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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:46 am

    Can the BMP-2 hide in rooms?

    Of course it can.

    You're basically saying infantry firepower shouldn't be improved because IFVs will always have larger guns.

    Even with an exoskeleton a soldier wont be bullet proof, so a 14.5mm AR is simply not necessary.

    It would make rather more sense to give that soldier a laser target marker and use it to guide bombs from orbiting Bears, Backfires, and Blackjacks.

    I meant that now ratnikand AK-12 are only given to spetsnaz, delaying their delivery to regulars.

    I dare say spetsnaz have had it for quite some time and this is a roll out to the Ground forces.


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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  George1 on Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:35 pm

    Asf wrote:
     I would unlock massive possibilities for infantry equipment(imagine exoskeleton equipped troops armed with 14,5 mm assault rifles

    Personally I'd vote for bolters  Very Happy They are small arms which fire rocket-propelled HE shells with AP core and delay fuse to explode in the body of a target! Sounds really brutal to me!


    is this soviet power rangers??? Smile))

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  Regular on Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:06 am

    Asf wrote:
    IMO russia should stop with the spetznaz fetishism and modernize their equipment after the regular mechanized troops do. There should be less focus on producing superspecialised weapons and immediately focus on weapons used for mass conventional warfare(shmel-M, Ak-12, ORSIS T-5000 instead of VKS or AS val), while any new assault rifle or ratnik suit should be given to regulars.
    VKS and Val are used by regular recon units of regular mechanized troops, for example.
    Ratnik is designed for regular combat troops.
    Yes, SF will be getting 4 types of uniforms/equipment too. Legioner, Centurion, Sherp, Gladiator. Ratnik will only be used by SF attached to army.



    They look heavy as fuck, but knowing that those guys operate as bullet and grenade magnets, their operations are usually end quick so it's understandable. Maska helmets were heavy too.

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:17 am

    Regular wrote:
    Asf wrote:
    IMO russia should stop with the spetznaz fetishism and modernize their equipment after the regular mechanized troops do. There should be less focus on producing superspecialised weapons and immediately focus on weapons used for mass conventional warfare(shmel-M, Ak-12, ORSIS T-5000 instead of VKS or AS val), while any new assault rifle or ratnik suit should be given to regulars.
    VKS and Val are used by regular recon units of regular mechanized troops, for example.
    Ratnik is designed for regular combat troops.
    Yes, SF will be getting 4 types of uniforms/equipment too. Legioner, Centurion, Sherp, Gladiator. Ratnik will only be used by SF attached to army.



    They look heavy as fuck, but knowing that those guys operate as bullet and grenade magnets, their operations are usually end quick so it's understandable. Maska helmets were heavy too.

    What evidence are you basing how heavy those uniforms on? Is these claims simply based off of the 'eye test'? Shocked

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    Post  Mike E on Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:25 am

    Note that he clearly said "look". IMHO, they "look" heavy, but that doesn't mean they are. Any info on this would be appreciated.

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  Regular on Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:58 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    What evidence are you basing how heavy those uniforms on? Is these claims simply based off of the 'eye test'? Shocked

    Yes, I said look. They might be using different materials but still I would never compare to Ratnik 2. It's not as clumpy for a reason.

    Evidence? I only have personal experience.
    Plates do weight. Usually it's 18 kg at best. That's why some soldiers like to slack off and take them out in training. Shoulder armor not only adds weight but it hampers movement. Crotch protector is the worst thing You want to have in the field. Add the weight of backpack. Equipment and etc. Add the weight of the shield if operator is using it.
    Neck protection doesn't help you to cheek wield the gun too, thats why sp3mp has second butstock placement.


    By the way all that weight makes You breathing heavy and stops proper bloodflow. No matter how comfortable they are eventually You will start to feel it when breathing. It makes you disbalanced and shooting with armor is different than shooting without it. I might sound dramatic, but those things will keep You in one piece, it will save lives so it's worth it.
    What info do You want to know? Everything was posted by other members before, just go back few pages. There isn't much known about them yet.

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    Post  Viktor on Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:05 am

    Can someone translate


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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:13 pm

    Viktor wrote:Can someone translate


    It should be a fire control system for short range weapons. It has thermal and TV cameras plus sensor fusion functionality (and I think AI capability).

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:07 pm

    Very interesting, but it will cost a fortune and even special forces won't have them in sufficient numbers, i asume.

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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:35 pm

    on mp.net, the guy with the black cat for an avatar posted about a scope that was kinda similar but cheaper too (it was a computerized scope). Looked very impressive. I will try to find it.

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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:42 pm

    Regular wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    What evidence are you basing how heavy those uniforms on? Is these claims simply based off of the 'eye test'? Shocked

    Yes, I said look. They might be using different materials but still I would never compare to Ratnik 2. It's not as clumpy for a reason.

    Evidence? I only have personal experience.
    Plates do weight. Usually it's 18 kg at best. That's why some soldiers like to slack off and take them out in training. Shoulder armor not only adds weight but it hampers movement. Crotch protector is the worst thing You want to have in the field. Add the weight of backpack. Equipment and etc. Add the weight of the shield if operator is using it.
    Neck protection doesn't help you to cheek wield the gun too, thats why sp3mp has second butstock placement.


    By the way all that weight makes You breathing heavy and stops proper bloodflow. No matter how comfortable they are eventually You will start to feel it when breathing. It makes you disbalanced and shooting with armor is different than shooting without it. I might sound dramatic, but those things will keep You in one piece, it will save lives so it's worth it.
    What info do You want to know? Everything was posted by other members before, just go back few pages. There isn't much known about them yet.

    Ratnik is for regular troops. Whatever these equipment they showcased that will be used, will more likely be used by special units and MVD/FSB units. Regular Ratnik uses a much more practical and lighter vest. The soldiers will wear what is similar to what those wore in Crimea when they first appeared. Only difference is the helmet will more than likely have the built on bracket for helmet mounted sights. Outside of that, these particular vests are something else. Ratnik is for all troops.

    As for specialized weapons, it is true there are various types, but that is because there are more than 1 gun maker in Russia. Plenty of them actually. And they are all trying to get their nitch the market. The weapons you mostly see and that one you posted, is something that either special forces will use or once again, police forces in the Caucuses. AEK-971 is the gun of choice I suppose for Ratnik so they will all have a new rifle. I doubt that Dragunov will be replaced as it is a very effective semi auto sniper, and it will simply go through a basic modernization program.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:43 am

    Not being able to speak a word of Russian... just looking at the photos and pictures... I suspect the sight uses a QWIP based chip sensor to detect visible and IR light and to combine the detected wavelengths and use a small computer to process the images so in the IR a human would stand out because they are hotter than the back ground. This makes a distinct target that the computer can highlight as a target. With the use of a laser rangefinder and humidity and wind sensors (also laser based) the computer can calculate in real time the impact point of the bullet. The computer... if connected to the firing system can be used like the gun on the MiG-29... basically the laser range finder and ballistic computer calculates the firing solution and the pilot/rifleman pulls the trigger but the computer only fires the gun when the target is centred in the crosshairs/impact point.

    In other words you point the gun at a person and pull the trigger and the gun will fire when it is most likely to score a hit.

    On the MiG-29 the gun would fire only about 5-7 rounds and the targets were being destroyed.

    The developer had said if he had known the system was going to be that accurate he would have gone with 75 rounds ammo instead of 150 rounds.

    The western equivalent of the above is described here:

    http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sniper-rifles/usa/tracking_point-e.html

    I remember first seeing the idea on a cool UK programme from the 1970s called "The Professionals" but it was only an M16 with a laser dot sight and a scope.


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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  Regular on Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:31 pm

    Garry, but it looks like You can read Cyrillic Smile
    PUO-1 Device for controlling fire in close combat.

    There is not much to translate, technical mumbo jumbo and numbers.

    Small images show Combined channel of both Thermal and TV where targets are identified, marked and tracked.
    Second image shows TV channel. Third one shows Thermal channel.

    Info table
    Manufacturer
    KMZ
    Zoom
    4' optical
    0,5' - 40' digital
    Maximum effective distance
    1200 meteors
    Field of view
    TV channel 10,20'x7,60'
    Thermal channel 23,50'x18'
    Basic modules
    Thermal
    TV
    Weather sensor(Wind, humidity, etc)
    Ballistic computer
    Ballistic calculations of bullet in use.
    Target recognition and range finding distances
    6-800
    30-1500
    Accuracy of range finding
    +-1 meter
    Battery life
    4h observing
    12h energy saving mode.
    Weight
    1490 grams
    Working temperatures
    -40 C to +60 C


    So it's just a sight, not actual fire control device. It shouldn't be super expensive.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:58 am

    The calculations are not that complicated... even a pocket calculator could do the maths quickly enough.
    The electronics in a modern smart phone would be good enough for $100.

    The thermal camera element could use a QWIP based sensor chip, which means it would be like a CCD chip in a modern video camera, but sensitive to visible light and IR frequencies.

    Mass produced such a chip would only cost a few dollars and would be a very cheap way of creating a scope that could be low light, IR, as well as image intensification as well.

    I have read about fifth gen II that detects the effect of light reflection off natural material compared with material that is dyed or painted or coloured in some way.

    Using that technology any soldier wearing camouflage would glow and stand out, which would make targeting even easier...

    Remember Ratnik is not intended for special forces... though they will get something like it... Ratnik is for the average soldier... eventually.


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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  r111 on Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:45 pm

    Loosely translated, it is a "Near-range weapons-control device". At kilo+ in weight, not sure it would belong on an assault rifle, but something like that mounted on a Kord (both sniper rifle and HMG) or even Pecheneg is going to be interesting.

    Dual channel sensor (visual+ IR), ability to process & superimpose both, digital zoom (40+!), may be stabilization. I wouldn't want to approach a defensive position equipped with one of these, day or nite.

    It can also be used as locating device - you know your pos, target's range and bearing and therefore its GPS coords. But a dedicated device with lasing capability is probably a better choice for that.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:03 am

    So a forward observer could use it to pass the coordinates of targets to artillery or air power.

    With battle management systems appearing in armoured vehicles and on aircraft systems like these will be important to collect information for that management system and create a fuller picture of the battlefield.

    Even if the user doesn't fire a shot, the information he collects could be used for an accurate artillery attack.

    Such systems could also easily be mounted in UAVs...


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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  Viktor on Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:08 am

    Check this out Very Happy russia

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08mq8clzHJY

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    Post  par far on Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:11 pm

    Viktor wrote:Check this out Very Happy russia

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08mq8clzHJY



    That is amazing, we can test it out against isis terrorists in Syria.

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    Post  par far on Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:59 pm

    Viktor wrote:Check this out Very Happy russia

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08mq8clzHJY


    What does it mean at 3:00, will it pull the trigger by itself?

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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:33 am

    par far wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Check this out Very Happy russia

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08mq8clzHJY


    What does it mean at 3:00, will it pull the trigger by itself?

    Yes. You just have to line it up and it will decide for itself when to take the shot.

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    Post  par far on Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:37 am

    Quick question Viktor, do you know if this scope is ready for use or this still in development stages?

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:41 am

    As I mentioned in post 80 above with a weapon with an electronic firing mechanism the scope can fire the weapon.

    Very simply unlike in video games when you are holding a real rifle looking down a scope that might have x12 zoom it is hard to hold still and the fact that you will be breathing and the target will be moving means making sure the trigger is pulled and the round is fired at exactly the right time when the crosshair is covering the target is a real skill.

    With the target being able to be selected and with electronic triggering system the sniper should be able to select a target and then pull the trigger. the bluetooth connection between the scope and the trigger will mean the rifle will not fire until the crosshair is on the selected targets head to assure a kill.

    Boy would I love that scope on a VS-121...

    Of course as cool as it would be you don't really want your enemies to get hold of that sort of thing either...


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    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:39 pm

    Russia’s Defense Ministry Preparing to Announce Decision on Adopting “Ratnik” Suit

    Interagency working group on evaluation of “equipment of the future” “Ratnik” on Tuesday, December 23 will summarize the work, the board member of the Military-Industrial Commission (MIC) Oleg Martianov told.

    “It is expected that tomorrow (December 23), the Ministry of Defense will announce its decision on adopting “Ratnik” and its constituent elements,” O.Martyanov said on Monday.

    According to him, “tomorrow we will have a meeting of the interdepartmental working group of the laboratory concerning the equipment.”

    We will summarize the results of work on “Ratnik”. Tomorrow, we expect to hear a full report on this subject of the Ministry of Defense. We hope to hear from the military, what they decided concerning “Ratnik”, O.Martyanov said.

    The lead developer of equipment “Ratnik” is JSC “Central Research Institute of Precision Engineering” (TSNIITOCHMASH, Klimovsk, Moscow region). The composition of equipment “Ratnik” includes systems of lesions, protection, life support, energy, communications and data transmission.

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    Re: Ratnik combat gear

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:40 am

    Ratnik equipment being displayed, at around 6:12 of the video they show off that the gloves (and presumably the uniform itself) contains a significant amount of an excellent flame retardant, displaying excellent properties of protecting a soldier from fire:


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