The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

Werewolf wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

We don't know that. We know that a lot of AFV's were indeed UA, but key coomponents of the NAF were RU sourced. This is what NAF themselves have said.  This is all I need to know. Russia takes care of Bizniz.

We know RF supplied arms and some minor numbers of tanks, but to say russia "obviously supplied ALL T-64,T-72A/B and B3 is retarded, not to mention that TR1 posts everything as some holygrail evidence and jerks off to it, while his first post of a B3 was a T-72BA, recently he posted this garbage of Kronet spotted in Ukraine, which was again a bullshit from ukrops with a Fagot engine portrayed as a Kornet remaining parts while a Kornet warhead was undamaged and undetonated, simply just used to smear shit against RF, while ukrops are openly recieving weapons from Nazi Masterlord US.

KoTeMoRe wrote:
The basic C²/C³ equipment was RU.

What?

Command and Control/ Command, Control and Commo. If we add EW and various specialties(like the Panstir) total battlefield dominance wasn't far. What would have helped would be Air support. But you can't always get what you want.

Off course all the vehicle pool wasn't Russian. It was Soviet . But yeah saying Russia equipped 10 to 20K people when Ukraine has been doeing that year in year out in 3rd world hells. A bit of a stretch.

The alledged Panzir was rapidly mute after its first claims that it was brought into ukraine, while the chimps still cry about the BUK which we know was ukrainian.

What wasn't is the fact we had Russian colums leaving Luhansk on late August, early september in good order and without many/any? apparent losses.

Werewolf wrote:The alledged Panzir was rapidly mute after its first claims that it was brought into ukraine, while the chimps still cry about the BUK which we know was ukrainian.

whir wrote:

Werewolf wrote:The alledged Panzir was rapidly mute after its first claims that it was brought into ukraine, while the chimps still cry about the BUK which we know was ukrainian.

There's nothing alleged about parading a single Pantsir in plain daylight along the streets of Lugansk (is not like well known Plotinsky's billboard with LPR colors is something you can see in other places) just to be recorded by dashcams as a show of force few days after UKrAF made a few sorties in the area.

Werewolf wrote:

What wasn't is the fact we had Russian colums leaving Luhansk on late August, early september in good order and without many/any? apparent losses.

Columns of what and if you could provide sources for it?

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

What wasn't is the fact we had Russian colums leaving Luhansk on late August, early september in good order and without many/any? apparent losses.

Columns of what and if you could provide sources for it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiOZHfxVGkw

disregard the source, see the video. These are Russian troops in good order. This is what IN&OUT looks like.

Rebels' Debaltsevo Trophy Count: Over 450 Heavy Weapons, 200 Pieces of Armor, 60 Tanks

Including nearly 200 heavy weapons which are immediately operable - the rest will be put into working condition after some are cannibalized for parts

A partial count of captured equipment by just one of the two rebel republics

Defense Ministry spokesman for Donetsk People’s Republic - one of the two breakaway republics in East Ukraine - says evacuation of useable military equipment that Ukraine forces surrendered or left behind in the January-February battle of Debaltsevo salient is now complete.

The reported final tally of weapons DPR evacuated amounts to:

Armored fighting vehicles:
58 tanks - 15 immediately operable
104 BMP infantry fighting vehicles - 38 operable
37 other armored troop transporters - 12 operable

Transportation vehicles:
180 trucks - 76 operable
28 special equipment vehicles - 9 operable
11 MT-LB armored tracked vehicles  - 4 operable

Artillery pieces:
3 GRAD multiple rocket launchers - 2 operable
14 Gvozdika self-propelled howitzers (122mm) - 9 operable
13 2A65 howitzers (152mm) - 12 operable
6 D30 howitzers (120mm) - 6 operable
2 PM-38 mortars (120mm) - 2 operable
2 2B9 mortars (82mm) - 2 operable
1 2S9 self-propelled mortar - inoperable

Anti-tank and anti-aircraft:
6 ZU 23-2 anti-aircraft automatic cannons (23mm) - 4 operable
3 MT-12 anti-tank guns (100mm) - 3 operable
3 9P148 guided anti-tank missile - 3 operable

These numbers refer only to the equipment evacuated by Donetsk People’s Republic. Forces of the Lugansk People’s Republic likely evacuated a many pieces as well. Also some equipment was destroyed in the fighting. Therefore the equipment losses of Ukraine army at Debaltsevo could be up to a few times higher than the numbers given here. Defense ministry spokesman:

   “All Ukrainian equipment after restoration and rehabilitation will equip our units, and we’ll use those not repairable as a source of spares. There are still significant numbers of Ukrainian weapons and equipment scattered near Debaltsevo, but most of that is actually only useless junk. Some we can use for future mine clearance activities, but all we can do with the rest is to scrap them.”

Werewolf wrote:

What wasn't is the fact we had Russian colums leaving Luhansk on late August, early september in good order and without many/any? apparent losses.

Columns of what and if you could provide sources for it?

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

What wasn't is the fact we had Russian colums leaving Luhansk on late August, early september in good order and without many/any? apparent losses.

Columns of what and if you could provide sources for it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiOZHfxVGkw

disregard the source, see the video. These are Russian troops in good order. This is what IN&OUT looks like.

sepheronx wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

What wasn't is the fact we had Russian colums leaving Luhansk on late August, early september in good order and without many/any? apparent losses.

Columns of what and if you could provide sources for it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiOZHfxVGkw

disregard the source, see the video. These are Russian troops in good order. This is what IN&OUT looks like.

Cant see men or gear other than motorized equipment, so I have no idea if they are Russian or not, and nor can I identify this location. Could be or couldnt be.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Now this is something I don't get, Ukrops weren't using MTLB's as prime movers then, it just wasn't the case. These guys are riding on Russian gear, with Russian gear and seem disciplined and straight to the biz. there is nothing to be overly secretive about. This is Northern Wind going back.

Werewolf wrote:Proofs of the locations and not some grainy pictures without any indication or reference of the location?

Nothing so far posted about panzir was proofing anything.

whir wrote:

Werewolf wrote:Proofs of the locations and not some grainy pictures without any indication or reference of the location?

Nothing so far posted about panzir was proofing anything.

Since I can't post links yet but just copy "96K6 Pantsir-S1 in Lugansk" in YouTube.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

What wasn't is the fact we had Russian colums leaving Luhansk on late August, early september in good order and without many/any? apparent losses.

Columns of what and if you could provide sources for it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiOZHfxVGkw

disregard the source, see the video. These are Russian troops in good order. This is what IN&OUT looks like.

Cant see men or gear other than motorized equipment, so I have no idea if they are Russian or not, and nor can I identify this location. Could be or couldnt be.

Now this is something I don't get, Ukrops weren't using MTLB's as prime movers then, it just wasn't the case. These guys are riding on Russian gear, with Russian gear and seem disciplined and straight to the biz. there is nothing to be overly secretive about. This is Northern Wind going back.

whir wrote:

Werewolf wrote:Proofs of the locations and not some grainy pictures without any indication or reference of the location?

Nothing so far posted about panzir was proofing anything.

Since I can't post links yet but just copy "96K6 Pantsir-S1 in Lugansk" in YouTube.

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Werewolf wrote:This are just few MT-LB's and that proofs nothing, since both sides have them in shitload numbers. This gear is Soviet and hardly to claim that proofs russian regular forces, this is also unknown location. That is even less than those White Painted tanks that somehow should proof being in ukraine.

whir wrote:

Werewolf wrote:This are just few MT-LB's and that proofs nothing, since both sides have them in shitload numbers. This gear is Soviet and hardly to claim that proofs russian regular forces, this is also unknown location. That is even less than those White Painted tanks that somehow should proof being in ukraine.

The car driver was the one that uploaded the video stating that it was recorded while traveling between Lugansk and the border and that the column belonged to "their guys".

Moscow Times wrote:

Thousands of Psychics, Witches to Descend on Kiev in the Name of Peace


Upward of 2,000 psychics, shamans, witches and warlocks are set to descend on Kiev on Thursday in a bid to bring peace to Ukraine through magic, local media reported Tuesday.

The mass ritual will be held on the eve of May 1, a day traditionally associated with witchcraft in Kiev and among many adherents to Paganism internationally.

It will take place on Mikhailovsky Square, bordered by two cathedrals, "the spiritual center and heart of Kiev and all of Ukraine," the event's organizer, shaman Sergei "Sabirius" Grechishkin, said in comments to Ukrainian news site Vesti.
 
The ritual will be led by "13 masters of the first circle," for whom Grechishkin is prepared to vouch. Аs well as possessing paranormal capabilities, the event's planned participants are "decent people with kind hearts," Grechishkin told Vesti.

"On the square we will collectively appeal to higher powers … to rouse people from this bloody outbreak of anger and hatred and ask to save everyone who has found themselves in this terrible slaughter."

Vesti reported that Kiev officials were unaware of the planned ritual.

Deacon of the St. Mikhail Monastery, Father Ivan, spoke to Vesti about the planned ritual, of which he had previously been unaware. "There's nothing bad about people planning to pray for peace in Ukraine. … [but] people pray for peace in church. … You mustn't forget that apart from God, there is also the devil, who can, via [psychics, shamans, witches and warlocks], create what at first glance looks like good things which then turn out to have been made using dark powers."

A planned group prayer in the St. Sophia Cathedral on the same square turned sour in 1993, Vesti noted. Members of the "White Brotherhood" sect had wanted to take over the cathedral, host a group prayer and then set the cathedral alight. Police intervened and arrested the organizers.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

whir wrote:

Werewolf wrote:This are just few MT-LB's and that proofs nothing, since both sides have them in shitload numbers. This gear is Soviet and hardly to claim that proofs russian regular forces, this is also unknown location. That is even less than those White Painted tanks that somehow should proof being in ukraine.

The car driver was the one that uploaded the video stating that it was recorded while traveling between Lugansk and the border and that the column belonged to "their guys".

Nashii, Nashiii uraa.  etc etc etc.

TASS wrote:KIEV, April 30. /TASS/. The rifts that developed between Ukraine’s ultra-right Right Sector paramilitaries and the General Staff of the regular armed forces of late may flare up with renewed force again, their leader, Dmytro Yarosh warned on his page in Facebook. He went as far as comparing his men to the armed gangs of Ukrainian Cossacks of the 16th century, who had escaped from oppressive aristocracy to a fortified area in the lower reaches of the Dnieper River, historically known as the Zaporozhian Sech. In this way Yarosh echoed threats from the Right Sector’s press-secretary, Artyom Skoropadsky, who on Wednesday warned his men would set fire to the presidential office building in Kiev.

Interfax.ua wrote:

A Belarusian deputy foreign minister met with diplomats from Serbia, Switzerland and Germany on Thursday to discuss planned meetings in Minsk of the Contact Group on Ukraine and working subgroups of the group.

Yelena Kupchina's meeting with the diplomats of Serbia, Switzerland and Germany - the so-called troika of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe - had been requested by the troika, the Belarusian Foreign Ministry told Interfax.

The troika was represented at the meeting by Serbian Ambassador to Belarus Veljko Kovacevic, German charge d'affaires in Belarus Holger Rapior, and head of the Office of the Swiss Embassy to Belarus Aldo de Luca.

Reuters wrote:DONETSK, Ukraine April 30 (Reuters) - Representatives of a New York-based aid group were expelled from separatist-held territories in eastern Ukraine on Thursday after rebels closed down their operational base, accusing them of spying.

Around 17 foreign and local workers for the International Rescue Committee (IRC) were detained in their office in the rebel-controlled city of Donetsk while their belongings were searched, a Reuters witness said.

The foreigners were then escorted to a hotel under armed guard before being driven to a separatist roadblock to cross into Ukrainian-controlled territory, the witness said.

RIA wrote:The World Bank released its Ukraine Economic Update on Wednesday, in which it projected the country's GDP will fall 7.5 percent in 2015, compared to a decline of 6.8 percent in 2014, a further drop it attributed to the ongoing war in the east of the country.

"This lower forecast is mainly driven by the ongoing conflict that has complicated efforts to stabilize the economy, disrupted economic activities, and hurt confidence of both investors and consumers," wrote the bank in the press release which announced these results.