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    Post  hoom on Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:29 pm

    2nd boat at Sevastopol
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    Post  Hole on Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:43 pm

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    I noticed this small sliding gate on starboard. Someone got an idea whats behind it?
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    Post  verkhoturye51 on Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:50 pm

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    There's no way on earth it could be a hatch for loading Kalibrs, or...
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    Post  hoom on Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:23 pm

    Missile compartment gym/basketball court :Arrow
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:56 am

    verkhoturye51 wrote: There's no way on earth it could be a hatch for loading Kalibrs, or...

    why it should be? scratch scratch scratch if needed 8 Kalibrs can be loaded in 2 containers in aft cargo bay.
    If for any reason this place is "reserved" I'd suspect rather Paket.




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    Post  hoom on Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:38 am

    Anyway thats an old fanart before pics of the real thing came out.
    From recollection the side bits have RIBs on them & the bow area has a basketball hoop/gym in there.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:14 am

    Continuation of tests of the patrol ship "Dmitry Rogachev" Project 22160

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    Post  hoom on Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:30 pm

    Looks kinda like a speedboat from that angle
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    Post  kumbor on Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:11 pm



    Hull form resembles that of pr.1124 Albatros/NATO Grisha class corvettes - combined hull form - hard chine in bows and round bilge to the stern. That is good both for speed and sea keeping. Vmax approaches 30 knots. In many ways to me it resembles American LCS, but slower and in fact more capable and wiser as combat ship.
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    Post  hoom on Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:11 am

    According to ppl at Balancer the 3rd ship Pavel Derzhavin was launched.
    Its 1st at Zaliv.

    Edit: https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/117436/
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:03 pm


    What's with all the "secrecy"?

    These are good news and those ain't classified vessels.
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    Post  hoom on Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:44 pm

    A suggestion I saw at Balancer is basically to avoid sanctions if certain parties are identified as operating in Crimea.
    Makes some sense but not sure I entirely buy it.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:55 pm

    hoom wrote:A suggestion I saw at Balancer is basically to avoid sanctions if certain parties are identified as operating in Crimea.
    Makes some sense but not sure I entirely buy it.

    Don't see how it would work, if someone wants to know they will know especially USA

    You can't hide naval construction, not that well anyway
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    Post  George1 on Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:24 am

    Project 22160 "Pavel Derzhavin" patrol ship launched in Kerch


    According to network sources, February 21, 2019 in Kerch at the shipyard "Zaliv" (located since the end of 2014 under the control of JSC "Zelenodolsk plant named after AM Gorky") was launched on the patrol ship under construction there for the Russian Navy. Pavel Derzhavin "(serial number 163) - the third ship of project 22160 in a series of six units, and the first one being built at the Zaliv plant.

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    The patrol ship Pavel Derzhavin (serial number 163) patrol ship under construction for the Russian Navy at the Zaliv shipyard (under the control of the Zelenodolsk plant named after AM Gorky) (launch number 163) before launching. Kerch, 02.21.2019 (c) Kostya-Vet / forums.airbase.ru


    The patrol ship project 22160 was developed by the Northern Design Bureau JSC (St. Petersburg). The construction of the patrol ship "Pavel Derzhavin" is carried out within the framework of the contract concluded by the Zelenodolsk Plant named after A.M. Gorky "October 9, 2014 with the Ministry of Defense of Russia to build five serial patrol ships of Project 22160 with factory numbers 162, 163, 164, 165 and 166. The first patrol ship under this contract (and the second in the series)" Dmitry Rogachev "(serial number 162) was laid in Zelenodolsk on July 25, 2014, launched there at the end of 2017, and in August 2018 it was towed to Novorossiysk, where in September 2018 it began factory running trials. Now the delivery of this ship of the Russian Navy has been postponed to 2019.

    The next two patrol ships Pavel Derzhavin (serial number 163, was laid down on February 18, 2016) and Sergey Kotov (serial number 164, laid down on May 8, 2016) were formally laid at Zelenodolsk CVD, but in fact their construction is carried out on CVD " Bay "in Kerch, where the first of them was launched on February 21, 2019. At the Zelenodolsk plant itself, the last two patrol ships, the Victor the Great (factory number 165, laid down on November 25, 2016) and the Nikolay Sipyagin (factory number 166, laid on January 13, 2018) are in the building berths under construction. The contract period for the delivery of ships with serial numbers 162, 163 and 164 was 2018, and with serial numbers 165 and 166 - 2019, but in the end the deadlines went far to the right, and it can be expected that in 2019 the naval forces will pass the first two ships, the Dmitry Rogachev and Pavel Derzhavin. All six ships of Project 22160 are intended for the Black Sea Fleet.

    Recall that earlier the Zelenodolsk plant, under a contract with the Ministry of Defense of Russia dated April 11, 2014, carried out the construction of the lead patrol ship of the project 22160 "Vasily Bykov" (factory number 161). In fact, this ship was laid in Zelenodolsk on February 26, 2014. "Vasily Bykov" was launched on August 28, 2017, and on November 8, 2017 he was towed to the shipyard "Zaliv" in Kerch for completion and re-staffing. Upon completion of work, on March 25, 2018, Vasily Bykov was towed from Kerch to Novorossiysk, where he began factory running trials on May 8, 2018, and at the end of the State tests was transferred to the Black Sea Fleet on December 20, 2018.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:10 pm


    Bykov's first gig, Turkish-Russian exercise Passex-2019

    This is precisely what this ship is built for: low grade law-enforcement, diplomatic and PR stuff so they don't have to waste proper warships on it

    Until now they were using frigates and destroyers for this (and let's not forget legendary anti-piracy mission of Peter the Great battlecruiser)

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    Post  Hole on Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:28 am

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:02 pm

    interesting fragments relevant to 22160: Great to see Bykov Clas ship with corvette function . Only decent SAM is missing


    Container fleet

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    One of the main trends of modern military shipbuilding in Russia is the creation of so-called universal platforms. To solve specific problems such a ship can be equipped with modular sets of various types of military equipment.

    The idea is not new. For the first time, the Danes took it up in the second half of the 1980s, implementing the Standard Flex 300 project. Currently, the United States is developing such weapon modules as part of the construction of a series of littoral warships such as Freedom and Independence.

    The Russian solution is very different from foreign ones in that weapons and equipment, as well as their support systems, are placed inside standard sea containers (usually 20-foot). The container is installed on the ship’s deck or in the under-deck space, is connected to the ship power supply system and is integrated into the combat information and control system. In principle, containers can operate autonomously and not depend on the operation of the ship’s power systems.

    Among the combat modules the most famous is the universal missile system from the Concern Morinformsystem-Agat. It includes a detection and targeting module and up to four universal launch modules with the Caliber and Uran missiles.

    Such modules will be in service with the construction of patrol ships of the project 22160 of the type “Vasily Bykov”, corvettes of the project 20386 of the type “Daring” and patrol icebreakers of the project 23550 of the type “Ivan Papanin”. If necessary, they can be placed on any other ships, in particular on nuclear icebreakers of the “Leader” type.

    It is known about the existence of a number of other combat modules, in particular about the transport and launch container with a 324-mm torpedo tube. Mine defense modules are being developed.

    But if the combat modules are currently created relatively little, the range of support modules is striking in its diversity.

    For the search and detection of underwater vehicles, a container hydroacoustic station “Minotaur-ISPN-M.2” was created. For mapping the seabed and searching objects on it, Oceanpribor has created a mobile complex for monitoring the bottom surface at depths of up to 300 m - the Corvette MK MPD-300.

    Tetis-Pro has created the Panther Plus mobile complex. The complex includes a remote-controlled underwater vehicle and two containers with equipment (control station, lifting device, power supply, etc.). In December 2017, the Panther Plus complex was transferred to Argentina, placed on the deck of a patrol ship of the Navy of this country and took an active part in the search for the dead San Juan submarine.

    The two containers also houses a complex with autonomous manned underwater vehicles ARS-600. Do not forget about the complex for the placement and management of the uninhabited underwater vehicle "Harpsichord-1R". This module can be used not only to search for underwater objects, in particular, mines, but also to destroy them.

    In addition to underwater vehicles, container modules were also created to house and control BPV-500 airborne unmanned helicopters.

    A rather large number of modules was created to solve humanitarian problems. In particular, for the Navy, a medical container module was assembled, consisting of the operating room and intensive care unit.

    In order to carry out rescue operations and eliminate accidents during which oil spills occur, the company Divetechnoservice has created a mobile high-capacity drainage system MKV-1000.

    The Special Operations Forces have autonomous mobile barocomplexes. They consist of three autonomous standard 20-foot sea containers. In one there is a diving pressure chamber RBC-1400 with life support systems, in the other - a charging system for underwater means of movement, in the third - an air supply system. In addition to these modules, there are also fire-fighting modules, etc.

    It must be said that the creation of modular complexes and their implementation in the fleet is a very difficult task. So, in the Danish Navy, they did not receive much development, primarily because of problems with crew training. The development of modules for American ships comes with great difficulty and unclear prospects.

    Russian scientists and engineers were able to solve the rather difficult task of creating modular weapons and equipment in a very original way - by placing them in an ordinary sea container.

    What can a weapon give to our fleet? For example, in the case of solving the problems of the antisubmarine defense of the sea territory, modules with a hydroacoustic towed antenna and with a 324 mm torpedo tube can be installed on the patrol ship of project 22160. In the case of humanitarian missions, medical modules can be installed on the same patrol ship.

    The Russian fleet has yet to solve the problem of training operation teams to work with such modules, to arrange their storage and delivery to ships.

    One of the important tasks of the Russian Navy in a special period will be the admission to the fleet and the arming of civilian mobilization vessels. The Navy of the USSR and Russia has a long experience of using mobilized ships in combat operations. Thus, at the beginning of World War II, a large number of civilian vessels and fishing trawlers were taken into service.

    For example, artillery pieces were placed on them, anti-submarine and mine-torpedo weapons were deployed. They became guard ships and minesweepers. The contribution of such "mobilized ships" to the overall Victory is not much less than the contribution of special-purpose warships.

    Having a variety of combat modules in stock, the Navy will be able to arm even small ships with powerful rocket weapons as soon as possible. And a simple supply tug of the “Naftogaz” type with 8 “Calibers” on board can become a very strong threat to the warships of the aggressor.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:01 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:interesting fragments relevant to 22160: Great to see Bykov Clas ship with corvette function . Only decent SAM is missing...

    It's not missing, space behind main gun can hold SAM VLS

    What they are missing is sonar and CIWS
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:43 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:interesting fragments relevant to 22160: Great to see Bykov Clas ship with corvette function . Only decent SAM is missing...

    It's not missing, space behind main gun can hold SAM VLS

    What they are missing is sonar and CIWS


    On ship that class Pantsir M with (SM) range 40km should do fine. Sonar I guess could be in containers, a towed one. With container based avionics. just to plug into ships network.


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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:40 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
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    GunshipDemocracy wrote:interesting fragments relevant to 22160: Great to see Bykov Clas ship with corvette function . Only decent SAM is missing...

    It's not missing, space behind main gun can hold SAM VLS

    What they are missing is sonar and CIWS


    On ship that class Pantsir M with (SM) range 40km should do fine. Sonar I guess could be in containers, a towed one. With container based avionics. just to plug into ships network.


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    They don't need nto sacrifice container space, there is space below which is used for landing craft, they can install towed sonar there

    And they definitely need to add bow sonar as well
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:53 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    They don't need nto sacrifice container space, there is space below which is used for landing craft, they can install towed sonar there

    And they definitely need to add bow sonar as well

    hmm couple of budget cuts and RuN shall start drawing conclusions: stop with 20380/85 start with 22160 in ASW version.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:17 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
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    They don't need nto sacrifice container space, there is space below which is used for landing craft, they can install towed sonar there

    And they definitely need to add bow sonar as well

    hmm couple of budget cuts and RuN shall start drawing conclusions: stop with 20380/85 start with 22160 in ASW version.

    Absolutely not!

    20380/85 and especially 20386 are true multirole Naval vessels that can operate much further and more efficiently than 22160

    Keep in mind that 22160 is built to commercial standards, does not carry sufficient amount of weaponry for it's size and would not fare well too far from protection that coastal aviation and missiles provide

    It's still a patrol ship that could be used as (very good) anti-sub corvette with modifications but strictly in sheltered environment of submarine bastions near Russia

    It's advantage is low price, build speed and simplicity all of which are derived from commercial specs it's built around

    This ship should be used as cheap method of freeing up corvettes and frigates from anti-sub work close to home so they could operate further out



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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:34 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    20380/85 and especially 20386 are true multirole Naval vessels that can operate much further and more efficiently than 22160

    20386 yes but it is different class for different tasks. But 20380? is better in what precisely?




    Paps wrote:Keep in mind that 22160 is built to commercial standards, does not carry sufficient amount of weaponry for it's size and would not fare well too far from protection that coastal aviation and missiles provide
    It's still a patrol ship that could be used as (very good) anti-sub corvette with modifications but strictly in sheltered environment of submarine bastions near Russia

    It's advantage is low price, build speed and simplicity all of which are derived from commercial specs it's built around

    This ship should be used as cheap method of freeing up corvettes and frigates from anti-sub work close to home so they could operate further out


    20380- standard - 1800 full 2200t
    1x100mm, 1CIWS Kashtan, 2Paket, 8x Uran.
    range 3,500nm


    22160 - 1500 t satbndard
    1x76mm, but CIWS/AShM or CIWS can be installed,
    range - 6000nm

    ekhm 20380/85 is not only 2-3x more expensive then 22160 but lacks good buoyancy and has almost half the range. No AAD only CIWS too. Please dont mix current version of 22160 with what it can be in weaponized version.
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    Post  hoom on Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:53 am

    interesting fragments relevant to 22160
    Yes very, interesting that apparently various of the non-combat modules are actually built & in service.
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    Post  Hole on Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:22 am

    For the search and detection of underwater vehicles, a container hydroacoustic station “Minotaur-ISPN-M.2” was created.


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