The Situation in the Ukraine. #20

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

American Eagle wrote:Brave Ukrainian artillery fires at Russian invaders killing hundreds of them

I honestly don't know why Dforce gets more hate than this guy. Can the mods ban him, he really isn't doing any good here.

Because this one isn't subtle. It's like a very pastiche variant of Drax. With even more foaming at the mouth and he's 'Murrican.

KoTeMoRe wrote:Yeah but there we differ. I don't want no blatant propaganda. I would like a real effort about what, who, where, when. Having some kind of feel good couple of videos with maps is basically compiling one sides bravado. This conflicts deserves a lot better, because actual raw data exists (at least for one side). From a purely historical POV it would be best.

Now for vulgarization purposes, I agree those steps are a must. But given your goals are rather limited, I'd follow aulander's advice. I insist, there's good money to be made with a thorough video series of the current operations in Donbass. I'm sure Frunze people are busy right now doeing that for their own doctrine courses. Now we just need a guy from here to sacrifice himself for the greater good of RD.net and enlist the Russian Army in order to become an Officer ;-).

Reality has a Russian bias. When it comes to USSR/Russia, making accurate and historically correct works is called propaganda in West. There is an entire parallel reality where "authors" in West reside, a reality where there is no archive records, primary sources of information or statistics available, so it is OK to write, publish whatever one wants to. /rant off.

I didn't have a feelgood/onesided advertisement video in mind, rather an informative and compact video that tries to show as much info as possible (approximate manpower and equipment, losses etc. for each phase, sector) while being clear and easy to understand (hence the animated map of combat events in sequence).

Let's be honest here, in case of Ukraine, 100% truth would be called out as "Russian propaganda" in the West, since it would have nothing in common with the narrative being presented in media.

Awfully quite tonight. Calm before the storm?

KoTeMoRe wrote:Because this one isn't subtle. It's like a very pastiche variant of Drax. With even more foaming at the mouth and he's 'Murrican.

If I didn't know better, I would have thought that American Eagle is a parody account, a comic relief. Reminds me of UkrOp media.

In my opinion, having disagreeing opinions is a good thing, a factual discussion can never be a bad thing. On the other hand, the obnoxius repetitive nonsense posters should have been banned a long time ago.

Khepesh, really appreciate that link, thank you.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

American Eagle wrote:Brave Ukrainian artillery fires at Russian invaders killing hundreds of them

I honestly don't know why Dforce gets more hate than this guy. Can the mods ban him, he really isn't doing any good here.

That's why there is that nifty little 'ignore' button in yer profile. Dforce made it to the list in very short order, the Bobbsie Twins took a bit longer but he's there, too. This 'ex' marine is real close. I don't mind, and actually welcome, erudite discourse on the events extant from all points of the compass, but to just troll endlessly, well, Sophia has looked at the four and they all came up wanting.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

American Eagle wrote:Brave Ukrainian artillery fires at Russian invaders killing hundreds of them
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I honestly don't know why Dforce gets more hate than this guy. Can the mods ban him, he really isn't doing any good here.

Because this one isn't subtle. It's like a very pastiche variant of Drax. With even more foaming at the mouth and he's 'Murrican.

There is no way this clown is 'Murrican. I am sure he wants to be 'Murrican but wanting and being are two very different things.

I am pretty sure this little specimen is located several hundreds of miles north/northeast from where I'm sitting.

Just put him on ''ignore'' and you're golden, I keep him active for entertainment myself.

SturmGuard wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Yeah but there we differ. I don't want no blatant propaganda. I would like a real effort about what, who, where, when. Having some kind of feel good couple of videos with maps is basically compiling one sides bravado. This conflicts deserves a lot better, because actual raw data exists (at least for one side). From a purely historical POV it would be best.

Now for vulgarization purposes, I agree those steps are a must. But given your goals are rather limited, I'd follow aulander's advice. I insist, there's good money to be made with a thorough video series of the current operations in Donbass. I'm sure Frunze people are busy right now doeing that for their own doctrine courses. Now we just need a guy from here to sacrifice himself for the greater good of RD.net and enlist the Russian Army in order to become an Officer ;-).

Reality has a Russian bias. When it comes to USSR/Russia, making accurate and historically correct works is called propaganda in West. There is an entire parallel reality where "authors" in West reside, a reality where there is no archive records, primary sources of information or statistics available, so it is OK to write, publish whatever one wants to. /rant off.

I didn't have a feelgood/onesided advertisement video in mind, rather an informative and compact video that tries to show as much info as possible (approximate manpower and equipment, losses etc. for each phase, sector) while being clear and easy to understand (hence the animated map of combat events in sequence).

Let's be honest here, in case of Ukraine, 100% truth would be called out as "Russian propaganda" in the West, since it would have nothing in common with the narrative being presented in media.

While there's a victor's bias in historiography, I want to know for instance what Northern Wind was about. Who, how many troops, when did the real Northern Wind Started, when it ceased and broke contact letting huge gaps in Ukrop lines. What routes did it typically take for it to be concealed from the red eye in the sky. Were these people mixed up or where there pushed into action as articulate units. Other things bother me as well, what was the impact of the T90A. How were they employed. We've seen a company at the border and (despite negation) within Ukraine. Why the risk?

There's also the planning at Debaltseve why they used such a small pincer going for a small kettle rather than taking the whole Svitlodarsk area, which was undeniably unfortified (given that current trenches there look like they're made by 12 yo). Both actions were so different, but ended up with the same kind of result and importance. Was Debaltseve more of an baptism by fire of the freshly formed NAF groups (like most accounts say) or was it a case of underestimating the enemy. This second option IMO has to be bitter for some NAF fighters that trapped a sizeable portion of hardware and troops and were ready for the kill.

While we have nice videos about isolated events, the bulk of the fighting visual evidence including movements are there somewhere between VK and the Russian Mod.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

SturmGuard wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Yeah but there we differ. I don't want no blatant propaganda. I would like a real effort about what, who, where, when. Having some kind of feel good couple of videos with maps is basically compiling one sides bravado. This conflicts deserves a lot better, because actual raw data exists (at least for one side). From a purely historical POV it would be best.

Now for vulgarization purposes, I agree those steps are a must. But given your goals are rather limited, I'd follow aulander's advice. I insist, there's good money to be made with a thorough video series of the current operations in Donbass. I'm sure Frunze people are busy right now doeing that for their own doctrine courses. Now we just need a guy from here to sacrifice himself for the greater good of RD.net and enlist the Russian Army in order to become an Officer ;-).

Reality has a Russian bias. When it comes to USSR/Russia, making accurate and historically correct works is called propaganda in West. There is an entire parallel reality where "authors" in West reside, a reality where there is no archive records, primary sources of information or statistics available, so it is OK to write, publish whatever one wants to. /rant off.

I didn't have a feelgood/onesided advertisement video in mind, rather an informative and compact video that tries to show as much info as possible (approximate manpower and equipment, losses etc. for each phase, sector) while being clear and easy to understand (hence the animated map of combat events in sequence).

Let's be honest here, in case of Ukraine, 100% truth would be called out as "Russian propaganda" in the West, since it would have nothing in common with the narrative being presented in media.

While there's a victor's bias in historiography, I want to know for instance what Northern Wind was about. Who, how many troops, when did the real Northern Wind Started, when it ceased and broke contact letting huge gaps in Ukrop lines. What routes did it typically take for it to be concealed from the red eye in the sky. Were these people mixed up or where there pushed into action as articulate units. Other things bother me as well, what was the impact of the T90A. How were they employed. We've seen a company at the border and (despite negation) within Ukraine. Why the risk?

There's also the planning at Debaltseve why they used such a small pincer going for a small kettle rather than taking the whole Svitlodarsk area, which was undeniably unfortified (given that current trenches there look like they're made by 12 yo). Both actions were so different, but ended up with the same kind of result and importance. Was Debaltseve more of an baptism by fire of the freshly formed NAF groups (like most accounts say) or was it a case of underestimating the enemy. This second option IMO has to be bitter for some NAF fighters that trapped a sizeable portion of hardware and troops and were ready for the kill.

While we have nice videos about isolated events, the bulk of the fighting visual evidence including movements are there somewhere between VK and the Russian Mod.

What makes you think that there were any T-90's?

American Eagle wrote:A captured Russian terrorist in Ukraine. Putin has to send old people to fight because losses are so huge

last year pictures are last year...

American Eagle troll. Ban.

Werewolf wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

SturmGuard wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Yeah but there we differ. I don't want no blatant propaganda. I would like a real effort about what, who, where, when. Having some kind of feel good couple of videos with maps is basically compiling one sides bravado. This conflicts deserves a lot better, because actual raw data exists (at least for one side). From a purely historical POV it would be best.

Now for vulgarization purposes, I agree those steps are a must. But given your goals are rather limited, I'd follow aulander's advice. I insist, there's good money to be made with a thorough video series of the current operations in Donbass. I'm sure Frunze people are busy right now doeing that for their own doctrine courses. Now we just need a guy from here to sacrifice himself for the greater good of RD.net and enlist the Russian Army in order to become an Officer ;-).

Reality has a Russian bias. When it comes to USSR/Russia, making accurate and historically correct works is called propaganda in West. There is an entire parallel reality where "authors" in West reside, a reality where there is no archive records, primary sources of information or statistics available, so it is OK to write, publish whatever one wants to. /rant off.

I didn't have a feelgood/onesided advertisement video in mind, rather an informative and compact video that tries to show as much info as possible (approximate manpower and equipment, losses etc. for each phase, sector) while being clear and easy to understand (hence the animated map of combat events in sequence).

Let's be honest here, in case of Ukraine, 100% truth would be called out as "Russian propaganda" in the West, since it would have nothing in common with the narrative being presented in media.

While there's a victor's bias in historiography, I want to know for instance what Northern Wind was about. Who, how many troops, when did the real Northern Wind Started, when it ceased and broke contact letting huge gaps in Ukrop lines. What routes did it typically take for it to be concealed from the red eye in the sky. Were these people mixed up or where there pushed into action as articulate units. Other things bother me as well, what was the impact of the T90A. How were they employed. We've seen a company at the border and (despite negation) within Ukraine. Why the risk?

There's also the planning at Debaltseve why they used such a small pincer going for a small kettle rather than taking the whole Svitlodarsk area, which was undeniably unfortified (given that current trenches there look like they're made by 12 yo). Both actions were so different, but ended up with the same kind of result and importance. Was Debaltseve more of an baptism by fire of the freshly formed NAF groups (like most accounts say) or was it a case of underestimating the enemy. This second option IMO has to be bitter for some NAF fighters that trapped a sizeable portion of hardware and troops and were ready for the kill.

While we have nice videos about isolated events, the bulk of the fighting visual evidence including movements are there somewhere between VK and the Russian Mod.

What makes you think that there were any T-90's?

That August photo-op whas clearly around Novoannovka. There are pictures the two t64BM's that got lit up about 800m from the now infamous BTR assault. It goes right along the M40 and there's no way that battlefield area can be anywhere else.

However you're entitled to your opinion.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

SturmGuard wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Yeah but there we differ. I don't want no blatant propaganda. I would like a real effort about what, who, where, when. Having some kind of feel good couple of videos with maps is basically compiling one sides bravado. This conflicts deserves a lot better, because actual raw data exists (at least for one side). From a purely historical POV it would be best.

Now for vulgarization purposes, I agree those steps are a must. But given your goals are rather limited, I'd follow aulander's advice. I insist, there's good money to be made with a thorough video series of the current operations in Donbass. I'm sure Frunze people are busy right now doeing that for their own doctrine courses. Now we just need a guy from here to sacrifice himself for the greater good of RD.net and enlist the Russian Army in order to become an Officer ;-).

Reality has a Russian bias. When it comes to USSR/Russia, making accurate and historically correct works is called propaganda in West. There is an entire parallel reality where "authors" in West reside, a reality where there is no archive records, primary sources of information or statistics available, so it is OK to write, publish whatever one wants to. /rant off.

I didn't have a feelgood/onesided advertisement video in mind, rather an informative and compact video that tries to show as much info as possible (approximate manpower and equipment, losses etc. for each phase, sector) while being clear and easy to understand (hence the animated map of combat events in sequence).

Let's be honest here, in case of Ukraine, 100% truth would be called out as "Russian propaganda" in the West, since it would have nothing in common with the narrative being presented in media.

While there's a victor's bias in historiography, I want to know for instance what Northern Wind was about. Who, how many troops, when did the real Northern Wind Started, when it ceased and broke contact letting huge gaps in Ukrop lines. What routes did it typically take for it to be concealed from the red eye in the sky. Were these people mixed up or where there pushed into action as articulate units. Other things bother me as well, what was the impact of the T90A. How were they employed. We've seen a company at the border and (despite negation) within Ukraine. Why the risk?

There's also the planning at Debaltseve why they used such a small pincer going for a small kettle rather than taking the whole Svitlodarsk area, which was undeniably unfortified (given that current trenches there look like they're made by 12 yo). Both actions were so different, but ended up with the same kind of result and importance. Was Debaltseve more of an baptism by fire of the freshly formed NAF groups (like most accounts say) or was it a case of underestimating the enemy. This second option IMO has to be bitter for some NAF fighters that trapped a sizeable portion of hardware and troops and were ready for the kill.

While we have nice videos about isolated events, the bulk of the fighting visual evidence including movements are there somewhere between VK and the Russian Mod.

What makes you think that there were any T-90's?

That August photo-op whas clearly around Novoannovka. There are pictures the two t64BM's that got lit up about 800m from the now infamous BTR assault. It goes right along the M40 and there's no way that battlefield area can be anywhere else.

However you're entitled to your opinion.

I think that does not really answer my question, care to elaborate?

American Eagle wrote:http://proua.com.ua/?p=28308

Last week over 140 Russian terrorists were killed in a single failed offensive. Brave Ukrainians fiercely resist foreign invasion of their beloved fatherland.

LOL.. so any Ukrainian killed in Donetsk.. is now a Russian Army soldier .. lol

Those people are fighting for their freedom ,from Fascism.. in case you didn't knew.

IF Russians are so weak.. why the US army needs an alliance of 28 countries to fight RUssia?   IF that how insecure Americans feels to fight just one nation?  

Or Why Obama does not send his Airforce and Abram tanks to invade Donetsk and Lugansk ,so
you see how your lovely country army wiped in the battle field?? American Terrorist states do not fight Strong Nations that can fight back..this is a Fact..  why you are now in Honey moon with IRAN.. Because your country knows its stand not a chance to win in such a war ..LOL

And you are late.. since 2014 i have been posting reports of of American terrorist soldiers killed from private contractors from Blackwater like private security military contractors... in the conflict.. with hundreds of US weapons captured ,and military equipment ,including reports according to Donetsk minister of  American Well armed soldiers killed.  Come and fight Russia internet warrior and see how the Russia army will kick you in the Ass..  Ukraine not only receive weapons but also  Thousands of private military soldiers too from US And NATO countries..and they have been unable to take DOnetsk and Lugansk.. US sponsored and assisted forces kicked from their main stronghold Devalsevo in just 2-3 days.. How embarrassing for the west..

I tell you this in a fight of US army and RUssian army.. you will not last a week.. as soon it start to suffer unacceptable losses . Even China defeated US and NATO in North Korea war ,using seminaked soldiers . This is the reality of what happens when Americans believe in their own propaganda that they are unbeatable in a fight. A report done by a journalist /veteran of the war.

http://bevinalexander.com/books/korea-first-war-we-lost.htm

and you really think you stand a chance against Russia..with a modern army and technology superior than yours.. LOL

The guy isn't fooling anyone, he made no attempt to change his posting style. American Eagle = F-15E.

auslander wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

American Eagle wrote:Brave Ukrainian artillery fires at Russian invaders killing hundreds of them

I honestly don't know why Dforce gets more hate than this guy. Can the mods ban him, he really isn't doing any good here.

That's why there is that nifty little 'ignore' button in yer profile. Dforce made it to the list in very short order, the Bobbsie Twins took a bit longer but he's there, too. This 'ex' marine is real close. I don't mind, and actually welcome, erudite discourse on the events extant from all points of the compass, but to just troll endlessly, well, Sophia has looked at the four and they all came up wanting.

There's no need to putting a previously banned guy on the ignore list, you just ban him again...it's the same F-15E character who was banned shortly before the net migration of former members of the Military Photos website. It's a matter of time before he posts photos of dead citizens of the Donetsk People's Republic like he did before, a direct violation of the rules.

Werewolf wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

SturmGuard wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Yeah but there we differ. I don't want no blatant propaganda. I would like a real effort about what, who, where, when. Having some kind of feel good couple of videos with maps is basically compiling one sides bravado. This conflicts deserves a lot better, because actual raw data exists (at least for one side). From a purely historical POV it would be best.

Now for vulgarization purposes, I agree those steps are a must. But given your goals are rather limited, I'd follow aulander's advice. I insist, there's good money to be made with a thorough video series of the current operations in Donbass. I'm sure Frunze people are busy right now doeing that for their own doctrine courses. Now we just need a guy from here to sacrifice himself for the greater good of RD.net and enlist the Russian Army in order to become an Officer ;-).

Reality has a Russian bias. When it comes to USSR/Russia, making accurate and historically correct works is called propaganda in West. There is an entire parallel reality where "authors" in West reside, a reality where there is no archive records, primary sources of information or statistics available, so it is OK to write, publish whatever one wants to. /rant off.

I didn't have a feelgood/onesided advertisement video in mind, rather an informative and compact video that tries to show as much info as possible (approximate manpower and equipment, losses etc. for each phase, sector) while being clear and easy to understand (hence the animated map of combat events in sequence).

Let's be honest here, in case of Ukraine, 100% truth would be called out as "Russian propaganda" in the West, since it would have nothing in common with the narrative being presented in media.

While there's a victor's bias in historiography, I want to know for instance what Northern Wind was about. Who, how many troops, when did the real Northern Wind Started, when it ceased and broke contact letting huge gaps in Ukrop lines. What routes did it typically take for it to be concealed from the red eye in the sky. Were these people mixed up or where there pushed into action as articulate units. Other things bother me as well, what was the impact of the T90A. How were they employed. We've seen a company at the border and (despite negation) within Ukraine. Why the risk?

There's also the planning at Debaltseve why they used such a small pincer going for a small kettle rather than taking the whole Svitlodarsk area, which was undeniably unfortified (given that current trenches there look like they're made by 12 yo). Both actions were so different, but ended up with the same kind of result and importance. Was Debaltseve more of an baptism by fire of the freshly formed NAF groups (like most accounts say) or was it a case of underestimating the enemy. This second option IMO has to be bitter for some NAF fighters that trapped a sizeable portion of hardware and troops and were ready for the kill.

While we have nice videos about isolated events, the bulk of the fighting visual evidence including movements are there somewhere between VK and the Russian Mod.

What makes you think that there were any T-90's?

That August photo-op whas clearly around Novoannovka. There are pictures the two t64BM's that got lit up about 800m from the now infamous BTR assault. It goes right along the M40 and there's no way that battlefield area can be anywhere else.

However you're entitled to your opinion.

I think that does not really answer my question, care to elaborate?

... Lol Markasov takes pictures of Novoannovka AND his T90A driving down the M40. Then he proceeds to take pictures of (probably) past victims. Very specific pictures that "betray" his location. That's it. The said corner can be seen at LA.info and cross checked with Markasov's pictures (now drowned into a sea of patriotic memes, that he couldn't have posted since the last week). Anyway, as I said, those who want to see aren't bothered by the cross checking. Those who don't, don't see anything. I don't care for any of this.

You really couldn't be more vague with your post that makes it rather hard to find anything on lost armors info with what you just mumbled.

American Eagle wrote:A captured Russian terrorist in Ukraine. Putin has to send old people to fight because losses are so huge

Haha you fucking clown. That picture only proves the locals of Donbass, some of them old miners, are fighting against a regime that they don't want.

Don't worry, in the near future we'll be watching scenes like picrelated as Race Riots break out in the USA. I'm sure you heard of the expression "what goes around comes around". The USA steering chaos all over the world will eventually lead to its own destabilization. Watch how many countries will unite against you and those that you considered your own allies.

Neutrality wrote:

American Eagle wrote:A captured Russian terrorist in Ukraine. Putin has to send old people to fight because losses are so huge

Haha you fucking clown. That picture only proves the locals of Donbass, some of them old miners, are fighting against a regime that they don't want.

Don't worry, in the near future we'll be watching scenes like picrelated as Race Riots break out in the USA. I'm sure you heard of the expression "what goes around comes around". The USA steering chaos all over the world will eventually lead to its own destabilization. Watch how many countries will unite against you and those that you considered your own allies.

There are many clowns like him.. Captain America Trolls..
Who believe everything their media told them.. that their nation is fighting for "freedom"
and "democracy".  They are going to wake up one day ,in the hard way.. knowing they were
lied and their nation is not unbeatable as they believed.

Personally i will have loved to see the US armed forces trying to recapture Donetsk and Lugansk.. that will have been epic failure.. with Russia moderate help to eastern Ukraine.
Fortunately for American Eagle ,his leaders are not as fool as he is.. and they know well their
limitations of their military against Russia. So they will never directly fight Russia ,knowing
it will be too much for them.

Werewolf wrote:You really couldn't be more vague with your post that makes it rather hard to find anything on lost armors info with what you just mumbled.

-72Б3 на территории Украины уже многократно светились, теперь пришла очередь и Т-90А.
Правда засветились фотки только через год. Фото как указывает источник между Придорожным и Новоанновкой Луганской области, август 2014-го.
Ну что сказать, участие ВС РФ в событиях на территории Донецкой и Луганской областей пытаются отрицать только уж совсем больные на голову. Да и нет здесь ничего удивительного в испытаниях новейшей техники в реальных боевых условиях.
По поводу самих фото, Обозначения на танке затерты все той же любимой многими едкозеленой краской.

http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/378534.html

Scroll down.

Now compare with this.





That's a BTR82 friend. ID 534 on Lost Armour. Guess what? It's the same. So My opinion is this. These guys were in Donetsk (RU) and crossed from M21 to M04 towards Luhansk to clear the road.

YOu can compare the devastation including the same T64 BM's scooped alond the road. These guys took the Ukrops by surprize. You can see how they were not expecting tanks on their rear.

I hope this was enough for you.

NATO issues warnings;
- Russia is ultimately responsible for whatever happens
- NATO will not accept the NAF liberating any more land after they beat the attacking UAF

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_122159.htm

franco wrote:NATO issues warnings;
- Russia is ultimately responsible for whatever happens
- NATO will not accept the NAF liberating any more land after they beat the attacking UAF

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_122159.htm

What are they going to do? Send in NATO to save the swine Poroshenko's slimy ass...just so they can get a taste of strategic ECM systems like Murmansk-BN and Krasuha-4?!

franco wrote:NATO issues warnings;
- Russia is ultimately responsible for whatever happens
- NATO will not accept the NAF liberating any more land after they beat the attacking UAF

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_122159.htm

A woman of little vertue can't issue warnings while performing oral relief. She'll end up swallowing her own words.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

franco wrote:NATO issues warnings;
- Russia is ultimately responsible for whatever happens
- NATO will not accept the NAF liberating any more land after they beat the attacking UAF

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_122159.htm

What are they going to do? Send in NATO to save the swine Poroshenko's slimy ass...just so they can get a taste of strategic ECM systems like Murmansk-BN and Krasuha-4?!

Oh wow. Now I really want NAF to liberate the rest of Donbass.