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    Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  max steel on Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:20 pm

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:29 pm


    Zircium, already?? Suspect
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  franco on Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:30 pm


    80 cruise missiles of various types and 96 Fort-M... impressive thumbsup
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:07 am

    franco wrote:80 cruise missiles of various types and 96 Fort-M... impressive  thumbsup

    Floating 'Death Star' Smile

    But I doubt it will be equipped with the Zircon straight away...probably some time post 2020

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Tyloe on Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:21 am






    Pics from IMDS2015 of possible application of Zaslon MF AESA radar for upgrading the Kirovs.
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:22 pm

    Regarding Zircon it is the replacement missile for Onyx and will be designed to fit in the standard UKSK vertical launch system... so presumably when it is ready for service every new Russian vessel and vessel upgraded with UKSK tubes will be able to carry and use it... from corvette to carrier...

    I would assume in addition to replacing Onyx with a hypersonic missile they will also likely upgrade Kalibr with a longer ranged model too.


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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Firebird on Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:45 pm

    Is that pic of an upgraded Kirov class?
    Or is it some concept art for an enlarged Leader class cruiser/similar?

    There seems to be quite a lot of changes vis a vis the current Kirovs.

    Also, I wonder if a Kirov could be "stealthified"?

    Finally, I wonder what long term plans they have for the Kirov hulls.
    Maybe ICMB or intercontinental cruise missile carrying? Maybe they could hold the huge generators for laser defence and EM guns? Maybe as a launch base for smaller satellites?

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Tyloe on Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:06 am

    Firebird wrote:Is that pic of an upgraded Kirov class?
    Or is it some concept art for an enlarged Leader class cruiser/similar?

    There seems to be quite a lot of changes vis a vis the current Kirovs.

    Also, I wonder if a Kirov could be "stealthified"?

    Finally, I wonder what long term plans they have for the Kirov hulls.
    Maybe ICMB or intercontinental cruise missile carrying? Maybe they could hold the huge generators for laser defence and EM guns? Maybe as a launch base for smaller satellites?

    The pictures were for marketing and a rough concept of how Zaslon's naval radar can applied in various systems. Such as being included in the modernisation program for Nakhimov and Pyotr Velikiy and other naval ship projects. No news about a contract being awarded to Zaslon for possible new radar systems for the kirovs.. yet.

    Modern phased arrays would generate a much higher quality search and targeting over what they have now, and  would drastically help with target discrimination and less susceptible to jamming if it works with other radar systems operating at different bands. Like the Poliment 5P-20K AESA on the Gorshkov-class frigate, they also have a much higher surface and air search volume, and can track many times more targets, and detect them at longer range, than Kirov's current systems. So it would make sense if the navy was looking to upgrade the electron systems to work with new missile systems as well, and companies like Zaslon, want a piece of the pie.


    As for stealth re-construction of Kirov's superstructure, it's probably unlikely since the main focus of the refit and upgrades of Nakhimov are its armament. Also funds.
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:47 am

    The kirov class vessels were already considered rather stealthy in terms of RCS.

    I remember a british naval professional once said that when tracking a Kirov the radar return was much smaller than would be expected from such a large vessel and that it was the size of the wake that usually identified the vessel as being a Kirov as opposed to being a much smaller vessel.

    This was mainly due to the internal nature of all the primary weapons.


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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:28 am

    Does anyone know if there is truth to the rumour that the hull and reactor/propulsion of the Ural SSV-33 intelligence ship (a Pr 1144 hull) is being preserved rather than scrapped? "Recent" photos of the hulk show the superstructures almost completely removed, but the hull appears intact.

    Could the Russian military be mothballing the Ural with a mind to rebuilding her in the future as a Kirov Mk 2?
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:58 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Does anyone know if there is truth to the rumour that the hull and reactor/propulsion of the Ural SSV-33 intelligence ship (a Pr 1144 hull) is being preserved rather than scrapped?  "Recent" photos of the hulk show the superstructures almost completely removed, but the hull appears intact.

    Could the Russian military be mothballing the Ural with a mind to rebuilding her in the future as a Kirov Mk 2?

    Orr nuclear sysatem-6 drones mother ship Smile More seriously building a warship on her IMHO is no good idea costs can be prohibitively high comparing to results.

    Maybe something like EW/ Railgun / Laser ship?
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:34 am

    Currently, the company "Sevmash" is undergoing renovation and modernization of heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov", work on it is scheduled for completion in 2018. repair of the cruiser "Peter the Great" will be held in 2019.

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=3&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160208/1371310443.html&usg=ALkJrhis_3Bbb-UmznllRfuoVCYoUzS3mA


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    Post  zardof on Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:10 pm

    I check (https://maps.yandex.ru) and Nuclear Cruiser Admiral Lazarev left recently dry dock in Dunay for Bukhta Abrek bay after basic repair and paint.
    I wish he will go soon for overhault like Admiral Nakhimov.  Very Happy
    Not far from him is Ivan Rogov BDK A Nikolayev .... another goog candidate for overhault after Mistral collapse and BDC Ivan Green delays.
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Isos on Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:47 pm

    Will the upgraded kirov have still 800 people on board or less (by automatisation like they did on alpha subs)?
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:07 am

    Considering the sophistication of this class and the large number of sophisticated systems that it incorporates, its complement of 700-800 is already a tiny complement and is a result of extreme automation.

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Austin on Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:20 am

    Can some one tell me what is the final weapons configuration for upgraded Nakhimov if its known officially ?

    Like number and types of SAM , SSM , CIWS , Torpedoes etc
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:37 am

    Austin wrote:Can some one tell me what is the final weapons configuration for upgraded Nakhimov if its known officially ?

    Like number and types of SAM , SSM , CIWS , Torpedoes etc

    The only thins I´ve read in ria news was 80 Calibers as ASch warfare. Unfortunately cannot find it now. I am also curious what will be after 2020 with her.
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Isos on Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:30 pm

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:39 pm

    Isos wrote:

    is this official? do you have source? It woudl look nice if true but why to keep obsolete TORd if you can have so many Reduts?
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Isos on Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:46 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Isos wrote:

    is this official? do you have source?  It woudl look nice if true but why to keep obsolete TORd if you can have so many Reduts?

    I just found this on Google image (http://z13.invisionfree.com/TheBelkanEmpire/index.php?showtopic=140&view=getnewpost). Not a reliable source but it has nice images.

    Tor isn't obsolate in its last variants. A short range missile against anti ship missiles, maybe also against shells ... So they can load all the UKSK with long range Redut/S400.


    Can someone translate what's written ?


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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Militarov on Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:54 pm

    Isos wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Isos wrote:

    is this official? do you have source?  It woudl look nice if true but why to keep obsolete TORd if you can have so many Reduts?

    I just found this on Google image (http://z13.invisionfree.com/TheBelkanEmpire/index.php?showtopic=140&view=getnewpost).

    Tor isn't obsolate in its last variants. A short range missile against anti ship missiles, maybe also against shells ... So they can load all the UKSK with long range Redut/S400.


    Can someone translate what's written ?

    Translation:

    One modernisation variant of missile cruiser Project. 1144.2

    Heavy nuclear missile cruiser project 144.3
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:37 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Isos wrote:

    I just found this on Google image (http://z13.invisionfree.com/TheBelkanEmpire/index.php?showtopic=140&view=getnewpost).


    This varians is real but I am afraid only for Belkan Empire not Russian one Razz

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Isos on Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:48 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Isos wrote:

    I just found this on Google image (http://z13.invisionfree.com/TheBelkanEmpire/index.php?showtopic=140&view=getnewpost).


    This varians is real but I am afraid only for Belkan Empire not Russian one  Razz


    ^^ Well we can imagine russia's one will be similar to this one.

    Shocked 144 Oniks/kalibr = 144 Million $ (if one of them is 1 Million $) It's the cost of a Steregoushchi. It has more anti ship missile than a normal navy has Anti air missiles Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Boban on Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:14 pm

    The price tag for the ship including all those missiles is insane.

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  chicken on Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:05 am

    Nakhimov gets S-300FM (like Peter the Great) and Paket-NK, no Redut.
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