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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  par far on Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:17 pm

    "Are Erdogan's Grey Wolves Terrorists Knocking on Crimea's Door?"

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20151210/1031518376/grey-wolves-threat-to-crimea.html#ixzz3tvZ6mZ7Q

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  auslander on Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:14 pm

    par far wrote:"Are Erdogan's Grey Wolves Terrorists Knocking on Crimea's Door?"

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20151210/1031518376/grey-wolves-threat-to-crimea.html#ixzz3tvZ6mZ7Q

    Doubt they will last long here, no indigenous population to hide in. You can not stop a determined terrorist who is willing to die to kill. Mejilis can scream all they want, they won't dare come to Krim, Tatari will kill them.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:52 pm

    Eighty-five people have been arrested during a special operation aimed at preventing terror attacks in the town of Krasnohorivka in Donetsk region, said a spokesperson for the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU). "The operation was conducted in a door-to-door method, consequently, 85 people have been arrested, presumably involved in activities of … the DPR/LPR [Donetsk/Luhansk People's Republics]," the spokesperson said.

    The operation involved over 600 officers from the SBU, National Police, National Guard and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the spokesperson said. Urgent operational and investigative activities are on going.

    According to the Ukrainian National Statistics Committee, at the beginning of 2015, Krasnohorivka had a population of 15,800 people.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:46 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    Les Misérables

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Mis%C3%A9rables

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  Ispan on Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:58 am

    Any updates from the front?

    It has been too quiet.

    What to make out of Bidden speech to the Rada? US official position seems to be supporting the Minsk agreements and he called for federalization, granting autonomy to the regions.

    Outside powers are trying to freeze the conflict, but no settlement will be arrived simply because the East and West can no longer live together in the same Ukraine and peace is impossible with the current war criminals and gangsters in power. But a regime that can't feed and warm their citizens can't last long.

    Large Transdnistria option seems the most likely outcome at this point. I still think that rather than concede defeat and stand down the army, the junta will continue war.



    EDIT:

    I read a translation of Cassad latest column at slavyangrad.es. Trying to guess at the hidden motives of the Americans is useless because they very well can say something in public and another in private.

    But there seems to be a turning point. The realization that the junta cannot win a war and some concessions have to be done.




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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:04 pm

    Unusual. I thought that there were elements of the Kiev forces that were a bit 'rogue'. Maybe not.

    MOSCOW, December 11. /TASS/. The night in the settlements of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) passed without shellings from Ukrainian forces, local administrations told Donetsk News Agency on Friday. Read also Donbas militia accuse Kiev forces of moving 100 units of military hardware to contact line "The night passed without incidents, no violations [of ceasefire] were registered," Yasinovataya administration head Yury Yanenko said. Administration representatives of Gorlovka and Makeyevka confirmed that "last night was calm." No violations of ceasefire by Ukrainian forces were registered in the south of DPR, in particular, in the Telmanovsky and Novoazovsky districts. "The population of the Novoazovsky district slept calmly last night. No explosions or shellings. Everything’s calm," deputy head of the Novoazovskaya administration Anatoly Yanovsky said.

    More:
    http://tass.ru/en/world/843204

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:53 pm

    Hilarious moment at the Rada today.

    I think Yats got a proposition. The Chechen way.

    https://twitter.com/spacelordrock/status/675249725227028480

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  higurashihougi on Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:37 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Hilarious moment at the Rada today.

    I think Yats got a proposition. The Chechen way.

    https://twitter.com/spacelordrock/status/675249725227028480

    The video clip Very Happy

    https://www.facebook.com/inthenowrt/videos/552671828216524/

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:34 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Eighty-five people have been arrested during a special operation aimed at preventing terror attacks in the town of Krasnohorivka in Donetsk region, said a spokesperson for the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU). "The operation was conducted in a door-to-door method, consequently, 85 people have been arrested, presumably involved in activities of … the DPR/LPR [Donetsk/Luhansk People's Republics]," the spokesperson said.

    The operation involved over 600 officers from the SBU, National Police, National Guard and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the spokesperson said. Urgent operational and investigative activities are on going.

    According to the Ukrainian National Statistics Committee, at the beginning of 2015, Krasnohorivka had a population of 15,800 people.


    What is the source, John?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  Erk on Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:50 pm



    Democracy at work.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:08 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Eighty-five people have been arrested during a special operation aimed at preventing terror attacks in the town of Krasnohorivka in Donetsk region, said a spokesperson for the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU). "The operation was conducted in a door-to-door method, consequently, 85 people have been arrested, presumably involved in activities of … the DPR/LPR [Donetsk/Luhansk People's Republics]," the spokesperson said.

    The operation involved over 600 officers from the SBU, National Police, National Guard and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the spokesperson said. Urgent operational and investigative activities are on going.

    According to the Ukrainian National Statistics Committee, at the beginning of 2015, Krasnohorivka had a population of 15,800 people.


    What is the source, John?
    Sorry, Interfax Kiev

    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/310540.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:04 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Eighty-five people have been arrested during a special operation aimed at preventing terror attacks in the town of Krasnohorivka in Donetsk region, said a spokesperson for the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU). "The operation was conducted in a door-to-door method, consequently, 85 people have been arrested, presumably involved in activities of … the DPR/LPR [Donetsk/Luhansk People's Republics]," the spokesperson said.

    The operation involved over 600 officers from the SBU, National Police, National Guard and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the spokesperson said. Urgent operational and investigative activities are on going.

    According to the Ukrainian National Statistics Committee, at the beginning of 2015, Krasnohorivka had a population of 15,800 people.


    What is the source, John?
    Sorry, Interfax Kiev

    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/310540.html

    Thank you!

    Here is a video

    What is "NHF Krasnogorovka" group??
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    December 9 village Krasnogorovka Donetsk region center of special operations combat kontrdiversionnoy underwent surgery to forestall a terrorist attack. For a breakdown of the Minsk agreement of members of the NFP (illegal armed formations) planned terrorist attack in the field of maximum crowds - during the delivery of humanitarian aid and the number 5 in the school of the village Krasnogorovka.

    Under the leadership of CSO kontrdiversionnoy combat troops combined unit APU, the National Guard of Ukraine, border guards and Interior Ministry special forces - we had a full lock and check Krasnogorovka population. More than 600 Special Forces soldiers and 60 pieces of equipment at the same time agreed to come to a designated area, turned and completely shut down the possible attempts of escape of members of the NHF Krasnogorovka. Verification was conducted "door to door" - to check each address. The inspection had been detained 84 people for testing.



    interesting comments via google translate

    Futurussia 17 hours ago Wonderful anecdote, read the comments on different resources, people really laugh. About the "arrest", "saboteurs" in the diner with grenades and pistols, which threw 600 operatives all have otsmeyavshis. Now here it is found out that the victim is not Russian, and Ukrainian, and the head of the Spiritual Administration of the Buddhists of Ukraine, and not only Ukrainian, but a member of the right sector, but people without hesitation, and that he may still turn into a favorite side, began to say that: "He It was the 100th FSB-Schnick "even" friends "with the" Censor "under the table. Read comments. SBU, you are still well done, you are now the main thing about this news with serious persons reported. smile emoticon wrote:

    Futurussia 17 hours ago (edited) + Kvill UA Dear, what terrorist acts? smile emoticon You live in a reality? You blow up power lines Tatars themselves recognized this, moreover, even proud of it, and the Interior Ministry and SBU made a sensational statement that it intrigues of Russian GRU-Schnick. You have the separatists themselves second year rake. And then they killed a saboteur, who is actually Ukrainian, and a former member of the right sector, but the evidence quoted SBU: He was the 100th FSB-Schnick. Young man, look in Wikipedia than the FSB all involved. Even the name of the Federal Security Service, you understand the meaning of Federal? This is in addition to the story about a nuclear attack on the airport, which is only about Geleta seen or nonexistent Orenburg division. Write better SBU, that they have half the world laughs. Of course, I understand that you are an ardent patriot, but you, nobody to believe in nonsense does not make, can also be a patriot with a & quot; head & quot;?! wrote:

    Still spouting "Suitcase, train station, Raissi!"

    Gennady Nadtochy 8 hours ago That's right do. Suitcase, train station - Raissi! You do not want to live in Ukraine, Valya fuck to the forefathers in the prison of nations, there is a great pilot to determine in what part of the vast populate these traitors. wrote:

    Evgeniy budowski 2 hours ago + Kvill UA terrorist attacks in Odessa SBU and organize itself. For example, in late September. SBU when the building blew up a little. I even know what it was engaged in management. wrote:

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:24 pm


    Very flashy headline, but a very informative article about Russia's strategy and overall approach to handling situation in Ukraine:

    Russia Just Suddenly Reemerged as a World Power While the West Wasn't Looking

    http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-invisible-war/ri11783


    Some important bits:

    ...........................................

    Russian diplomacy in Ukraine

    To save space, I will give just one very clear example, most relevant in the current political situation.

    People still blame Russia for not counteracting the US in Ukraine actively enough, for failing to create a pro-Russian “fifth column” to counterbalance the pro-American one, for working with elites, rather than with the people, etc. Let us evaluate the situation based on real capabilities, rather than wishful thinking.

    Despite all references to the people, it is the elite that determines the state policy. The Ukrainian elite, in all its actions, has always been and still is anti-Russian. The difference is that the ideologically nationalistic (gradually becoming Nazi) elite was openly russophobic, whereas the economic (comprador, oligarchic) elite was simply pro-Western, but did not object to lucrative links with Russia.

    I would like to remind you that not somebody else but representatives of supposedly pro-Russian Party of Regions bragged that they did not allow Russian business to Donbass. They also were the once who tried to convince the world that they are better for Euro-integration than nationalists.

    The regime of Yanukovich-Azarov precipitated economic confrontation with Russia in 2013, demanding that despite signing the treaty of association with the EU Russia retained and even enhanced favorable regime with Ukraine. After all, Yanukovich and his fellows in the Party of Regions, while they had absolute power (2010-2013), supported Nazis financially, informationally, and politically. They led them from marginal niche to mainstream politics in order to have a convenient opponent in the presidential elections in 2015, while suppressing any pro-Russian informational activity (not to mention a political one).

    The Ukrainian communist party, while retaining pro-Russia rhetoric, never had a shot at power, and played a role of convenient loyal opposition indirectly supporting oligarchs, channeling protest activity into venues safe for any (including current) powers.

    Under these conditions, any Russian attempt to work with NGOs or to create pro-Russian media would be perceived as an encroachment on the rights of Ukrainian oligarchs to rob the country singlehandedly, which would cause a further drift of the Ukrainian officialdom towards the West viewed by Kiev as a counter-balance to Russia. The US would, quite naturally, see it as transition of Russia to direct confrontation, and would have redoubled its efforts to destabilize Russia and support pro-Western elites all over the post-Soviet space.

    Neither in 2000, nor in 2004 Russia was ready to openly confront the US. Even when (not by Moscow’s choice) this happened 2013, Russia needed almost two years to mobilize its resources in order to give a strong response in Syria. The Syrian elite, in contrast to the Ukrainian one, from the very beginning (in 2011-2012) rejected the option of compromising with the West.

    That is why during 12 years (from “Ukraine without Kuchma” action, which was the first unsuccessful attempt of pro-American coup in Ukraine) the Russian diplomacy worked on two key tasks.

    First, it was keeping the situation in Ukraine in unstable equilibrium; second, convincing the Ukrainian elite that the West was a danger to their wellbeing, whereas reorientation towards Russia was the only way to stabilize the situation and save the country as well as the position of the elite itself.


    The first task was successfully achieved. The US has managed to switch Ukraine from the multi-directional mode into the mode of anti-Russian battering ram only by 2013, having spent enormous amount of time and resources and having acquired a regime with huge internal contradictions incapable of existing independently (without growing American support). Instead of using Ukrainian resources for their benefit, the US is forced to spend their own resources to prolong the agony of the Ukrainian statehood destroyed by the coup.

    The second task has not been accomplished due to objective (independent of Russian efforts) reasons. The Ukrainian elite turned out to be totally inadequate, incapable of strategic thinking, of evaluating real risks and advantages, but living and acting under the influence of two myths.

    First – the West will easily win in any confrontation with Russia and share the spoils with Ukraine. Second – no effort, except the unwavering anti-Russian position, is necessary for comfortable existence (at the expense of Western financing). In the situation of choice between orientation on Russia and survival, or siding with the West and dying, the Ukrainian elite chose death.

    However, even out of negative choice of the Ukrainian elite the Russian diplomacy managed to get maximum advantage. Russia did not let itself be sucked into a confrontation with Ukrainian regime, instead forcing Kiev and the West into the grueling negotiation process on the background of a low-key civil war and excluding the USA from the Minsk format. By focusing on contradictions between Washington and the EU, Russia managed to burden the West with Ukraine financially.

    As a result, initially consolidated position of Washington and Brussels disintegrated. Counting on a politico-diplomatic blitzkrieg, the European politicians were not prepared for a prolonged confrontation. The EU economy simply could not support it. In its turn, The US was not ready to accept Kiev exclusively on its own payroll.

    Today, after a year and a half of efforts, the “old Europe”, which determines the position of the EU, such as Germany and France, has abandoned Ukraine completely and is looking for a way to extend a hand to Russia over the heads of the pro-American Eastern European limitrofes (Poland and Baltics). Even Warsaw, which used to be the main “advocate” of Kiev in the EU, openly (although semi-officially) hints at the possibility of dividing Ukraine, having lost the faith in the ability of the Kiev authorities to keep the country together.

    In the Ukrainian political and expert community hysterics about “the treason of Europe” is growing. Former governor of the Donetsk region (appointed by the Nazi regime) and oligarch Sergey Taruta states that his country has eight months to exist. Oligarch Dmitry Firtash (who had a reputation of the Ukrainian “king maker”) predicts disintegration as early as in the spring.

    All this, quietly and imperceptibly, without using tanks and strategic aviation, was achieved by the Russian diplomacy.
    Achieved in a tough confrontation with the block of most powerful, militarily and economically, countries, while starting from a much weaker position and with the most peculiar allies, not all of which were or are happy about growing Russian power.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:50 pm

    Erk wrote:

    Democracy at work.

    Slava Pukraine!!!

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #22

    Post  arpakola on Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:58 pm

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