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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  Viktor on Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:10 pm

    Excellent ... I guess Ratnik kit tests passed on successfully ... Very Happy

    Another major job done russia

    Signed a three-year contract for the supply of military equipment "Warrior"

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    Post  Asf on Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:49 am


    military equipment "Warrior"

     'Man-at-Arms' would be a more correct translation of 'Ratnik'  Very Happy

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:20 am



    There is report of a new Ratnik armor... a second generation one.. whats is different now?
    Are there pictures of Ratnik2?

    Also what happened to the AK-12? Did the army dropped it and will go for another? which one?

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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:35 am

    GarryB wrote:
    I totally agree, though I suspect the AK12SN might become a standard military weapon with the ADS used by VDV and naval infantry, while paramilitary forces might get different weapons like these new bullpups that have been revealed...



    In terms of Army weapons the AK12SN will likely include Vintorez type weapons and PKP and RPK-74 and AK-74 and AKS-74U and Vityaz-SN type weapons.


    Which weapons are those ?

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    'Ratnik' contract is signed.

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:36 am

    Nice.

    I am sure there will be problems and parts of the system that don't work properly, but it is a huge step in the right direction and hopefully things will be improved over time.

    I read somewhere that the early Ratnik was 36kgs and that the one being issued is 24kgs so that is a huge improvement on its own.


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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:38 pm

    AD-1 and AD-2, they are bullpups in 5.45 and 7.62 x 39mm calibre for the MVD and FSB etc made by Kalashnikov.

    There is report of a new Ratnik armor... a second generation one.. whats is different now?
    Are there pictures of Ratnik2?

    When you complete a project and start production, the first thing you do is start development work on its replacement.

    Ratnik will be in service for a couple of years and likely get upgrades and things replaced etc, but in 5 years or so they will want something to replace it... they will likely start work now looking at technologies that weren't mature enough now for inclusion with Ratnik, but could be ready in 5 years time for Ratnik 2.

    Stuff like liquid armour and new battery technology etc etc.

    Even new, from scratch, designed weapons.


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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:54 am


    GarryB wrote:AD-1 and AD-2, they are bullpups in 5.45 and 7.62 x 39mm calibre for the MVD and FSB etc made by Kalashnikov.

    Looks like a pair of cool assault rifles to have in urban warfare..to combat ISIL and other jihadist groups.. pirat
    Will be nice to see it online too ..in a Multiplayer Expansion pack in Battlefield or medal of honor games and its damage modeled correctly. Very Happy

    Means no safe place for anyone to hide. no walls or terrain will cover you.. and people will be calling it a cheat.. Laughing

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:56 pm

    Next Generation Ratnik Soldier Equipment to be Adopted Into Service by 2015: Arms Company

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:39 am

    Interesting... the title suggests that the system will start to be adopted in 2015, but the article says it will start now and therefore be finished by the end of next year (2015)... is that possible?

    Or is it a translation error?

    Or am I interpreting it wrong?

    Any Russian speaker seen the original Russian language version?


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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:06 am

    I think it means it will start to come into service in last quartal of 2015 and not be finished in 2015.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:13 am

    That is what I thought but it says:

    The next generation Ratnik military gear will be adopted into service by the Russian Army by the end of 2015,

    In other words it will be in service by the end of 2015 which I first interpreted as meaning it will start entering service at the end of 2015, but then it says:

    "The first delivery of the Ratnik war gear is expected this year and it will be instantly adopted into service," Semizorov announced.

    So it will enter service this year and will be "in service" by the end of 2015.

    I take that to mean it starts entering service now and will be widely deployed by the end of 2015.



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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  Viktor on Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:44 pm

    Russia will produce 50 000 Ratnik sets annually starting 2015 thumbsup

    Russia’s Defense Ministry plans to start procurements of equipment sets “Ratnik” from this October

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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:30 pm

    Reconaisance units have already begun to receive the Ratnik gear according to this

    military intelligence officers began to receive modern combat gear "Ratnik"

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    Post  Regular on Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:59 pm

    Those AC-1 AC-2 bullpups are quite big, they could be more modular, multipeace and with adjustable length of the barrel and etc. Still looks like finished product and probably great at the range. IMHO best bullpup in the service is Tavor 2 (X-95)


    Easy conversion to shoot 9mm, Russian 5.45 and Nato 7.62 is amazing thing. I think Russian SF would love to have this (I wouldn't be surprised if they actually have them ordered in small amounts for tests or whatnot)

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:40 am

    Regular wrote:Those AC-1 AC-2 bullpups are quite big, they could be more modular, multipeace and with adjustable length of the barrel and etc. Still looks like finished product and probably great at the range. IMHO best bullpup in the service is Tavor 2 (X-95)


    Easy conversion to shoot 9mm, Russian 5.45 and Nato 7.62 is amazing thing. I think Russian SF would love to have this (I wouldn't be surprised if they actually have them ordered in small amounts for tests or whatnot)

    Those are some ugly monstrosities, I've seen some good looking military and civilian versions of Tavor rifles, but you just had to pick the photos of the ugliest version of the weapon on the internet didn't you?

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  Regular on Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:28 am

    Rolling Eyes Who cares about looks? 
    Thats how weapon look when it's being used not by civilian. 
    Found it on Russian weapons forum where guy serving in IDF was talking about it. 
    Looks ugly as hell to me, like all bullpups

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:40 am

    I have the opposite aesthetic tastes for weapons than most people my age. I find modern western rifles much uglier due to too much tacticool equipment. Piccatiny rails are the biggest turnoff for me. Russia modern small arms automatically look uglier with it. I wish they could've stuck to the soviet side mounted scop attachment.

    BTW are there any russian designs for an infantry exoskeleton? I would unlock massive possibilities for infantry equipment(imagine exoskeleton equipped troops armed with 14,5 mm assault rifles)

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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:16 am

    Those rifles are really ugly, they are so ugly they whisper to me "Kill me!"

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  Asf on Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:28 pm

     I would unlock massive possibilities for infantry equipment(imagine exoskeleton equipped troops armed with 14,5 mm assault rifles

    Personally I'd vote for bolters  Very Happy They are small arms which fire rocket-propelled HE shells with AP core and delay fuse to explode in the body of a target! Sounds really brutal to me!



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    Post  Asf on Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:36 pm

    Seriously:




    There are vague rumors of some work toward exoskeleton kept in secret

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:59 am

    IMO russia should stop with the spetznaz fetishism and modernize their equipment after the regular mechanized troops do. There should be less focus on producing superspecialised weapons and immediately focus on weapons used for mass conventional warfare(shmel-M, Ak-12, ORSIS T-5000 instead of VKS or AS val), while any new assault rifle or ratnik suit should be given to regulars.
    The spetsnaz will manage for a long time even with their 90's equipment since they know how to use them to their complete potential unlike regulars.

    It's a fact that the less elite a soldier is, the better(ergonomic, accurate) equipment he needs.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:19 am

    It's a fact that the less elite a soldier is, the better(ergonomic, accurate) equipment he needs.

    Understand what you are saying, but you can give some guy that has lived in a big city all his life a sniper rifle and all the kit he needs to be a sniper and he will likely be a very dangerous person, but he certainly wont be a sniper.

    regarding 14.5mm assault rifles and exoskeletons... 30mm 2A42 in a fully stabilised mount... it is called a BMP-2 and it entered service 20 years ago...


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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:00 am

    GarryB wrote:
    It's a fact that the less elite a soldier is, the better(ergonomic, accurate) equipment he needs.

    Understand what you are saying, but you can give some guy that has lived in a big city all his life a sniper rifle and all the kit he needs to be a sniper and he will likely be a very dangerous person, but he certainly wont be a sniper.

    regarding 14.5mm assault rifles and exoskeletons... 30mm 2A42 in a fully stabilised mount... it is called a BMP-2 and it entered service 20 years ago...
    Can the BMP-2 hide in rooms? Can the BMP-2 climb rocks? You're basically saying infantry firepower shouldn't be improved because IFVs will always have larger guns.

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    Post  Asf on Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:31 pm

    IMO russia should stop with the spetznaz fetishism and modernize their equipment after the regular mechanized troops do. There should be less focus on producing superspecialised weapons and immediately focus on weapons used for mass conventional warfare(shmel-M, Ak-12, ORSIS T-5000 instead of VKS or AS val), while any new assault rifle or ratnik suit should be given to regulars.
    VKS and Val are used by regular recon units of regular mechanized troops, for example.
    Ratnik is designed for regular combat troops.

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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:10 pm

    Asf wrote:
    IMO russia should stop with the spetznaz fetishism and modernize their equipment after the regular mechanized troops do. There should be less focus on producing superspecialised weapons and immediately focus on weapons used for mass conventional warfare(shmel-M, Ak-12, ORSIS T-5000 instead of VKS or AS val), while any new assault rifle or ratnik suit should be given to regulars.
    VKS and Val are used by regular recon units of regular mechanized troops, for example.
    Ratnik is designed for regular combat troops.
    I meant that now ratnikand AK-12 are only given to spetsnaz, delaying their delivery to regulars.

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