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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:15 pm

    kvs wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Minsk 2.0 ceasefire is a abject failure, both Kiev and Novo forces have already denounced the so called 'agreement'.

    I am hoping it never gets established and the rebels kick regime forces well back from the major population centers.
    Any ceasefire with a minimum 100 km DMZ with enforcement by international peace-keepers is pure nonsense.

    Also, the OSCE was given excessive supervisory status in this "deal".  They were going to oversee the departure of
    the phantom Russian troops from the Donbas and the re-establishment of Kiev's control over the border.   This is
    total rubbish as well, since the OSCE is a NATO tool and NATO backs Kiev.

    While I generally agree with what you have to say, the OSCE is anything but a NATO asset. Back in the 8/8/8 war the OSCE was the first to declare that Georgia, not Russia, attacked first (a complete contradiction of the Western media coverage/narrative), and that Russia was responding to attacks on their peacekeepers. They even managed to force the EU and the UN to accept and support their findings on the 8/8/8 war. Even now the OSCE is defying the Western govt/media black propaganda war:

    OSCE chief saw no Russian troops in Ukraine's east

    Lamberto Zannier noted certain restrictions on observers’ work, i.e. difficulties with movement in combat zones



    KIEV, February 13. /TASS/. Lamberto Zannier, secretary general of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), told a forum on OSCE’s project coordination in Ukraine he could not confirm the movement or the presence of Russian forces there, while noting certain restrictions on observers’ work, including difficulties with movement in combat zones.

    Commenting the new settlement agreements reached on Thursday in Minsk, Zannier said they are the best of existing opportunities to put an end to the conflict in Ukraine's east. However, he said, pullback of heavy weapons does not mean demilitarization of the conflict zone. The Organisation will specify locations, to where the weapons will be taken.

    Representatives of the OSCE said during discussions of implementation of the agreements they are ready to provide general monitoring at the border between Ukraine and Russia if their security is guaranteed.

    http://tass.ru/en/world/777423

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  kvs on Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:08 pm

    If the OSCE just parroted NATO talking points it would have zero credibility. So it has to mix in some "objectivity" to stay
    relevant.

    Here is an example of how the OSCE serves its NATO masters:

    http://rusvesna.su/news/1423835415

    The OSCE refused to meet with the residents of Lugansk after the latest round of MLRS attacks by regime forces.
    I would say this is extremely brazen bias.

    The reason why the OSCE couldn't confirm Russian forces in the Donbas is because even NATO can't provide any evidence
    that they are there.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  Nikander on Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:17 pm


    http://t.co/1N7UFRdm2

    For Russian speakers, what is Savchenko saying here?

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    Post  Nikander on Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:18 pm


    http://t.co/1N7UFRdm2m

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  Kyo on Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:30 pm

    kvs wrote:If the OSCE just parroted NATO talking points it would have zero credibility.  So it has to mix in some "objectivity" to stay
    relevant.

    Here is an example of how the OSCE serves its NATO masters:

    http://rusvesna.su/news/1423835415

    The OSCE refused to meet with the residents of Lugansk after the latest round of MLRS attacks by regime forces.
    I would say this is extremely brazen bias.

    The reason why the OSCE couldn't confirm Russian forces in the Donbas is because even NATO can't provide any evidence
    that they are there.
    indisputable evidence. Will OSCE work with local residents yes or no?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:46 am

    kvs wrote:If the OSCE just parroted NATO talking points it would have zero credibility.  So it has to mix in some "objectivity" to stay
    relevant.

    Here is an example of how the OSCE serves its NATO masters:

    http://rusvesna.su/news/1423835415

    The OSCE refused to meet with the residents of Lugansk after the latest round of MLRS attacks by regime forces.
    I would say this is extremely brazen bias.

    The reason why the OSCE couldn't confirm Russian forces in the Donbas is because even NATO can't provide any evidence
    that they are there.

    But this still doesn't answer the question: If the OSCE is just another tool of NATO, why did they go to so much trouble to convince both the EU and the UN that Georgia attacked Russia first during the 8/8/8 war? I'm not totally writing off the possibility that they could be NATO assets, however it could just as easily be a competing faction within NATO, such as a Pro-European faction as opposed to a Pro-American faction within NATO, with the purpose of looking out for European interests first over American ones.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:16 am

    Georgia’s Ex-President Named Head of Ukrainian Presidential Advisors

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  Hisroyalhighness on Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:42 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Georgia’s Ex-President Named Head of Ukrainian Presidential Advisors
    lol!


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  par far on Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:45 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Georgia’s Ex-President Named Head of Ukrainian Presidential Advisors


    This bastard just does not know when to quit.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:11 am

    Hisroyalhighness wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Georgia’s Ex-President Named Head of Ukrainian Presidential Advisors
    lol!


    The irony is that NATO wants Georgia to join, but Sockpuppetshivili is a wanted criminal on the run and would face trial in his native Georgia, thus alienating and straining a Russophobic alliance between Ukraine and Georgia.

    This is highly reminiscent of how the U.S. Navy is goading Shinzo Abe of Japan to be more hawkish and militant against China; but at the same time his historical revisionist and grossly (disgusting even) distorted and inaccurate views about Japan's involvement in WW2 has now thoroughly alienated and strained the relationship between Japan and South Korea, which is a key U.S. ally in the Pacific.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:50 am


    This bastard just does not know when to quit.

    It is the dye in the Ties he eats... it is warping an already dysfunctional mind...


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  higurashihougi on Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:19 am

    GarryB wrote:

    This bastard just does not know when to quit.

    It is the dye in the Ties he eats... it is warping an already dysfunctional mind...

    Probably he can advise Kyiv facists about how to use ties as food in the case when Ukie economy cannot provide enough food to the people.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:54 am

    Indisputable proof of Russian military involvement in Novorussia:



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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  Strizh on Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:16 am

    Any news about the information on the ground does the cauldron still holds? What about logvino? And how up to date the information is?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:15 pm

    Strizh wrote:Any news about the information on the ground does the cauldron still holds? What about logvino? And how up to date the information is?

    Based on the latest info the pocket stays closed.

    According to militarymaps.info, Logvinvo is under Novorussian control.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  kvs on Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:24 pm



    The latest evidence of Russian intervention in Ukraine.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  Hisroyalhighness on Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:51 pm


    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    According to militarymaps.info, Logvinvo is under Novorussian control.
    Good, I hear Logvinvo was attacked by 40 tanks and AFV.

    According to the PM, the NAF will discard the ceasefire if the Ukrainian Army attempts to breakthrough to the pocket.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:09 pm

    Is this the "Galician foundation" that the swine Porkshenko was speaking about? lol1





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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:22 pm

    Bernard Henri Levy, the French neo-con (and Netanyahu's biggest cheerleader) who's best friends with Sarkozy, and the man who convinced him (Sarkozy) to attack Libya, is also one of Porkyshenko's top advisors:



    As you can see this was tweeted out by U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, a guy who was caught on tape with Victoria Nuland, speaking about the subject of 'cherrypicking' Ukraine's political leadership:




    ...BTW again I repeat, Bernard Henri Levy, Sarkozy's  friend and close personal adviser, is there still idiots and jackasses who want to claim Sarkozy is on Russia's side?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:27 pm

    kvs wrote:

    The latest evidence of Russian intervention in Ukraine.

    More evidence of Russia's military presence in Ukraine...


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:29 pm

    Hisroyalhighness wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Georgia’s Ex-President Named Head of Ukrainian Presidential Advisors
    lol!


    It's been announced that he'll coordinate weapon deliveries for Ukraine. Clearly jackass Obama wants peace in Ukraine... Rolling Eyes


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  par far on Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:00 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Is this the "Galician foundation" that the swine Porkshenko was speaking about? lol1






    These are the bastards that are trapped, hopefully these bastards are killed.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  F-15E on Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:11 pm

    Murmansk contract soldiers complain of being forced to fight in Ukraine

    http://en.censor.net.ua/news/324638/murmansk_contract_soldiers_complain_of_being_forced_to_fight_in_ukraine

    russia russia

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:31 pm

    Can we already ban this troll that posts only garbage and terrorist comments?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  VladimirSahin on Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:34 pm

    F-15E wrote:Murmansk contract soldiers complain of being forced to fight in Ukraine

    http://en.censor.net.ua/news/324638/murmansk_contract_soldiers_complain_of_being_forced_to_fight_in_ukraine

    russia russia

    So you're telling me Russia is stupid enough to send soldiers who did not volunteer to Ukraine? LOL and nice website would have some credibility if it did not have these three things at the end (.ua)

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