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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun May 31, 2015 10:08 am

    collegeboy16 wrote:
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    Is this Nakhimov prior to being put into drydock? or is it Kirov being scrapped?
    replacing the granit launchers with the new vls??

    AFAIK S-400 was planned and Clubs replacing Granits. Exchange ration in Anteys was 3:1 but here 4:1 so whooping 80 Clubs.

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:50 am

    JSC Zavod "Kirov-Energomash" started inspection of the main power unit and auxiliary equipment of the nuclear-powered cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov"
    http://www.flotprom.ru/2015/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%822/

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Ranxerox71 on Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:18 am

    Cyberspec wrote:We'll have to wait and see I guess.

    I stumbled on a report on corruption in the Pacific Fleet about stollen fuel...but at least the prosecutors seem to be doing their job


    Last year, with the ships of the Pacific Fleet bases and stole more than 1.4 thousand tons of fuel, damage to the Navy from these actions is estimated at almost 50 million rubles

    This was stated by the prosecutor general of the Russian Federation Full State Counselor of Justice Yuri Chaika, in his report "On the state of law in the country", which he submitted to the Federation Council on Tuesday, 28 April reports Lenta.ru.

    Chaika said that all the facts of the case are being investigated criminal cases, involving 24 officers and 14 civilian personnel.

    Speaking about the situation with corruption in the Armed Forces, the Attorney General said that in 2014, military prosecutors revealed 1896 crimes related to corruption. At the top of the list are appropriation, embezzlement, fraud, and forgery. Total damage caused by the armed forces of corruption, has exceeded 7 billion rubles. In the criminal charges brought against 713 officers, 257 officers have been convicted. Also Yuri Chaika said that the supervisory authority has prevented damage to the State amounting to 1.5 billion rubles. This has been achieved by the suppression of criminal activity when paying developmental works, supply of coal at higher prices and payment outsourcing services of OAO "Slavjanka"

    http://flot.com/2015/193011/
    In this situation, if i will be on Putin place, when onto Russia actually is declered WAR, because let's do not forget, before WWII in legue of nation , imposing of economic sanction on any country, can be taken exactly same like declaration of WAR, that wasn't something which legaue of nation is made up just for fun, because they then already was know how danger can be to put any poerfull country in any kind of blokade, Ukraine is also nothing else then attempt of USA on first place and they slaves in the shape of smaller and little bigger western EU countries to Declare PROXY war on Ethnical Russians which lives in Ukraine, while Sanctions in reality do not bring almsot any permanent and non substitutional damage, because of that Situation whit Ukraine is in every day goes further on the way whit smaller and smaller chance for exit from extremely danger situation for whole Europe whit maximal optimistic way of thinking( which Putin was try to explain to Americans, and Western Europe and especially Ukrainian people, to which he only really cared about, because it was not long ago to a thousand times announced the aggression of Russia(by western media) at whole teritorry of Ukraine (here is just what is not, tomorrow will, etc.)That would be executed in reality. So in lights of all those happening ,Stilling from the Army, by the lower ranking officers and soldiers will be draconic punished in such manner that never ever , to nobody else come onto mind to try again still from the Army, even that will be Shoygy it self (But Shoygy wouldnt do something like that for 7 his lifes like second man of Russian Army), And because of that Putin very offten suprise me, this time in bad manner, those people must be punished much more severe then that was pure civilian case.because they was which those act directly undermining Navy readiness and Russian army capability for deffence as a whole.

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  George1 on Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:26 am

    Russian Navy will receive the modernized cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" in 2018


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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:01 pm

    Heavy nuclear missile cruiser Project 11442 "Admiral Nakhimov" - view from space




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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Naval Fan on Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:03 pm

    Good picture, amazing to see a tougher Kirov being added to an already visious arsenal of ships. I wonder if the main guns will be modified to 7-8 inches, as that would be pretty tank.

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  George1 on Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:58 pm

    "Sevmash" will be able to transfer to the Navy the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" in 2018


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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Tyloe on Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:20 pm

    Aleksandr Shishkin estimates renovation would cost 50 billion rubles ($1 billion); 30 billion ($600 million) for the ship and 20 billion ($400 million) for new armaments and systems.

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Militarov on Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:53 pm

    Havent they said how Lazarev is in "unoperable" condition, and was supposed to be reason why they decided to overhaul Nakhimov instead? From where now comes this Lazarev overhaul story in Zvezda (hopefully if that happens they wont burn him like subs)? Is it sign they are unable to build ships of significant size in near future so they seek old mamooths to upgun them?

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:04 pm

    Militarov wrote:Havent they said how Lazarev is in "unoperable" condition, and was supposed to be reason why they decided to overhaul Nakhimov instead? From where now comes this Lazarev overhaul story in Zvezda (hopefully if that happens they wont burn him like subs)? Is it sign they are unable to build ships of significant size in near future so they seek old mamooths to upgun them?

    The Lazarev looked to be in excellent condition under the grime and thin coat of surface rust, judging by the photos of her superstructure after blasting and painting. There looks to be no reason why she cannot be deep-modernised and emerge as a 1st class combatant. There is some scuttlebutt that she has reactor issues, but that is likely just confusion with Adm Ushakov (or wishful thinking from the HATO trolls)

    BTW Russia is having to rebuild her shipbuilding industry from a low starting level following decades of neglect and inactivity, so for the moment the new construction of large surface combatants really isn't feasible. The Pr 1144 will therefore be retained and modernised to fufill the needed role of heavy warship to serve as group flagships.

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Militarov on Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:16 am

    I am well aware that Russian shipbuilding industry was mostly sleeping for decade and a half however they didnt do much to preserve their manpower at least which is the most important asset in shipbuilding i guess you will agree with that, its not easy to get enough of experienced engineers and welders especially.

    Hm, well so if Lazarev gets overhaul too they will have 3 battlecruisers to form at least in theory 3 major battlegroups.

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:40 am

    One factor in favour of the Pr 1144s is that the vessels seem to have been well preserved while sitting at their moorings. Not only does steel corrode at slower rates in the cold northern climates, but the use of impressed-current cathodic protection systems will fully protect steel from corrosion, provided the anode beds are replaced as needed and the voltage levels surveyed on a regular basis. It would also help if they have purged the vessel interiors with nitrogen gas and sealed them to eliminate internal corrosion and kill vermin (it also gets rid of unwary trespassers and looters...).

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:45 am

    When there is no money for 15 years exactly what can they do to retain their knowledge and experience?

    besides when the money starts flowing the first thing they had to do was upgrade all their tooling and systems... then they needed to hire and train a new workforce... and the best way to learn to use new tooling is to use it to build actual ships and subs.

    The problem is that building a corvette is not the same as building a frigate or a destroyer or a cruiser.

    Also, while systems and equipment is standardised so the UKSK launcher in a corvette is the same as the UKSK launcher in a cruiser... the difference being the corvette might have one launcher while the cruiser might have 10 or more and the systems they are plugged into will be different... the radar and sensors on a cruiser will be larger and more powerful than those on a corvette.

    the fact is that most of the new stuff to be added to the older vessels to upgrade them will likely be related to the new modular stuff that would be put into a new build ship anyway.

    the problems of integration will be greater, but over time the mass production of specific parts will reduce their costs and make maintainence and use easier and cheaper.

    The new reactors they are designing could be fitted to the Kirovs as a good way to get operational experience with them now instead of 15 years time.


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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  George1 on Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:58 pm

    Nuclear-powered cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" will join Navy at the turn of the 2020s

    MOSCOW, October 23 - RIA Novosti. The nuclear-powered missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" at the turn of the 2020s will replace the flagship of the Northern Fleet, "Peter the Great", which in turn will go to repair, said Friday the TV channel "Russia-24", Deputy Chief of the Russian Navy, Vice-Admiral Victor Bursuc.


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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  George1 on Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:04 pm

    Universal vertical launchers ЗС-14 for the modernization of the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov"

    The official website of procurement of "PO" Sevmash "contains information on the conclusion of the agreement with JSC" KB SM "(St. Petersburg, is a concern of "Almaz-Antey") for the manufacture and supply of 10 universal vertical launchers [UVLM] ЗС-14-11442М, for the modernization of heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" Project 11442.

    Production will be carried out on the basis of terms of reference "Modification UVLM 3C-14-22350 complexes 3K-14, 9K, 3M55, 3K-22 with respect to the order of 11442M" [3K14 - universal shipboard firing system (UKSK) "Calibre", 3M55 - anti-ship missiles "Onyx" , 3K22 - probably with antiship missile system / hypersonic (?) rocket "Zircon"].
    One UVLM unit is designed for eight rocket places, so after upgrading the cruiser will carry 80 anti-ship missiles, as previously reported Navy Commander Chirkov. Before upgrading anti-ship missile armament of the ship involved "Granit" (20 rockets on a launcher).

    The estimated price of the contract is defined in the 2559 mln.Τhe term of the contract is set to end ιν 2018. Enforcement will be carried out in stages. At the first phase, will be made one deliverable sample UVLM. In accordance with the decision, it will be subjected to standard tests, the first stage of which is carried out at the booth of the manufacturer (standard factory testing). After obtaining positive results of the design documentation UVLM ЗС-14-11442M will be assigned letter "O".

    In the second phase will be produced nine UVLM, scheduled on a monthly basis to produce one with the completion of the installation phase by May 2017. Cost of production - 2 217 million.

    The third phase will be issued technological equipment necessary for commissioning works at UVLM and the second phase of a type test sample UVLM first deliverable and deliverable set of sample loading means [SPC]. It includes the 3M-54T ORM [dimensions and weight layout antiship missiles 3M-54T "Caliber"] 3M55GMM [overall and a massive mock anti-ship missile 3M55 "Onyx"] 3M22GMM [overall and a massive mock anti-ship missile 3M22 "Zircon"] . Performance time for Phase 3 - December 2016, Price - 78 million rubles.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1544307.html


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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Militarov on Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:23 pm

    George1 wrote:Universal vertical launchers ЗС-14 for the modernization of the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov"

       The official website of procurement of "PO" Sevmash "contains information on the conclusion of the agreement with JSC" KB SM "(St. Petersburg, is a concern of "Almaz-Antey") for the manufacture and supply of 10 universal vertical launchers [UVLM] ЗС-14-11442М,  for the modernization of heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" Project 11442.

       Production will be carried out on the basis of terms of reference "Modification UVLM 3C-14-22350 complexes 3K-14, 9K, 3M55, 3K-22 with respect to the order of 11442M" [3K14 - universal shipboard firing system (UKSK) "Calibre", 3M55 - anti-ship missiles "Onyx" , 3K22 - probably with antiship missile system / hypersonic (?) rocket "Zircon"].
    One UVLM unit is designed for eight rocket places, so after upgrading the cruiser will carry 80 anti-ship missiles, as previously reported Navy Commander Chirkov. Before upgrading anti-ship missile armament of the ship involved "Granit" (20 rockets on a launcher).

    The estimated price of the contract is defined in the 2559 mln.Τhe term of the contract is set to end ιν 2018. Enforcement will be carried out in stages. At the first phase, will be made one deliverable sample UVLM. In accordance with the decision, it will be subjected to standard tests, the first stage of which is carried out at the booth of the manufacturer (standard factory testing). After obtaining positive results of the design documentation UVLM ЗС-14-11442M will be assigned letter "O".

    In the second phase will be produced nine UVLM, scheduled on a monthly basis to produce one with the completion of the installation phase by May 2017. Cost of production - 2 217 million.

    The third phase will be issued technological equipment necessary for commissioning works at UVLM and the second phase of a type test sample UVLM first deliverable and deliverable set of sample loading means [SPC]. It includes the 3M-54T ORM [dimensions and weight layout antiship missiles 3M-54T "Caliber"] 3M55GMM [overall and a massive mock anti-ship missile 3M55 "Onyx"] 3M22GMM [overall and a massive mock anti-ship missile 3M22 "Zircon"] . Performance time for Phase 3 - December 2016, Price - 78 million rubles.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1544307.html

    This sounds good, versatility will be increased greatly.

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:06 am

    Great news...

    Some more talk about the Nakhimov receiving Zircon hypersonic missiles...the missile is planned to be finished around 2020....it would be a pity if these ships don't receive the S-500

    http://warfiles.ru/show-98495-krylatye-rakety-cirkon-glavnaya-sila-kreyserov-1144.html

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Kimppis on Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:43 am

    Wait... So Nakhimov has been delayed?

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  Militarov on Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:44 am

    Kimppis wrote:Wait... So Nakhimov has been delayed?

    For about one year it seems.

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:18 pm


    Can anyone elaborate?

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1573597.html

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:02 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Can anyone elaborate?

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1573597.html

    So the ship is going to have Fort-M which is a derivative of the S-300 for the navy.  So it will have the same SAM system as the Peter the Great: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_battlecruiser_Pyotr_Velikiy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_(missile)#FM

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:45 pm

    It talks about launchers front and rear for Fort-M... I wonder if that means they will have more launchers ready to fire?

    I was hoping they would go for a more elaborate new vertical launcher upgrade with fixed vertical tubes like Redut. It seems they are going with the older launcher with multi missile revovling vertical launch systems with 8 or so missiles for each hatch... rather more complicated IMHO.

    Instead of which a fixed grid of launch tubes where the missiles remain fixed and are not moved into alignment with launch hatches is simpler and a more efficient use of internal space.

    The Fort-M is a similar size to the large S-400 missiles so in terms of upgrading to the new missiles it would be much cheaper and simpler.

    The late model Fort-M has a range of 250km and active radar homing so is a potent enough SAM for the role.


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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  max steel on Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:20 pm

    Largest missile cruiser to hold hypersonic missiles




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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:29 pm

    max steel wrote:Largest missile cruiser to hold hypersonic missiles

    Zircium, already?? Suspect

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    Re: Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

    Post  franco on Sat Nov 14, 2015 10:30 pm

    max steel wrote:Largest missile cruiser to hold hypersonic missiles




    80 cruise missiles of various types and 96 Fort-M... impressive thumbsup

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