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    Post  kumbor on Wed May 22, 2019 5:20 pm

    Hole wrote:It is no longer She in english. The bureaucrats declared it sexist. Neutral Rolling Eyes

    I don`t mind political correctness, I have learned queen`s english, not Paki english. Let it be like that.
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    Post  Hole on Wed May 22, 2019 9:21 pm

    And her Queens government says it ist sexist to call a ship a she. Blame her. Very Happy
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    Post  hoom on Wed May 22, 2019 11:54 pm

    In English inanimate objects are genderless.
    Ships are only female by tradition in English, given they are also generally male in Russian a neutral term seems appropriate.
    Little Kumbor pedant pwnd

    Since we're being pointlessly pedantic: it's the Queen's English.
    Proper nouns are always capitalised, especially the reigning monarch.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu May 23, 2019 5:51 am

    That is not true.

    Inanimate objects like ships or cars or aircraft are often given genders for descriptions.

    Of course now that the PC brigade are getting behind gender confused adolescence then I guess most new ships will need a fourth gender to describe them so they are not forced into being male, female or neither... they need another gender so they can take their time to decide which they are most comfortable with and are not rushed into being one or the other...  Twisted Evil

    To be honest, in my experience most inanimate objects are female... it sounds natural to describe a new rifle or shotgun or car or boat or aircraft by saying she is a beauty... it does not seem right to describe them as being male...

    BTW technically in theory you are correct that a car or boat or whatever has no gender and therefore shouldn't be called she... but the fact is that as a native english speaker I often refer to inanimate objects as having gender... especially when they are doing well or are a problem... note the gender doesn't change with the situation... hence if you are going to assign a gender then it makes sense to assign one that presupposes the good times and the bad... hence female
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    Post  Isos on Thu May 23, 2019 8:49 am

    I learned that for objects or animals you need to use "it" instead of she or he.
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    Post  hoom on Thu May 23, 2019 10:22 am

    Inanimate objects like ships or cars or aircraft are often given genders for descriptions.
    You can use gender but its not technically correct.
    Point is many languages eg French require everything to have an assigned gender, English isn't one.
    From my understanding Russia assigns male, female or neutral gender.

    I learned that for objects or animals you need to use "it" instead of she or he.
    Inanimate.

    That said, this is the 22160 thread not the grammar nazi thread, how about we get back to the topic? Off Topic
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    Post  GarryB on Thu May 23, 2019 11:11 am

    You can use gender but its not technically correct.

    Actually, while the english language does have rules, those rules are often changed to reflect the way the language is being used rather more than the language being used is changed to meet the rules.

    When I was at university I did an anthropology paper where my lecturer read out some proper english and I didn't understand a single word... not a single word, because it was proper english from several hundred years ago.

    In fact some of the spellings of words in english look funny now because the pronunciation has changed but the spelling has not because of the spread of the typeset and things called dictionaries.

    Common use means more than what is written in a book.... simply because languages change.
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    Post  hoom on Thu May 23, 2019 11:49 am

    Queen's English was invoked though & so much as we have rules they apply in that case.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri May 24, 2019 7:39 am

    When I was growing up all news readers and tv presenters had to speak the queens english... these days not... nobody has to speak the queens english at all, in fact one of the tv stations here uses a pacific correspondent who has a serious lisp which is really bloody annoying, but seems to be accepted.

    Language is for communication, not criticism... if you don't understand then ask for clarification... otherwise I'll say Tomato and you say Tomato...
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    Post  hoom on Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:29 am

    Dimitry Rogachev to join the fleet on 10th June. https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6528667
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    Post  George1 on Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:32 am

    The head patrol ship "Vasily Bykov" of project 22160 first entered the military service

    On the morning of June 10, 2019, the Vasily Bykov patrol ship of Project 22160 from the 184th brigade of the OVR ships of the Novorossiysk naval basement went into service from Sevastopol. At the end of May, the ship arrived from Novorossiysk to prepare for the upcoming campaign. After a few days, completing the passage of the Black Sea straits, "Vasily Bykov" will be part of the Russian Navy Task Force in the far sea zone, and will also call into Tartus. In the future, the ship will make the transition to the Baltic Fleet, and at the end of July it will take part in the Main Naval Parade of the Russian Navy in Kronstadt.

    For the crew this is the first combat service in the far sea zone. Together with the Vasily Bykov PC, the Velikiy Ustyug MRK of the Caspian Flotilla entered the military service.

    In the photo: PC "Vasily Bykov" for the first time enters combat service from Sevastopol. June 10, 2019. The author - A. Balabin.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:07 pm


    Dmitry Rogachev delivered to the Navy

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/120869/

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    Post  Isos on Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:05 pm


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    #ВМФ #ЧФ🇷🇺#Russian #Navy RFS 368 'Vasiliy Bykov', a patrol ship of project 22160 and RFS 651 'Velikiy Ustyug', a Buyan-M Class corvette departed from #Sevastopol to the Mediterranean
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:06 am





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    Post  Isos on Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:55 pm

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    #ВМФ #ЧФ🇷🇺#Russian #Navy  RFS 368 'Vasiliy Bykov', a patrol ship of project 22160 arrived #Ceuta, 🇪🇸#Spain  on 18th June 2019
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    Post  hoom on Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:56 am

    Passing English Channel
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    Post  hoom on Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:43 pm

    Info poster from Army 2019
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    I think that confirms these are overweight.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:01 pm


    How much are they supposed to weight?
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:06 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    How much are they supposed to weight?

    Export 1300

    Domestic 1700

    Assuming 1900 isn't a typo no one noticed, 200 pounds over isn't that bad.
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    Post  franco on Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:34 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    How much are they supposed to weight?

    Export 1300

    Domestic 1700

    Assuming 1900 isn't a typo no one noticed, 200 pounds over isn't that bad.

    200 tonnes mon ami.
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    Post  hoom on Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:24 am

    Bykov at Kronstadt
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    Post  hoom on Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:32 pm

    Arriving for IMDS

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:04 am

    hoom wrote:
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    The new paint scheme or just for St. Petersburg IMDS?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:54 pm


    I posted this here originally:
    http://www.russiadefence.net/t4650p125-border-service-and-coast-guard-of-russia#260548


    But it seems relevant for this topic as well so I'm putting it here just in case

    This is concept of Coast Guard patrol vessel with specs in range of Svetlak patrol boat

    Judging from lower hull shape it seem to be Bykov-class derivative


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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:33 am

    In the early 2000s there was a book called Russias Arms 2001-2002, which was a catalogue of Russian products basically with information provided by the Russian manufacturers themselves that had a lot of existing ship designs of the period. There was a follow on book called Russias Arms 2004 and they included a lot of new ship designs that very much followed this shape and they listed them in different weight classes with different configurations with different weapon options shown... the shape of the bows and the command deck and the main gun position were similar to this model... in fact the different sized boats had the same basic stealthy shape but with different sizes they had different gun options and different missile armament.

    I don't remember one this small with only the one gun however, so 20 odd years of experience has altered their product range... which of course is a good thing.

    Would point out that the angles are the same on all the of the drawings (not models), and they all seemed to have helicopter pads, which is interesting... most mentioned Ka-226 or Ka-27 class helos in their descriptions...

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