The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

auslander wrote:Biden is giving a speech in Kiev Rada at this moment. Threats are flying thick and fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fehadY6mwS0

31 July 1914.

It's really hard to understand him because of the interpreter speaking. I wish I had this in a text in English.

Cute. Giving a pep talk to corrupt Oligarch President Poroshenko, and supporters of various Oligarchs...

Is the carrot being offered them large enough to get them to do what the US wants?

Ukrainian miners block border with Poland from-for debts under the salary

http://latestnewsresource.com/en/news/ukrainskie-shahtery-perekrojut-granitsu-s-polshej-iz-za-dolgov-po-zarplate

Three weeks to go

MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Russia has no other proposals, except those already outlined, for the restructuring of Kiev's $3-billion debt, if the Ukrainian government fails to pay it will be considered to have defaulted on its loan, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Tuesday. "Russia has offered a plan for restructuring. [Russian President] Vladimir Putin came to Antalya with this initiative. Unfortunately, our counterparts didn't agree with the initiative. Russia has no other proposals," Peskov told reporters.

Moscow made an offer to restructure Kiev's $3-billion debt based on US, EU or other major global financial institution guarantees, despite the fact that Ukraine has failed to address the Russian authorities directly on the matter.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20151208/1031416213/russia-ukraine-debt.html#ixzz3tkI9qfnH

Power back on, to a limited part of Crimea.

The Kakhovsky-Titan overhead power line supplying electricity to two districts of Ukraine's Kherson region - the Kalanchak and Chaplin districts - was reconnected to the power grid at around 1:15 a.m. local time on Tuesday, the press service of the Kherson region's state administration has reported. "The reconnection took place with the consent of participants in the Crimea electricity and food blockade action," acting head of the Chaplin district administration Vitaliy Spizhov said. "The 220 kV Kakhovka-Tytan line was reconnected to the power grid. The action activists, with whom we are holding dialogue all the time, are staying at the site where the power line pylons were blown up and are guarding the other two damaged power lines," Spyzhov said.

JohninMK wrote:Power back on, to a limited part of Crimea.

The Kakhovsky-Titan overhead power line supplying electricity to two districts of Ukraine's Kherson region - the Kalanchak and Chaplin districts - was reconnected to the power grid at around 1:15 a.m. local time on Tuesday, the press service of the Kherson region's state administration has reported. "The reconnection took place with the consent of participants in the Crimea electricity and food blockade action," acting head of the Chaplin district administration Vitaliy Spizhov said. "The 220 kV Kakhovka-Tytan line was reconnected to the power grid. The action activists, with whom we are holding dialogue all the time, are staying at the site where the power line pylons were blown up and are guarding the other two damaged power lines," Spyzhov said.

Our little valley has had pretty reliable electric for four days now, I'm talking almost 24 hours a day, just maybe a 15 or 20 minute outage a day. Today at 18:20 the entire north side went down for a few minutes and now, 19:15, everything north of Bogdanova is still out as is Church Hill. I have the feeling the generator will run 'till we hit the wrack in about4 hours.

Whatever electric 404 may or may not be providing will not stay on. Mr. Aksyonov, the head of Krimu, stated today in the news that we don't need 404 any more, we will make do with what we have. Another 250 MW will be coming on line by 15 December, a compliment to the 200 MW or so already provided in the first functional line from Krasnodar Krai. Krim is producing 600 MW locally, that includes the gas turbine generators coming on line in various areas of Krim. Depending on who you listen to, Krim needs anywhere from 900 MW to 1100 MW, depending on season, winter being higher usage.

Nasty move by Kiev

MINSK (Sputnik) — Kiev-led forces have captured seven villages in the buffer zone separating conflicting sides in eastern Ukraine, Denis Pushilin, the envoy of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic at the Minsk reconciliation talks said Tuesday.

"We have informed the OSCE envoy in the Contact Group on Ukraine that Ukrainian forces have, in essence, captured seven villages located in the 'gray' or 'buffer' zone," Pushilin told reporters after Contact Group on Ukraine talks in Minsk.

"The status quo has been violated, and such actions, if left neglected, could lead to resumption of full-scale military action," Pushilin stressed.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151208/1031436057/donbass-ukraine-captured-villages.html#ixzz3tkrUtM5z

Morons in Kiev still think that they can win this? Sneaking into villages and similar BS?

I honestly can't take them seriously anymore, they are a definition of "living on borrowed time". Their population also.

Seems Kiev couldn't wait till after OSCE had gone, or they just don't care.

MOSCOW, December 8. /TASS/. The Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) has confirmed the buildup of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the buffer zone near the line of contact in the Donbas region, Deputy Chief Monitor of the OSCE mission Alexander Hug said on Tuesday.

According to Hug, the mission’s representatives visited the village of Pavlopol where they saw an increase in the number of Ukrainian troops, Donetsk News Agency reports.

Spokesman for the Defense Ministry of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) Eduard Basurin earlier said that, as part of the so-called "passive offensive", the Ukrainian military gained control over five inhabited localities in the buffer zone near the line of contact, among them Pavlopol. Until recently, it was considered a no-man’s land.

PapaDragon wrote:
Morons in Kiev still think that they can win this? Sneaking into villages and similar BS?

I honestly can't take them seriously anymore, they are a definition of "living on borrowed time". Their population also.

The Boss is in Kiev, that means the fecal material is about to hit the whirling blades. The orcs don't sneeze without asking permission of their masters, this build up is a portent of things to come. I just hope that in the coming war this time the 'friends' of the orcs are not given safe passage out before cauldrons are formed as they were in Debaltsyevo. I want to see them paraded through the streets as is befitting of them.

auslander wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Morons in Kiev still think that they can win this? Sneaking into villages and similar BS?

I honestly can't take them seriously anymore, they are a definition of "living on borrowed time". Their population also.

The Boss is in Kiev, that means the fecal material is about to hit the whirling blades. The orcs don't sneeze without asking permission of their masters, this build up is a portent of things to come. I just hope that in the coming war this time the 'friends' of the orcs are not given safe passage out before cauldrons are formed as they were in Debaltsyevo. I want to see them paraded through the streets as is befitting of them.  

then a long march to Siberia ..... the same march their Nazi heroes made after the many defeats they suffered during the great patriotic war

PapaDragon wrote:
Morons in Kiev still think that they can win this? Sneaking into villages and similar BS?

I honestly can't take them seriously anymore, they are a definition of "living on borrowed time". Their population also.

Probably most of them are ISIS mercenaries... exported from Syria..
And paid to commit suicide. The end goal is to increase the pressure in Russia.. and force it to
a negotiation with the west.

This time the novo forces could be facing suicide bombers , in trucks.. for example in Syria they
fill APC or trucks with 1 ton of tnt ,with a suicide bomber and detonate it at the gate.  so i hope the PRO Russian Rebels made deep digging and traps to halt any fast advance.  

Anyone that do not see this.. is time to see it.

But United States is already in an undeclared war against Russia.
otherwise Americans will continue playing games.. Shot down a Russian airliner here or there.
a Biological attack over there.. and Beslan School over there.. etc.
Is attacking Russia in Ukraine pushing them to attack Russia.and doing the same in Syria with Turkey. What all this means?  You have already Americans in an undeclared proxy war against Russia.. that will not stop and will only increase until they see negative consequences for its actions..

So Russia must consider seriously taking the fight directly to the Americans.
Something that really hurts.. Because otherwise more fronts will continue to be opened.
Like someone told.. Russia fear to face Americans in a war.. only encourage them to attack Russia more.  You have a civilian airplane with 300 russians shutdown something that was "predicted" by the pentagon.. it was an attack by them.. So Russia seriously needs to consider themselves in a state of undeclared war. And find a way how to Break the nose of the American Elite. and very good punch in their face as a warning.  

The bombing of an F-22 base with dozens of planes or a B-2 ,something that do not cause
too much civilian casualties or none..but that still is painful.

it is the fear that Russia shows to confront Americans "partners" directly ,what will fuel the west to continue its aggression. an attack that do not produce more than a few dozen casualties will not produce a full scale nuclear war.  Russia can say it was retaliation for american support to ISIS and that if the US government do not stop its illegal war against Syria and fueling the conflict in Ukraine and continue sponsoring terrorism that Russia will take the fight to United States and give the order to Shot down any american plane or warship that comes close to Russia or Syria. Declare United States an enemy of Russia..and say that the conflict will only end when Americans stop supporting ISIS and its illegal war against them in Ukraine and Syria.

Russia can give an ultimatum americans that will close Syria airspace and IRAQ too for them..
if continue supporting ISIS and its illegal war against them in Ukraine. detonate a big Nuclear bomb near US coast that everyone can see but no one harmed or killed to send a strong message that Russia lost the patience with them and is ready to declare war if they continue with their hostile attacks on Russia and its allies. The same Nuclear warning to Turkey. or a nuclear attack on saudi Arabia oil fields for its support to ISIS and a warning to anyone else
who continues to do it. So many ways Russia can draw a line and give an ultimatum that they will not ignore ..such things at very least will provoke the more sane nations in Europe to pressure Obama and US government to end their criminal policies in Ukraine and Syria.

kvs wrote:

auslander wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Power back on, to a limited part of Crimea.

The Kakhovsky-Titan overhead power line supplying electricity to two districts of Ukraine's Kherson region - the Kalanchak and Chaplin districts - was reconnected to the power grid at around 1:15 a.m. local time on Tuesday, the press service of the Kherson region's state administration has reported. "The reconnection took place with the consent of participants in the Crimea electricity and food blockade action," acting head of the Chaplin district administration Vitaliy Spizhov said. "The 220 kV Kakhovka-Tytan line was reconnected to the power grid. The action activists, with whom we are holding dialogue all the time, are staying at the site where the power line pylons were blown up and are guarding the other two damaged power lines," Spyzhov said.

Our little valley has had pretty reliable electric for four days now, I'm talking almost 24 hours a day, just maybe a 15 or 20 minute outage a day. Today at 18:20 the entire north side went down for a few minutes and now, 19:15, everything north of Bogdanova is still out as is Church Hill. I have the feeling the generator will run 'till we hit the wrack in about4 hours.

Whatever electric 404 may or may not be providing will not stay on. Mr. Aksyonov, the head of Krimu, stated today in the news that we don't need 404 any more, we will make do with what we have. Another 250 MW will be coming on line by 15 December, a compliment to the 200 MW or so already provided in the first functional line from Krasnodar Krai. Krim is producing 600 MW locally, that includes the gas turbine generators coming on line in various areas of Krim. Depending on who you listen to, Krim needs anywhere from 900 MW to 1100 MW, depending on season, winter being higher usage.

Wasn't there supposed to be a gas-powered generating station brought online already?   I heard talk about this back in 2014.  What happened?
Is it running already but just does not have enough capacity?

I don't know, rumors and plans have been floated since summer of last year. The new transformer and transfer station a little south of Inkerman does have I think 5 huge, I'm talking house sized, gas powered generators installed fall of '14. Construction started on a new power plant not far from the transformer station near Yalta Ring, that was this past summer. It is supposed to be capable of providing power to all of Sevastopol Region and includes projected growth for the next twenty years but it won't be completed until late '16 or early '17.

Our power came back on about 23:00 last night and is still on. A new schedule for the rolling blackouts was on the news last night and it included our little valley. I don't look a gift horse in the mouth. While power was off last evening my bride and I counted houses the lights that we could see from our rear windows. 18 seem to have generators now and this is a small valley that is not wealthy. Up to three months ago on the rare occasions power was out, and that was always for repairs. we had the only house with power.

JohninMK wrote:Seems Kiev couldn't wait till after OSCE had gone, or they just don't care.

MOSCOW, December 8. /TASS/. The Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) has confirmed the buildup of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the buffer zone near the line of contact in the Donbas region, Deputy Chief Monitor of the OSCE mission Alexander Hug said on Tuesday.

According to Hug, the mission’s representatives visited the village of Pavlopol where they saw an increase in the number of Ukrainian troops, Donetsk News Agency reports.

Spokesman for the Defense Ministry of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) Eduard Basurin earlier said that, as part of the so-called "passive offensive", the Ukrainian military gained control over five inhabited localities in the buffer zone near the line of contact, among them Pavlopol. Until recently, it was considered a no-man’s land.

Waging war to gain more attention is the only way for Porkie et al. to keep living.

However waging war means 2nd, 3rd, 4th... Debaltsevo. Personally I believe things cannot get past 2nd.

PapaDragon wrote:
Morons in Kiev still think that they can win this? Sneaking into villages and similar BS?

I honestly can't take them seriously anymore, they are a definition of "living on borrowed time". Their population also.

They are winning in Ukraine.

Failing to reestablish control of Donbass does not mean that they did not achieve certain more important goals, deter more rebellions and distract the population.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Morons in Kiev still think that they can win this? Sneaking into villages and similar BS?

I honestly can't take them seriously anymore, they are a definition of "living on borrowed time". Their population also.

They are winning in Ukraine.

Failing to reestablish control of Donbass does not mean that they did not achieve certain more important goals, deter more rebellions and distract the population.

Yes,yes, utopia awaits

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Morons in Kiev still think that they can win this? Sneaking into villages and similar BS?

I honestly can't take them seriously anymore, they are a definition of "living on borrowed time". Their population also.

They are winning in Ukraine.

Failing to reestablish control of Donbass does not mean that they did not achieve certain more important goals, deter more rebellions and distract the population.

Not so sure about the "distract". As people in Ukraina, except the subhuman ones, can relatively see how important Russia is.

higurashihougi wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Morons in Kiev still think that they can win this? Sneaking into villages and similar BS?

I honestly can't take them seriously anymore, they are a definition of "living on borrowed time". Their population also.

They are winning in Ukraine.

Failing to reestablish control of Donbass does not mean that they did not achieve certain more important goals, deter more rebellions and distract the population.

Not so sure about the "distract". As people in Ukraina, except the subhuman ones, can relatively see how important Russia is.

The Donbass War is used as a reason to accept deteriorating conditions in Ukraine.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:The Donbass War is used as a reason to accept deteriorating conditions in Ukraine.

Hopefully another frozen winter may let them know whether to accept it or not.

higurashihougi wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:The Donbass War is used as a reason to accept deteriorating conditions in Ukraine.

Hopefully another frozen winter may let them know whether to accept it or not.

And then what? These people are neither organized nor armed, and Kiev has the guns and the will to use them.

Russians did not overthrow Yeltsin either when they froze.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:The Donbass War is used as a reason to accept deteriorating conditions in Ukraine.

Hopefully another frozen winter may let them know whether to accept it or not.

And then what? These people are neither organized nor armed, and Kiev has the guns and the will to use them.

Russians did not overthrow Yeltsin either when they froze.

Not our problem whether they freeze or not and what, or what not, they do about it.

No money no honey. No gas either.

flamming_python wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:The Donbass War is used as a reason to accept deteriorating conditions in Ukraine.

Hopefully another frozen winter may let them know whether to accept it or not.

And then what? These people are neither organized nor armed, and Kiev has the guns and the will to use them.

Russians did not overthrow Yeltsin either when they froze.

Not our problem whether they freeze or not and what, or what not, they do about it.

No money no honey. No gas either.

I hope so, but you never know with the Kremlin.
Unlike nations like Turkey, the West and the "Ukrainian brothers" seem to get preferential treatment way too often.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:I hope so, but you never know with the Kremlin.
Unlike nations like Turkey, the West and the "Ukrainian brothers" seem to get preferential treatment way too often.

Seems like not anymore

https://www.rt.com/politics/325217-medvedev-blasts-ukraines-crookedness-over/

‘They won’t pay us back because they are crooks’ - Medvedev on Ukraine debt

It's rare for goverment leaders to publicly use such harsh words against foreign counterparts, and things seems like Moskva is giving Kyiv the last warning.

higurashihougi wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:I hope so, but you never know with the Kremlin.
Unlike nations like Turkey, the West and the "Ukrainian brothers" seem to get preferential treatment way too often.

Seems like not anymore

https://www.rt.com/politics/325217-medvedev-blasts-ukraines-crookedness-over/

‘They won’t pay us back because they are crooks’ - Medvedev on Ukraine debt

It's rare for goverment leaders to publicly use such harsh words against foreign counterparts, and things seems like Moskva is giving Kyiv the last warning.

They'd better be serious this time. Because talk is cheap and we've all witnessed too much gifts for those scoundrels far too many times.

Kadmos45 wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:I hope so, but you never know with the Kremlin.
Unlike nations like Turkey, the West and the "Ukrainian brothers" seem to get preferential treatment way too often.

Seems like not anymore

https://www.rt.com/politics/325217-medvedev-blasts-ukraines-crookedness-over/

‘They won’t pay us back because they are crooks’ - Medvedev on Ukraine debt

It's rare for goverment leaders to publicly use such harsh words against foreign counterparts, and things seems like Moskva is giving Kyiv the last warning.

They'd better be serious this time. Because talk is cheap and we've all witnessed too much gifts for those scoundrels far too many times.

SOOOO MINSK 3 NOW ?? OR T90s in Kiev ??

OR

Ukrops attack, get killed by the hundreds, civilians get shelled and that is the end of it ??