parade, leaves in June https://www.crimea.kp.ru/online/news/3437471/

    Meanwhile apparently arrived in Sevastopol for first time but I could swear its been there before
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    Post  Hole on Wed May 22, 2019 4:20 pm

    It is no longer She in english. The bureaucrats declared it sexist. Neutral Rolling Eyes

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