The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Dforce wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Let's recall Debaltsevo...

Yes, even I have to admit that was a brilliant Russian move. But it only worked because it was a done deal fast, and it  happened just after the Minsk II deal.

The same conditions are not there now.

Deal done fast? It took Almost two months to react to idiotic probe attacks from Ukropia at Donetsk Intl and break the wedge at Debalstevo. Are you guys following the same war as I or is this senile amnesia?

The conditions now are even better, Ukraine is shelling civilians and international organizations just reported in the simplest terms Ukraine's breach of Minsk agreement.
Idiot Turchynov goes on the Line of Contact parading in front of heavy weaponry that's supposed to be some 30 km out of there.

... Not really ideal conditions for an innocent self-defense scheme...

Cowboy's daughter wrote:but IDK what objectives rebels wish to gain.

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Dforce wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Let's recall Debaltsevo...

Yes, even I have to admit that was a brilliant Russian move. But it only worked because it was a done deal fast, and it  happened just after the Minsk II deal.

The same conditions are not there now.

Deal done fast? It took Almost two months to react to idiotic probe attacks from Ukropia at Donetsk Intl and break the wedge at Debalstevo. Are you guys following the same war as I or is this senile amnesia?

The conditions now are even better, Ukraine is shelling civilians and international organizations just reported in the simplest terms Ukraine's breach of Minsk agreement.
Idiot Turchynov goes on the Line of Contact parading in front of heavy weaponry that's supposed to be some 30 km out of there.

... Not really ideal conditions for an innocent self-defense scheme...

I don't know what's going to happen or when, but I feel like Ukraine has to just make one mistake, or conditions have to be more favorable to rebels, not more favorable than now, but they just have to be in a position where conditions favor them, or whatever objectives the rebels wish to gain...
but IDK what objectives rebels wish to gain.

Neutrality wrote:

Cassad wrote:На ресурсах хунты сообщают с ссылкой на ОБСЕ, что в Донецк переброшены 11 РСЗО "Град" ВСН.

Translation: Junta's sources report (quoting OSCE) that the NAF has positioned 11 "Grad" installations near Donetsk.

Always nice to see the confirmation that OSCE is acting as a de facto spy organization. I think we've never been closer to resuming the war as today.

EDIT: Judging by this map ( http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/kot_ivanov/71733898/42710/42710_original.jpg ) it'd be wise to completely destroy VSU's positions at Svetlodarsk. It's got a cauldron written all over it.

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Dforce wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Let's recall Debaltsevo...

Yes, even I have to admit that was a brilliant Russian move. But it only worked because it was a done deal fast, and it  happened just after the Minsk II deal.

The same conditions are not there now.

Deal done fast? It took Almost two months to react to idiotic probe attacks from Ukropia at Donetsk Intl and break the wedge at Debalstevo. Are you guys following the same war as I or is this senile amnesia?

The conditions now are even better, Ukraine is shelling civilians and international organizations just reported in the simplest terms Ukraine's breach of Minsk agreement.
Idiot Turchynov goes on the Line of Contact parading in front of heavy weaponry that's supposed to be some 30 km out of there.

... Not really ideal conditions for an innocent self-defense scheme...

I don't know what's going to happen or when, but I feel like Ukraine has to just make one mistake, or conditions have to be more favorable to rebels, not more favorable than now, but they just have to be in a position where conditions favor them, or whatever objectives the rebels wish to gain...
but IDK what objectives rebels wish to gain.

Rodinazombie wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Dforce wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Let's recall Debaltsevo...

Yes, even I have to admit that was a brilliant Russian move. But it only worked because it was a done deal fast, and it  happened just after the Minsk II deal.

The same conditions are not there now.

Deal done fast? It took Almost two months to react to idiotic probe attacks from Ukropia at Donetsk Intl and break the wedge at Debalstevo. Are you guys following the same war as I or is this senile amnesia?

The conditions now are even better, Ukraine is shelling civilians and international organizations just reported in the simplest terms Ukraine's breach of Minsk agreement.
Idiot Turchynov goes on the Line of Contact parading in front of heavy weaponry that's supposed to be some 30 km out of there.

... Not really ideal conditions for an innocent self-defense scheme...

I don't know what's going to happen or when, but I feel like Ukraine has to just make one mistake, or conditions have to be more favorable to rebels, not more favorable than now, but they just have to be in a position where conditions favor them, or whatever objectives the rebels wish to gain...
but IDK what objectives rebels wish to gain.

What the rebels wish to gain is irrelevant, whats important is what russia will allow them to gain. The only priority they should have is pushing back ukie arty as far back as possible.

The 'aims' of this war are long out of the rebel hands now, and they arent the end game. End game is in kiev.

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

Neutrality wrote:

Cassad wrote:На ресурсах хунты сообщают с ссылкой на ОБСЕ, что в Донецк переброшены 11 РСЗО "Град" ВСН.

Translation: Junta's sources report (quoting OSCE) that the NAF has positioned 11 "Grad" installations near Donetsk.

Always nice to see the confirmation that OSCE is acting as a de facto spy organization. I think we've never been closer to resuming the war as today.

EDIT: Judging by this map ( http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/kot_ivanov/71733898/42710/42710_original.jpg ) it'd be wise to completely destroy VSU's positions at Svetlodarsk. It's got a cauldron written all over it.

That's a good post. If there was a like button, I'd certainly like it.

Flagship Victory wrote:on liveuamap this is said to be outgoing artillery from Donetsk

KoTeMoRe wrote:The objectives are actually easy, make sure that Ukraine has no means to restart a war in Donbass for a while and gaining in the process enough economic room as to force Ukraine to stop this war and start dealing with NVR. That can't be done with the current NVR territory, which is a nuisance for Ukropia at best.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Dforce wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Let's recall Debaltsevo...

Yes, even I have to admit that was a brilliant Russian move. But it only worked because it was a done deal fast, and it  happened just after the Minsk II deal.

The same conditions are not there now.

Deal done fast? It took Almost two months to react to idiotic probe attacks from Ukropia at Donetsk Intl and break the wedge at Debalstevo. Are you guys following the same war as I or is this senile amnesia?

The conditions now are even better, Ukraine is shelling civilians and international organizations just reported in the simplest terms Ukraine's breach of Minsk agreement.
Idiot Turchynov goes on the Line of Contact parading in front of heavy weaponry that's supposed to be some 30 km out of there.

... Not really ideal conditions for an innocent self-defense scheme...

I don't know what's going to happen or when, but I feel like Ukraine has to just make one mistake, or conditions have to be more favorable to rebels, not more favorable than now, but they just have to be in a position where conditions favor them, or whatever objectives the rebels wish to gain...
but IDK what objectives rebels wish to gain.

The objectives are actually easy, make sure that Ukraine has no means to restart a war in Donbass for a while and gaining in the process enough economic room as to force Ukraine to stop this war and start dealing with NVR. That can't be done with the current NVR territory, which is a nuisance for Ukropia at best.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Do you think that this war will be the first war in human history that never ends?

Sweden and Germany fought a war in 17th century that lasted something like 30 years. Do you see this war outlasting that? Do you see the junta still shelling downtown Donetsk in 2050 while the NAF is still adhering the Minsk agreement in 2050 and the West is still threatening Russia with new sanctions if the NAF advances?

Karl Haushofer wrote:So the West created an eternal war in Russia's backdoor and Russia's sphere of influence which will drain Russian resources for the next 100 years and give the West an excuse to sanction Russia for the next 100 years?

Greatest western success ever?

Well, hopefully the West will be finished by third world immigration in 100 years.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Flagship Victory wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:So the West created an eternal war in Russia's backdoor and Russia's sphere of influence which will drain Russian resources for the next 100 years and give the West an excuse to sanction Russia for the next 100 years?

Greatest western success ever?

Well, hopefully the West will be finished by third world immigration in 100 years.

100 years? Should be longer than that. If Russia is strong, Russia would send peacekeepers and that would end the war within a day. However Ukraine is backed by the US so that is not an option. The concerts shall continue.

But in 100 years the West will be finished by third world immigration (unless Trump is elected in 2016) so Russia can send in the peacekeepers in 2115 when the West has become too weak and irrelevant. It will be worth the wait.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Is it really so? I thought the number of whites is decreasing, not increasing. But it is the fact that the share of non-hispanic whites is increasing fast and it will force the United States to spend more resources on wellfare which also makes them weaker economically and forces them to spend less on military.

And even if this proves to be false there is a chance that Yellowstone erupts or that a giant meteorite hits northern Atlantic.

EDIT: But yes, I agree that the non-Western world is too weak and lackadaisical to take out the West. It has to be either by internal weakening (through immigration) or a major natural disaster.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Russia acted in Crimea and South Ossetia. To be frank the Kremlin doesn't give too much value for Donbass. Therefore Kiev is permitted to destroy Donbass infrastructure and kill its population because Russia is going to the one to rebuild it. Russia cannot send its peacekeepers because if Russia does that then the rebuilding of Donbass would be Russia's responsibility because Russian peacekeepers would be controlling the region.

Russia wants Donbass to stay in Ukraine but in Russia's own terms. The problem is that nobody knows how this will happen or how it is even possible. I doubt even Russia knows it. My opinion is that there are no cunning plans. Russia is maybe just waiting for Kiev to get tired of war and give up. Not gonna happen. Not in 100 years. Not ever.

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Dforce wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Let's recall Debaltsevo...

Yes, even I have to admit that was a brilliant Russian move. But it only worked because it was a done deal fast, and it  happened just after the Minsk II deal.

The same conditions are not there now.

Deal done fast? It took Almost two months to react to idiotic probe attacks from Ukropia at Donetsk Intl and break the wedge at Debalstevo. Are you guys following the same war as I or is this senile amnesia?

The conditions now are even better, Ukraine is shelling civilians and international organizations just reported in the simplest terms Ukraine's breach of Minsk agreement.
Idiot Turchynov goes on the Line of Contact parading in front of heavy weaponry that's supposed to be some 30 km out of there.

... Not really ideal conditions for an innocent self-defense scheme...

I don't know what's going to happen or when, but I feel like Ukraine has to just make one mistake, or conditions have to be more favorable to rebels, not more favorable than now, but they just have to be in a position where conditions favor them, or whatever objectives the rebels wish to gain...
but IDK what objectives rebels wish to gain.

The objectives are actually easy, make sure that Ukraine has no means to restart a war in Donbass for a while and gaining in the process enough economic room as to force Ukraine to stop this war and start dealing with NVR. That can't be done with the current NVR territory, which is a nuisance for Ukropia at best.

Are you saying that you think the rebels need more territory?

No means to re start a war.....no conscripts? no money? no backing by USA, and EU? or NATO? citizens protesting war and conditions of country? Ukraine Armed Forces defeat...?

economic room...Ukraine in the toilet, and rebels doing better...???

Karl Haushofer wrote:"Yes, absorbing Crimea was a good thing for Russia. Russia gained a lot and lost only 100-200 years worth of sanctions. After 100-200 years Crimea will still be Russia and sanctions have hopefully been lifted.