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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:01 pm

    Heavy nuclear missile cruiser Project 11442 "Admiral Nakhimov" - view from space




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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Naval Fan on Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:03 am

    Good picture, amazing to see a tougher Kirov being added to an already visious arsenal of ships. I wonder if the main guns will be modified to 7-8 inches, as that would be pretty tank.
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  George1 on Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:58 am

    "Sevmash" will be able to transfer to the Navy the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" in 2018


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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Tyloe on Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:20 am

    Aleksandr Shishkin estimates renovation would cost 50 billion rubles ($1 billion); 30 billion ($600 million) for the ship and 20 billion ($400 million) for new armaments and systems.

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Militarov on Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:53 am

    Havent they said how Lazarev is in "unoperable" condition, and was supposed to be reason why they decided to overhaul Nakhimov instead? From where now comes this Lazarev overhaul story in Zvezda (hopefully if that happens they wont burn him like subs)? Is it sign they are unable to build ships of significant size in near future so they seek old mamooths to upgun them?
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:04 am

    Militarov wrote:Havent they said how Lazarev is in "unoperable" condition, and was supposed to be reason why they decided to overhaul Nakhimov instead? From where now comes this Lazarev overhaul story in Zvezda (hopefully if that happens they wont burn him like subs)? Is it sign they are unable to build ships of significant size in near future so they seek old mamooths to upgun them?

    The Lazarev looked to be in excellent condition under the grime and thin coat of surface rust, judging by the photos of her superstructure after blasting and painting. There looks to be no reason why she cannot be deep-modernised and emerge as a 1st class combatant. There is some scuttlebutt that she has reactor issues, but that is likely just confusion with Adm Ushakov (or wishful thinking from the HATO trolls)

    BTW Russia is having to rebuild her shipbuilding industry from a low starting level following decades of neglect and inactivity, so for the moment the new construction of large surface combatants really isn't feasible. The Pr 1144 will therefore be retained and modernised to fufill the needed role of heavy warship to serve as group flagships.
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Militarov on Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:16 pm

    I am well aware that Russian shipbuilding industry was mostly sleeping for decade and a half however they didnt do much to preserve their manpower at least which is the most important asset in shipbuilding i guess you will agree with that, its not easy to get enough of experienced engineers and welders especially.

    Hm, well so if Lazarev gets overhaul too they will have 3 battlecruisers to form at least in theory 3 major battlegroups.
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:40 am

    One factor in favour of the Pr 1144s is that the vessels seem to have been well preserved while sitting at their moorings. Not only does steel corrode at slower rates in the cold northern climates, but the use of impressed-current cathodic protection systems will fully protect steel from corrosion, provided the anode beds are replaced as needed and the voltage levels surveyed on a regular basis. It would also help if they have purged the vessel interiors with nitrogen gas and sealed them to eliminate internal corrosion and kill vermin (it also gets rid of unwary trespassers and looters...).
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:45 am

    When there is no money for 15 years exactly what can they do to retain their knowledge and experience?

    besides when the money starts flowing the first thing they had to do was upgrade all their tooling and systems... then they needed to hire and train a new workforce... and the best way to learn to use new tooling is to use it to build actual ships and subs.

    The problem is that building a corvette is not the same as building a frigate or a destroyer or a cruiser.

    Also, while systems and equipment is standardised so the UKSK launcher in a corvette is the same as the UKSK launcher in a cruiser... the difference being the corvette might have one launcher while the cruiser might have 10 or more and the systems they are plugged into will be different... the radar and sensors on a cruiser will be larger and more powerful than those on a corvette.

    the fact is that most of the new stuff to be added to the older vessels to upgrade them will likely be related to the new modular stuff that would be put into a new build ship anyway.

    the problems of integration will be greater, but over time the mass production of specific parts will reduce their costs and make maintainence and use easier and cheaper.

    The new reactors they are designing could be fitted to the Kirovs as a good way to get operational experience with them now instead of 15 years time.


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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  George1 on Fri Oct 23, 2015 4:58 pm

    Nuclear-powered cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" will join Navy at the turn of the 2020s

    MOSCOW, October 23 - RIA Novosti. The nuclear-powered missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" at the turn of the 2020s will replace the flagship of the Northern Fleet, "Peter the Great", which in turn will go to repair, said Friday the TV channel "Russia-24", Deputy Chief of the Russian Navy, Vice-Admiral Victor Bursuc.


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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  George1 on Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:04 am

    Universal vertical launchers ЗС-14 for the modernization of the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov"

    The official website of procurement of "PO" Sevmash "contains information on the conclusion of the agreement with JSC" KB SM "(St. Petersburg, is a concern of "Almaz-Antey") for the manufacture and supply of 10 universal vertical launchers [UVLM] ЗС-14-11442М, for the modernization of heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" Project 11442.

    Production will be carried out on the basis of terms of reference "Modification UVLM 3C-14-22350 complexes 3K-14, 9K, 3M55, 3K-22 with respect to the order of 11442M" [3K14 - universal shipboard firing system (UKSK) "Calibre", 3M55 - anti-ship missiles "Onyx" , 3K22 - probably with antiship missile system / hypersonic (?) rocket "Zircon"].
    One UVLM unit is designed for eight rocket places, so after upgrading the cruiser will carry 80 anti-ship missiles, as previously reported Navy Commander Chirkov. Before upgrading anti-ship missile armament of the ship involved "Granit" (20 rockets on a launcher).

    The estimated price of the contract is defined in the 2559 mln.Τhe term of the contract is set to end ιν 2018. Enforcement will be carried out in stages. At the first phase, will be made one deliverable sample UVLM. In accordance with the decision, it will be subjected to standard tests, the first stage of which is carried out at the booth of the manufacturer (standard factory testing). After obtaining positive results of the design documentation UVLM ЗС-14-11442M will be assigned letter "O".

    In the second phase will be produced nine UVLM, scheduled on a monthly basis to produce one with the completion of the installation phase by May 2017. Cost of production - 2 217 million.

    The third phase will be issued technological equipment necessary for commissioning works at UVLM and the second phase of a type test sample UVLM first deliverable and deliverable set of sample loading means [SPC]. It includes the 3M-54T ORM [dimensions and weight layout antiship missiles 3M-54T "Caliber"] 3M55GMM [overall and a massive mock anti-ship missile 3M55 "Onyx"] 3M22GMM [overall and a massive mock anti-ship missile 3M22 "Zircon"] . Performance time for Phase 3 - December 2016, Price - 78 million rubles.

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Militarov on Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:23 pm

    George1 wrote:Universal vertical launchers ЗС-14 for the modernization of the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov"

       The official website of procurement of "PO" Sevmash "contains information on the conclusion of the agreement with JSC" KB SM "(St. Petersburg, is a concern of "Almaz-Antey") for the manufacture and supply of 10 universal vertical launchers [UVLM] ЗС-14-11442М,  for the modernization of heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" Project 11442.

       Production will be carried out on the basis of terms of reference "Modification UVLM 3C-14-22350 complexes 3K-14, 9K, 3M55, 3K-22 with respect to the order of 11442M" [3K14 - universal shipboard firing system (UKSK) "Calibre", 3M55 - anti-ship missiles "Onyx" , 3K22 - probably with antiship missile system / hypersonic (?) rocket "Zircon"].
    One UVLM unit is designed for eight rocket places, so after upgrading the cruiser will carry 80 anti-ship missiles, as previously reported Navy Commander Chirkov. Before upgrading anti-ship missile armament of the ship involved "Granit" (20 rockets on a launcher).

    The estimated price of the contract is defined in the 2559 mln.Τhe term of the contract is set to end ιν 2018. Enforcement will be carried out in stages. At the first phase, will be made one deliverable sample UVLM. In accordance with the decision, it will be subjected to standard tests, the first stage of which is carried out at the booth of the manufacturer (standard factory testing). After obtaining positive results of the design documentation UVLM ЗС-14-11442M will be assigned letter "O".

    In the second phase will be produced nine UVLM, scheduled on a monthly basis to produce one with the completion of the installation phase by May 2017. Cost of production - 2 217 million.

    The third phase will be issued technological equipment necessary for commissioning works at UVLM and the second phase of a type test sample UVLM first deliverable and deliverable set of sample loading means [SPC]. It includes the 3M-54T ORM [dimensions and weight layout antiship missiles 3M-54T "Caliber"] 3M55GMM [overall and a massive mock anti-ship missile 3M55 "Onyx"] 3M22GMM [overall and a massive mock anti-ship missile 3M22 "Zircon"] . Performance time for Phase 3 - December 2016, Price - 78 million rubles.

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    This sounds good, versatility will be increased greatly.
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:06 am

    Great news...

    Some more talk about the Nakhimov receiving Zircon hypersonic missiles...the missile is planned to be finished around 2020....it would be a pity if these ships don't receive the S-500

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Kimppis on Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:43 pm

    Wait... So Nakhimov has been delayed?
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:44 pm

    Kimppis wrote:Wait... So Nakhimov has been delayed?

    For about one year it seems.
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:18 am


    Can anyone elaborate?

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:02 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Can anyone elaborate?

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1573597.html

    So the ship is going to have Fort-M which is a derivative of the S-300 for the navy.  So it will have the same SAM system as the Peter the Great: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_battlecruiser_Pyotr_Velikiy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_(missile)#FM
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:45 am

    It talks about launchers front and rear for Fort-M... I wonder if that means they will have more launchers ready to fire?

    I was hoping they would go for a more elaborate new vertical launcher upgrade with fixed vertical tubes like Redut. It seems they are going with the older launcher with multi missile revovling vertical launch systems with 8 or so missiles for each hatch... rather more complicated IMHO.

    Instead of which a fixed grid of launch tubes where the missiles remain fixed and are not moved into alignment with launch hatches is simpler and a more efficient use of internal space.

    The Fort-M is a similar size to the large S-400 missiles so in terms of upgrading to the new missiles it would be much cheaper and simpler.

    The late model Fort-M has a range of 250km and active radar homing so is a potent enough SAM for the role.


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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  max steel on Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:20 pm

    Largest missile cruiser to hold hypersonic missiles



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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:29 pm

    max steel wrote:Largest missile cruiser to hold hypersonic missiles

    Zircium, already?? Suspect
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  franco on Sat Nov 14, 2015 3:30 pm

    max steel wrote:Largest missile cruiser to hold hypersonic missiles




    80 cruise missiles of various types and 96 Fort-M... impressive thumbsup
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:07 pm

    franco wrote:80 cruise missiles of various types and 96 Fort-M... impressive  thumbsup

    Floating 'Death Star' Smile

    But I doubt it will be equipped with the Zircon straight away...probably some time post 2020

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Tyloe on Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:21 am






    Pics from IMDS2015 of possible application of Zaslon MF AESA radar for upgrading the Kirovs.
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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:22 am

    Regarding Zircon it is the replacement missile for Onyx and will be designed to fit in the standard UKSK vertical launch system... so presumably when it is ready for service every new Russian vessel and vessel upgraded with UKSK tubes will be able to carry and use it... from corvette to carrier...

    I would assume in addition to replacing Onyx with a hypersonic missile they will also likely upgrade Kalibr with a longer ranged model too.


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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Firebird on Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:45 pm

    Is that pic of an upgraded Kirov class?
    Or is it some concept art for an enlarged Leader class cruiser/similar?

    There seems to be quite a lot of changes vis a vis the current Kirovs.

    Also, I wonder if a Kirov could be "stealthified"?

    Finally, I wonder what long term plans they have for the Kirov hulls.
    Maybe ICMB or intercontinental cruise missile carrying? Maybe they could hold the huge generators for laser defence and EM guns? Maybe as a launch base for smaller satellites?

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