Project 22160 Bykov-class patrol ship

caveat emptor wrote:

walle83 wrote:

Then just order more 20380s insted.

The whole point of the 22160 was to create a medium sized vessel that could free up larger vessels from pirate fighting and sea patroling.

Exactly. If you add VLS cells and Tor,  it is not a patrol ship anymore.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

walle83 wrote:

Then just order more 20380s insted.

The whole point of the 22160 was to create a medium sized vessel that could free up larger vessels from pirate fighting and sea patroling.

Exactly. If you add VLS cells and Tor,  it is not a patrol ship anymore.

but as real life proved those ships need AAD in every case. Can it be a corvette? well not without all 4 diesels but then why not especially that this ship is significantly cheaper then 20380.

caveat emptor wrote:
You need to add more capable radar and electronics. Big chunk of cost for 20380 is Zaslon radar. And you'll lose long patrol range. A lot of space for this ship was intended for extra supplies it needs during deployments.

GarryB wrote:
It is only for testing to see if such ships are stable enough for a clean launch... if it works out OK they will have to integrate the electronics and sensors on the boat... likely by adding AESA radar antennas to the ship structure... then TOR launch bins can be placed on most parts of open deck... but not on the Helicopter pad of course so the helicopter can continue to be used.

It was just simpler and cheaper to use a ground based TOR system on a TOR tracked vehicle chassis but with the wheels and tracks removed and tied down with cables on the tie down points that helicopter pads all have.

Project 22160 ships are planned to be strengthened with "Caliber" and "Resurs" air defense systems

The head of "Ak Bars" Mistakhov: the ships of project 22160 can be reinforced with "Caliber" and air defense systems "Resurs"

MOSCOW, July 8 - RIA Novosti. Project 22160 patrol ships of the Pavel Derzhavin type are proposed to be modernized and installed on them with the Caliber missile system and the Resurs anti-aircraft missile system (SAM), Renat Mistakhov, general director of the Ak Bars shipbuilding corporation, told RIA Novosti on Saturday.
Earlier, a number of media outlets reported on the fleet's loss of interest in continuing the series of Project 22160 patrol ships based on the experience of their use in a special operation. However, in 2022 it was reported that the series could be continued. Moreover, it was proposed to equip the ship with strike and anti-aircraft missile systems.

"The designer, in accordance with the result of the construction of the "patrolman", as well as with the proposals and requirements of potential customers, upgraded and updated a number of parameters and replaced some systems. The upgraded version of the project 22160 ship was supplemented with guided missile weapons and the Resurs multi-channel anti-aircraft missile system ", Mistakhov said.

According to him, interest in this project is relevant in connection with the use of a modular concept of weapons.
"In order to promote this project, law enforcement agencies needed to work out and present the appearance of the ship with a specific installation of weapons, systems and complexes on it," the agency's interlocutor added.

lancelot wrote:Those upgrades are more than necessary. At least the air defense. Adding the Kalibr would also make it more versatile. As is this ship is less capable than the Karakurt corvette at like double the weight.

AMCXXL wrote:this class is Offshore Patrol Vessel, if you want more Karakurts, then simply buy more Karakurts

I wonder if they are developing a mini Redut launcher for small vessels that can only take the two smaller missiles (the short range 9M96 and the 9M100) which would allow them to reduce the number of decks space it would take up.

AMCXXL wrote:

lancelot wrote:Those upgrades are more than necessary. At least the air defense. Adding the Kalibr would also make it more versatile. As is this ship is less capable than the Karakurt corvette at like double the weight.

this class is Offshore Patrol Vessel, if you want more Karakurts, then simply buy more Karakurts