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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  Regular on Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:01 am

    Have to steal this from mp

    http://donnews.ru/V-TSRB-Kuybyshevskogo-rayona-dostavleny-ranenye-na-granitse-ukraintsy_15636


    In Kuibyshev district delivered Ukrainians injured in airstrike on a checkpoint 

    Aviation National Guard invaded Russian airspace 

    Today, June 5, in the Central District Hospital Kuibyshev district of Rostov region medics brought the wounded citizens of Ukraine who were found in the border hamlet Repihovatom. This donnews.ru said the head of the Kuibyshev district Alexander Krivorotov. 
    - Wounded several people. In the morgue, and delivered one corpse. Who are these people, I will now say with certainty will not undertake. I suppose that is wounded officers Ukrainian checkpoint, which today bombed Ukrainian aviation. However, now it does not matter who they are, the main thing - to save people - said Krivorotov. 
    Beyond that, as airstrike occurred, residents watched Kujbyshevo. 
    - We had seen the plane bombed the town. After his shock there is white smoke, then black clouded. And what is important: the plane space invaded Russia, it is for the next approach point unfolded over our fields. Why is no one on our side has not responded, it is unclear - said Alexander Krivorotov. 


    Half an hour after firing head sent to the countryside Repihovaty located between two old checkpoints, ambulances and police. There they found the wounded and Ukrainians. 
    In the state of CDH wounded sparingly commented: "go operation." It is known that one of the men seriously wounded.

    I simply can't believe it

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:10 am

    Regular wrote:Have to steal this from mp

    http://donnews.ru/V-TSRB-Kuybyshevskogo-rayona-dostavleny-ranenye-na-granitse-ukraintsy_15636


    In Kuibyshev district delivered Ukrainians injured in airstrike on a checkpoint 

    Aviation National Guard invaded Russian airspace 

    Today, June 5, in the Central District Hospital Kuibyshev district of Rostov region medics brought the wounded citizens of Ukraine who were found in the border hamlet Repihovatom. This donnews.ru said the head of the Kuibyshev district Alexander Krivorotov. 
    - Wounded several people. In the morgue, and delivered one corpse. Who are these people, I will now say with certainty will not undertake. I suppose that is wounded officers Ukrainian checkpoint, which today bombed Ukrainian aviation. However, now it does not matter who they are, the main thing - to save people - said Krivorotov. 
    Beyond that, as airstrike occurred, residents watched Kujbyshevo. 
    - We had seen the plane bombed the town. After his shock there is white smoke, then black clouded. And what is important: the plane space invaded Russia, it is for the next approach point unfolded over our fields. Why is no one on our side has not responded, it is unclear - said Alexander Krivorotov. 


    Half an hour after firing head sent to the countryside Repihovaty located between two old checkpoints, ambulances and police. There they found the wounded and Ukrainians. 
    In the state of CDH wounded sparingly commented: "go operation." It is known that one of the men seriously wounded.

    I simply can't believe it

    Fireworks show is gonna be a little late this year. Has been delayed a little.

    With that in mind, we might as well fix it up a convenient date - say, 4th July?  pirat 

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:46 am

    So if i understood correctly.. the Ukraine Airforce.. bombed its own National guard at a check point and used part of Russian airspace?

    About invading Russian Airspace ,i don't think Russia should install kill any pilot in ukraine as soon they invade one inch of their territory ..a simple warning of what they are doing should be fine.. So don't be silly to think Russian defenses failed. Russia can declare a no fly zone all the way to kiev without invading.

    Russia is clearly trying to solve things diplomatically with Ukraine.. the best they can.. if that means paying for crimea recognition and the end of the war they will do it..  because invading Ukraine will 40,000 soldiers will be far far more expensive for Russia ,specially if later NATO smuggle mercenaries from abroad to fight Russia and fully arm them..as they do in Syria.  If US do the same with a B-2 and invade Russia airspace.. it will be automatically shutdown.  Is on the interest of Russia to end their conflict with Ukraine and find a political solution.. Achieving peace with Ukraine will destroy Obama plans to pull Russia into a long and very expensive war.

    What i perceive is that the Ukraine Airforce are really Desperate.. really mad.. for their loses in their airforce in planes and helicopters.
    And now doing such mistakes like invading Russian airspace.. however possibly it could be planned ,to force Russia shut down the plane,
    then US use that as an excuse to blackmail the EU to sanction Russia and cut their trade. US is desperate to damage Russia economy. and the EU is resisting to obey Obama demands for real economy sanctions. So all this could be a provocation to secure EU sanctions.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:58 am

    More pathetic red-baiting, Joe McCarthy style fearmongering and witch-hunt against Russia by the pseudo-intellectual Obama in Europe:




    And by his "close partners":


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:45 am

    Slavyansk militia says shot down one more Ukrainian Air Force helicopter

    SLAVYANSK, June 06 /ITAR-TASS/. Representatives of the people’s militia of the city of Slavyansk in eastern Ukraine’s embattled Donetsk Region have shot down a helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force, the Novorossiya news agency quoted the militia command as saying.

    The Mil Mi-8 transport helicopter was damaged by bullet fire and performed an emergency landing on Thursday.

    Slavyansk people’s mayor Vyacheslav Ponomaryov told an Itar-Tass correspondent that at least two helicopters were shot during the battle.

    “It happened to the east of Slavyansk,” he specified, adding that according to preliminary data, three tanks were also damaged.

    Fierce clashes between Ukrainian military and militia near Slavyansk have been ongoing since June 3. Ukraine’s armed forces use attack aviation - fighters and helicopters.

    According to Ponomaryov, during fighting on June 3, militiamen shot down two aircraft, including a Su-25 (NATO reporting name Frogfoot) attack aircraft, a Ukrainian Air Force helicopter, and damaged four armored vehicles. Another helicopter was shot down on June 4 after a regular air strike on the settlement of Semyonovka near Slavyansk.

    Militias were formed in Ukraine’s southeastern Donetsk and Lugansk regions because the territories refused to recognize the legitimacy of central Ukrainian authorities brought to power amid riots during a coup in February.

    The decision by residents of the Southeast to defend their rights was prompted by the Crimean Peninsula’s referendum and subsequent secession from Ukraine and reunification with Russia in mid-March.

    Kiev has been conducting a punitive operation against federalization supporters in Ukraine’s Southeast. The operation, which involves armored vehicles, heavy artillery and attack aviation, has already killed dozens of people, including civilians.

    Russia has repeatedly called on Kiev to stop what Ukraine calls an antiterrorism operation and start dialogue with the Southeast.

    Referendums were held in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions on May 11, in which most voters supported independence from Ukraine.

    Billionaire businessman and politician Pyotr Poroshenko won the May 25 early presidential elections in Ukraine, which were set by the coup-imposed Kiev authorities. He is to be sworn in on June 7. Poroshenko earlier told media he had funded anti-government protests that led to February's coup.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:46 am

    Head of Poroshenko’s district election headquarters found shot in Vinnitsy region

    KIEV, 05/06/14, ITAR-TASS. The head of Ukrainian newly elected President Petr Poroshenko’s district election headquarters has been found dead in Ukraine’s western Vinnitsy region, the Ukrainian interior ministry said on Thursday.

    “A man’s body with a gunshot wound in the head was found inside his own car parked in a street in the town of Nemirov,” the ministry said. The man headed Poroshenko’s election headquarters in a Vinnitsy region district during the recent election campaign.

    The police have opened a criminal case.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  Austin on Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:20 am

    Obama says G7 may slap new sanctions on Russia in a month ( RT )

    New sanctions may be imposed against Russia in a month if Moscow does not change its policies over Ukraine, RIA Novosti quoted US President Barack Obama as saying Thursday. The G7 will assess Russia’s activities during next two to four weeks and if the policy is not changed “certain measures” will be taken, Obama reportedly said at a news conference in Brussels. He also said that “Russia needs to recognize that President-elect [Petro] Poroshenko is the legitimately elected leader of Ukraine and engage the government in Kiev,” AP reported.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  Asf on Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:44 am

    etaepsilonk wrote:
    arpakola wrote:DNR field commanders, Igor Bezler, ordered an execution of two  foreign combatants


    Fake as hell.

    That "Igor Bezler" is a well known provocateur.
    If anyone wonders, it's not the first time he's announcing "the execution of POWs". Had this been for real, he would have been put down weeks ago by rebels themselves.

    It isn't Bezler. Look at the picture

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  arpakola on Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:20 am

    Asf wrote:
    etaepsilonk wrote:
    arpakola wrote:DNR field commanders, Igor Bezler, ordered an execution of two  foreign combatants


    Fake as hell.

    That "Igor Bezler" is a well known provocateur.
    If anyone wonders, it's not the first time he's announcing "the execution of POWs". Had this been for real, he would have been put down weeks ago by rebels themselves.

    It isn't Bezler. Look at the picture

    Agree

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:05 am

    Asf wrote:
    etaepsilonk wrote:
    arpakola wrote:DNR field commanders, Igor Bezler, ordered an execution of two  foreign combatants


    Fake as hell.

    That "Igor Bezler" is a well known provocateur.
    If anyone wonders, it's not the first time he's announcing "the execution of POWs". Had this been for real, he would have been put down weeks ago by rebels themselves.

    It isn't Bezler. Look at the picture

    That man should seek a job in hollywood ,the really likes acting and personify several characters..

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:33 am

    Regular wrote:I'm afraid that rebels will loose popular support from the locals. I think locals will rather surrender to UA troops than live under the shelling.  Neutral What do You think?


    Kiev is more likely to loose support for the ATO operation.

    Video from today in Chernigov (West Ukraine). In front of army barracks - Women against war.:


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  arpakola on Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:09 am



    copied paste..>
    Q: First tell me how you ended up in Simonafka,
    A: We came to Simonafka on the very first day...

    Q: When is that... when the road block was formed?
    A: In the days when there was no road block, in those days we held out the best we could. We thought they would advance but they never did, so we strengthened our positions. They sent us mortars(UA troops).

    Q: This was before the column of soldiers was attacked?
    A: Yes...

    Q: Ok, what about the battle that sarted on the 3rd (of June)... In the morning there was... 6am
    A: Preparations... I will tell you exactly, some time after 5am planes started flying over heard and began bombing, preparing for a weak attack, they though they killed everyone ...then came a tank morning time with the cover of BTR's (from the top), after the tanks came a column of soldiers, conscripts… they were trying to hide behind the road block. We opened fire on them...

    Q: They were young,
    A: Yes they were young boys, 18-19 year olds... We opened fire and they started falling. They could not realize where the fire was coming from, they tried to hide behind a tank but fell one by one. The column fell back and we opened up on the tank with everything we had. The tank stopped for a moment.. and then continued onwards.

    Q: Maybe they radioed with their command?
    A: Yes probably, I don’t know. Then slowly it began to move forward, ofcourse the BTR's...

    Q: What side was the hill on?
    A: Well there was a bridge, they came onto the hill (BTR's) and covered the tanks and the column.

    Q: The tank traveled right along the road?
    A: Yes right along the road,

    Q: On the side of BZR? Simonafka?
    A: Yes, towards the road block. And of course began to destroy the stone blocks.

    Q: And the people inside, you had losses were there injured, killed?
    A: Yes... that’s how it goes.

    A: We shot at it with all the weapons we had, it was useless. It continued onwards, with no rush. It got all the way to the roadblock, and destroyed all of the stone blocks. We got a hit on it with a "shtora" head on, and damaged the turret. The tank stopped for a second and looked around, it was there by itself with no cover from troops so it began to slowly retreat. When it started to move back the su-25 joined in, at first they fired at us, but then they saw the retreating tank and opened fire. They opened fire on the tank and the retreating troops.

    Q: Started firing where the tank was?
    A: Yes... I don’t know who they fired at.. But somewhere in the vicinity of the tank. Slowly they pulled that tank bank, and the BTR also began to burn.. so they pulled back off the hill.

    Q: You also said when the tank pulled back it ran over the injured soldiers?
    A: Yes of course, the injured that fell, no one bothered to collect them. The spot where they fell with their weapons is where they remained when the tank drove over them... and they are still there. It’s a mess (literally). People are afraid to go there, the snipers operate consistently...

    Q: Ok, but we are not preventing them from picking up their dead...
    A: They don’t need them!

    Q: If there was an ambulance to pick them, you wouldn’t fire on them.
    A: Yes they are welcome to pick them up... Two cares drove onto bridge and where fired upon by the troops (UA).

    Q: Regular cars?
    A: Yes these where civilian cars, they came from Kharkov, the cars are there now burned. The Ukrainian army opened fire on them, the drivers where lucky to get out, one was in shock... they sent them on their way home. Those two burned out car chassis are still there on the bridge... and past them is where the corpses of the soldier are still laid out.. graves with Ukrainian soldiers over there are full to the brim...

    Q: You can see them?
    A: Well, all you got to do is look on the side of the road, they are in shallow graves. I don’t know where Western Ukrainians are looking. Do they consider them their people?

    Q: Well their mothers probably do...
    A: Of course a lot of our guys have died as well...

    0:00 - 7:38 min


    In the remaining portion this guy describes how it was like to be under the rain of Ukrainian mortars, artillery, and tank shells. This portion is really interesting but can some one else can translate, its hard work . Basically he describes being able to duck from mortars within 2 seconds, but tank shells are trickier and don't produce any sound except the explosion when they hit near by... After being under the bombardment for two days the guy looks shell shocked as any person

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  arpakola on Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:12 am



    giving up border posts..

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  arpakola on Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:38 am

    http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2014/06/20140605300874.html#axzz33pnxwVRb

    Amb. Baer’s Response to Russia on OSCE Violations in Ukraine

    05 June 2014
    United States Mission to the OSCE
    As delivered by Ambassador Daniel B. Baer
    to the Permanent Council, Vienna
    June 5, 2014
    Reply to the Russian Federation regarding Ongoing Violations of OSCE Principles and Commitments by the Russian Federation and the Situation in Ukraine
    I’d like to make four brief points:
    First, I appreciate the range of issues that our distinguished Russian colleague has raised, some of which are real issues, some of which are a continuation of fiction, and it’s always hard to sort out the real issues from the fiction in these statements.
    I would say that the Russian Federation has basically zero credibility on a number of the issues that were raised. I was interested to hear, for example, the Russian Federation’s concern about other States being accessories to the murder of civilians. And I wonder if that is a statement of policy the Russian Federation applies to Russia’s own behavior with regard to Syria?
    I was interested to hear about Russia’s concern about the upholding of international law and I wonder whether that applies to Russia’s own illegal so-called annexation of Crimea? I was interested to hear about Russia’s concern about elections and unlawful authorities, given the fact that Russia’s own elections have been so deeply flawed. So there may be some real issues buried in the garbage that was spread out today. The Russian government is not a credible actor to opine on them, unfortunately.
    Second, with regard to the incident in Luhansk -- because that was raised in particular -- we’ve also noted the conflicting reports about the June 2nd deaths at the Luhansk municipal administration building. Unfortunately, some reports indicate an accident with a separatists-fired MANPAD or other weapons may have caused the deaths. The OSCE SMM team, based on acknowledged “limited observation,” which I understand was not line-of-sight, reported the explosion could have been caused by a rocket fired from an aircraft. I would note that if one saw an aircraft flying by, that would not be inconsistent with a MANPAD gone astray if one then saw an explosion.
    The team’s level of expertise in making such a determination is unknown, and we note that the Ukrainian government is proposing a resolution to investigate this incident.
    Third, I think we should be careful: the Russian Federation continues to use the term “punitive operation.” This is not a “punitive operation,” this is about responding to a threat which emanates from, and is supported by, the Russian Federation.
    And fourth, as I said, among the range of concerns that were raised by our distinguished Russian colleague are some legitimate concerns. Concerns about violence, certainly -- we are all concerned about violence, we all want a reduction of violence. However, it is important for all of us to remember: this would not be happening without Russia. Russia is THE critical ingredient. A solution, a de-escalation, will not happen until Russia decides to also be THE critical ingredient in that solution. If Russia is genuinely concerned by what is happening in Ukraine, Russia can take a range of actions which would start us down the path of de-escalation.
    Thank you.

    bullsh..t ..

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  macedonian on Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:56 am

    ^ ^ ^

    Now, I'd really have NO OBJECTION whatsoever to getting H.E. Ambassador Daniel B. Baer fed a bullet to his head.
    It's just a bit of poetry, obviously I don't really mean it. Except that I do. Nah, not really...in fact - yes REALLY!

    FCUKIN' double-standard talking scum!
    How do these people live with themselves after their careers in civil war instigation are over?!
    I truly have no idea, other than that they are dehumanized to the level of not caring of the human suffering they help instigate.

    How do they talk to their sons, and grandsons, and what do they teach them? Certainly not morality.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  etaepsilonk on Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:01 am

    Asf wrote:
    etaepsilonk wrote:
    arpakola wrote:DNR field commanders, Igor Bezler, ordered an execution of two  foreign combatants


    Fake as hell.

    That "Igor Bezler" is a well known provocateur.
    If anyone wonders, it's not the first time he's announcing "the execution of POWs". Had this been for real, he would have been put down weeks ago by rebels themselves.

    It isn't Bezler. Look at the picture

    You were sayin'?  Wink 


    And BTW, this picture alone sreams "provocateur" all over the place.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  arpakola on Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:06 am



    no need to know russian to get the outline of this..

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    live >. from ANNA http://anna-news.info/node/15873

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  arpakola on Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:37 am

    «Правосеки» «подставили» шведскую компанию IKEA



    http://anna-news.info/node/16832

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  etaepsilonk on Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:42 am

    arpakola wrote:

    no need to know russian to get the outline of this..


    So who exactly is that "Igor Bezler"?

    Given his "leutenant-colonel" rank, he should be taking a hell of a lot interviews.

    Yet the only times I heard of him, he is assuming command of gorlovka police, ordering execution of taken prisoners from "dombas" punitive batallion, attacking that volnovakha outpost with privat bank vans (!) and ordering execution of those two prisoners in a fishy as hell youtube video.

    This character stinks for miles.



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    Marinovka. Looks like there may have been some action after all.



    Soo, did they come from Russia??

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:24 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:
    Asf wrote:
    etaepsilonk wrote:
    arpakola wrote:DNR field commanders, Igor Bezler, ordered an execution of two  foreign combatants


    Fake as hell.

    That "Igor Bezler" is a well known provocateur.
    If anyone wonders, it's not the first time he's announcing "the execution of POWs". Had this been for real, he would have been put down weeks ago by rebels themselves.

    It isn't Bezler. Look at the picture

    You were sayin'?  Wink 


    And BTW, this picture alone sreams "provocateur" all over the place.

    Strelkov was confused at first and stated that he was going to investigate.

    Now the rebels are claiming that it ain't Bezler.

    The good folks over at mp.net have already Nazi skull-measured Bezler's and the guy's in the video side-profiles. Their ears are pretty different, and the nose varies too. Likely conclusion is that they are different people indeed.

    But yeah everything about this guy stinks. Starting from the very first video at that police station; there was a hell of a confusion and still is I might add, as to whether Bezler was actually a provocateur working for the Ukrainian side, or a proper rebel commander.
    He appears to be legit, a rebel commander that fought in Afghanistan - but still this whole thing is murky.
    And of course if he was guilty of the crime shown in this video, he should be brought to justice swiftly.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  etaepsilonk on Fri Jun 06, 2014 12:30 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    And of course if he was guilty of the crime shown in this video, he should be brought to justice swiftly.


    If he's guilty of anything in this case, that would be amateurism.
    Professional investigation results, interestingly enough, from Kiev:
    http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/world/ekspertai-paskelbe-isvada-del-vaizdo-iraso-kuriame-matyti-kaip-susaudomi-ukrainos-karininkai.d?id=64978591

    I'm lazy to translate, but in short, faker than american wrestling.


    "He appears to be legit, a rebel commander that fought in Afghanistan - but still this whole thing is murky."

    As long as there's NOT A SINGLE interview from him, then he's a provocateur more likely than not.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:05 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:
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    Marinovka. Looks like there may have been some action after all.



    Soo, did they come from Russia??

    The rebels confirm that their attack on the Malinovka crossing was repulsed. They were attacked from the air and withdrew. The truck and the abandoned BTR on the video is theirs. But they're only admitting to 1 dead and several wounded. The operation was led by the former Ukr. Alfa comander Hodorkovski and some are blaming him. BTW, he was in charge of the failed assault on the Donetsk airport as well...


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  arpakola on Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:06 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:
    Asf wrote:
    etaepsilonk wrote:
    arpakola wrote:DNR field commanders, Igor Bezler, ordered an execution of two  foreign combatants


    Fake as hell.

    That "Igor Bezler" is a well known provocateur.
    If anyone wonders, it's not the first time he's announcing "the execution of POWs". Had this been for real, he would have been put down weeks ago by rebels themselves.

    It isn't Bezler. Look at the picture

    You were sayin'?  Wink 


    And BTW, this picture alone sreams "provocateur" all over the place.

    In the video the only in common is the mustach.. else the lad on the vid has a much slimer face.. (I think)

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  arpakola on Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:20 pm



    freedom of press. self-proclaimed fuhrer Oleg Luashko ousts Russian TV from Duma(Parliament) of Ukraine.
    "which passport do you have? russian? get out!... "

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    Twelve Thousand People Flee Eastern Ukraine to Rostov – Russian Rights Ombudsman


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #5

    Post  etaepsilonk on Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:21 pm

    arpakola wrote:
    In the video the only in common is the mustach.. else  the lad on the vid has a much slimer face.. (I think)

    Sigh... So now we have what, three guys, and all claimed to be Igor Bezler?  Rolling Eyes
    The reason for that is quite obvious, there' very little footage and information about the guy, and he almost incidentally always pops up just to announce some provocative stuff.


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