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    Serbia Looks to Buy Several MiG-29 Fighters From Russia

    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue May 07, 2013 12:00 am

    BELGRADE, May 6 (RIA Novosti) – Serbia is planning to buy several MiG-29M/M2 Fulcrum fighter jets from Russia, and Serbian pilots are already being trained in flying the aircraft, the country’s First Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister Aleksandar Vucic said on Monday.

    Serbia expects to buy the aircraft on credit, he said, adding that the final cost of the deal will depend on what weapon systems are installed on them as well as on the volume of spare parts to be purchased.

    The parties are set to hash out the details of the agreement during Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic’s visit to Russia on May 21 and Vucic’s visit from May 23-24.

    The new deal may be linked to the modernization of Serbia’s Moma Stanojlovic aircraft maintenance factory, which is due to become a regional center for servicing MiG-family aircraft, many of which are in service in neighboring countries, the minister said.

    Serbian media reported in late April that the country hopes to buy a total of six MiG-29M/M2 fighters and two radar stations from Russia, and that the deal could be closed before the end of this year.

    http://en.rian.ru/military_news/20130506/180999564/Serbia-Looks-to-Buy-Several-MiG-29-Fighters-From-Russia.html

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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Viktor on Tue May 07, 2013 12:45 am

    Already posted Very Happy
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    Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Battalion0415 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:52 pm

    Todays strenght of fighter jets is small. They need force up with new Mirage-2000(have they this today?).

    20 new Mirage-2000. 14 go to 34 fighter jets.

    Thinking Serbia force up theirs first size and after that they need more jets.

    No Africans nation's Serbia are.
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:23 am

    Serbia couldn't afford Mirage 2Ks... and I doubt they would buy from a country that so recently bombed them.



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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Battalion0415 on Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:07 pm

    Modernization Of Serbian Armed Forces Is Priority

    BELGRADE – The modernization, improvement in military cooperation and diplomacy through various peacekeeping missions and rise in employees’ living standard were the Serbian Armed Forces’ priorities in the first 100 days of the government, Defense Minister Bratislav Gasic has said.

    Gasic told International Radio Serbia that the rescue of flood-affected citizens and their property was “the priority above all priorities”, and noted that in the process of alleviating the consequences of natural disasters all capacities of the Serbian military were put at citizens’ disposal.

    The defense minister said that the modernization of the Serbian military remains a priority as many resources are not only outdated in terms of technology, but also amortized in the last 12 years.

    “We are speedily working on that in an effort to ensure that all branches of the armed forces-air forces, navy, infantry-are at a high level of capability, and have the full, sophisticated and advanced equipment,” the defense minister underscored.

    Next year, when the base “South” is completed and when we secure necessary conditions for trainings like modern armies do, we expect that it will welcome a higher number of foreign troops, which will bring Serbia significant benefits, and not only financial ones, Gasic said.

    He noted that, in the coming period, members of the Serbian Armed Forces will have major joint exercises, with American marines, and members of the Russian army.

    The defense minister noted that, in the previous period, the Serbian Armed Forces tried to improve the social position of its employees who were granted over 800 apartments in the first 100 days of the government.
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  George1 on Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:00 pm

    Battalion0415 wrote:Modernization Of Serbian Armed Forces Is Priority

    BELGRADE – The modernization, improvement in military cooperation and diplomacy through various peacekeeping missions and rise in employees’ living standard were the Serbian Armed Forces’ priorities in the first 100 days of the government, Defense Minister Bratislav Gasic has said.

    Gasic told International Radio Serbia that the rescue of flood-affected citizens and their property was “the priority above all priorities”, and noted that in the process of alleviating the consequences of natural disasters all capacities of the Serbian military were put at citizens’ disposal.

    The defense minister said that the modernization of the Serbian military remains a priority as many resources are not only outdated in terms of technology, but also amortized in the last 12 years.

    “We are speedily working on that in an effort to ensure that all branches of the armed forces-air forces, navy, infantry-are at a high level of capability, and have the full, sophisticated and advanced equipment,” the defense minister underscored.

    Next year, when the base “South” is completed and when we secure necessary conditions for trainings like modern armies do, we expect that it will welcome a higher number of foreign troops, which will bring Serbia significant benefits, and not only financial ones, Gasic said.

    He noted that, in the coming period, members of the Serbian Armed Forces will have major joint exercises, with American marines, and members of the Russian army.

    The defense minister noted that, in the previous period, the Serbian Armed Forces tried to improve the social position of its employees who were granted over 800 apartments in the first 100 days of the government.

    Yes but no money. I think i would be success for them if they could purchase with loan about 15-20 MiG-29SMT
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:15 pm

    Serbia is planning new purchases and repair of aircrafts, including two new Mi-17 helicopters
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:07 pm

    Serbia wants with the help of Russia to modernize its MiG-29s


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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Prince Darling on Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:19 pm

    translation of this is, serbia would like russia to more or less donate these jets/upgrade the few existing mig 29s

    there is no money for expensive military gear in serbia, its a pipe dream, the first priority by far is investing in economy, lowering unemployement, etc.

    not dropping +100M $ on jets that are of little use compared to the pricetag
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:10 am

    Much better (and cheaper) than letting foreign airforces patrol your airspace....we're only talking about 4 x aircraft for air policing duties essentially
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:18 am

    Serbia is looking for partners for the repair of its An-26 aircrafts


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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Militarov on Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:51 pm

    "Vojska Srbije ne zna šta ima

    Akumulatori koji su bili neophodni da bi MiG-ovi Vojske Srbije mogli da polete godinama su stajali zatureni u jednom vojnom skladištu u Pančevu! Ministarstvo odbrane potvrdilo je da su prilikom popisa imovine vojske u hangaru Centralne logističke baze u Pančevu pronađeni delovi za 18 akumulatora! Akumulatori su kupljeni još 2009. godine, a umesto da jedan uređeni i disciplinovani sistem kakav bi trebala da bude Vojska u svakom času zna šta se nalazi u njihovim skladištima, Srbija je morala da se za pomoć obrati Ruskoj Federaciji. Na kraju su na inicijativu ruskog predsednika Vladimira Putina srpskoj vojsci poklonjena dva akumulatora za MiG-ove, vredna 90.000 evra. Na pitanje kako je moguće da se desi ovakav propust i odsustvo koordinacije, Dragan Šutanovac, koji je bio ministar odbrane 2009. godine kada su nabavljeni akumulatori, priznaje da ne može da ponudi smislen odgovor." Source: http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Srbija/521087/Vojska-Srbije-ne-zna-sta-ima

    Shortened translation:

    Serbian army does not know what it has in its possession

    Batteries that were needed for Serbian MiG fleet to be operational for years were laying forgotten in one of the military storage facilities in Pančevo. Ministry of Defence confirmed that during latest inventory check in one of the hangars of Central Logistic base they found parts for 18 such batteries" (ready to be assembled apparently). These parts were bought back in 2009. and one highly efficient and disciplined system like the army should be was not aware of their existance. When Serbian Air Force faced shortage of batteries for their fighters, President of Russian Federation Vladimir Putin personally ordered two sets of such devices to be gifted to Serbian AF. This gift was worth around 90.000 euros.

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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Militarov on Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:32 am

    "Ремонт руских хеликоптера у Србији чија је реализација најављена током посете Русији, донео би нашој земљи економску, али и технолошку корист, сматрају стручњаци. Кажу да не рачунајући ремонт домаћих ваздухоплова имамо и кадровске и просторне капацитете за поправку најмање пет хеликоптера годишње. Премијер је приликом посете Москви изјавио да би број требало да буде најмање 20 пута већи. Колико ће руских хеликоптера слетети у хангаре наше наменске индустрије још није познато. Чињеница је да би такав посао захтевао ангажовање великог броја ескперата различитих струка. Ремонт чак и једног хеликоптера годишње исплатив је посао, кажу војни стручњаци.  Колико ће руских хеликоптера слетети у хангаре наше наменске индустрије још није познато. Чињеница је да би такав посао захтевао ангажовање великог броја ескперата различитих струка. Ремонт чак и једног хеликоптера годишње исплатив је посао, кажу војни стручњаци.

    Пуковник у пензији Зоран Бисерчић каже да није реч само о економском основу што је можда на првом месту. "Ремонт савремених хеликоптера за ремонтни кадар у војсци значи и едукацију и оспособљавање за неку нову технологију. Што се тиче опреме и алата и уређаја који су за ремонт, мислим да се споразум креће ка томе да ми то добијамо, ми не морамо то да купујемо", каже Бисерчић. Главни део обавеза преузео би Завод "Мома Станојловић". Посла би било и за панчевачку "Утву" и "Прву петолетку" из Трстеника. За бившег помоћника министра одбране важно је да Србија не буде само ремонтна база већ и база за производњу резервних делова. Капацитете за ремонт имамо. "Питање је колики би обухват радова био а недостајуићи капацитет би у релативно кратком року могли да обезбедимо", каже Илија Пилиповић, бивши помоћник министра одбране.

    Према његовим речима, највише би нам се исплатио хеликоптер "ми-17" за кога је за очекивати да ће се њим Војска Србије опремати, а и "ми-17" је широко распрострањен у целом свету. Без улагања посао ће се тешко реализовати. А план је да се постојеће могућности увећају бар 10 пута. Министар одбране Братислав Гашић каже да више од 50 година није улагано у ремонтне заводе Војске Срвбије. "Желимо у њих да улажемо значајнија срдства и подигнемо њихове капацитете да можемо да вршимо ремонт од 50 до 100 хеликоптера на годишњем нивоу", рекао је Гашић, додајући да се неда да ће то бити брзо. Најављено је да би Србија ремонтовала руске хеликоптере који су сада смештени у Пољској и Чешкој."


    Short "translate":

    Serbia at this moment can overhaul 5 Russian helicopters per year with current facilities and workforce, beside own needs (which i doubt are over 2-3 helicopters yearly in total including Gazelas). Serbia might form with Russian help center for overhaul of Mi17 and its derivates for foreign customers, most notably Poland and Czech. Cappacity for overhaul and repair will be increased to 50 to 100 helicopters per year (sic!). Major companies that will be included are Utva (aircraft and metal constructions production, in bankrupt state atm), Prva Petoletka (hydraulics, tooling, PLCs, pneumatics etc, also in bankrut state of a sort) and Moma Stanojlovic (one of major ex Yugoslavian overhaul centers for airforce).

    If someone needs more details of further clarification on something, feel free to ask.



    One shot from Moma Stanojlović hangars.

    Source: http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/ci/story/124/Друштво/2088828/Ремонт+руских+хеликоптера%2C+од+економске+до+технолошке+користи.html
    Translated: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rts.rs%2Fpage%2Fstories%2Fci%2Fstory%2F124%2FДруштво%2F2088828%2FРемонт%2Bруских%2Bхеликоптера%252C%2Bод%2Bекономске%2Bдо%2Bтехнолошке%2Bкористи.html&edit-text=
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Nov 01, 2015 12:09 am

    50-100 helicopters per year is a pretty big deal if implemented....actually even half of that would be a worthy achievement.

    Any news on the second hand MiG-29's and other stuff mentioned recently?
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Militarov on Sun Nov 01, 2015 12:26 am

    Cyberspec wrote:50-100 helicopters per year is a pretty big deal if implemented....actually even half of that would be a worthy achievement.

    Any news on the second hand MiG-29's and other stuff mentioned recently?

    Not big...but HUGE. 50 helicopters per year, i dont think even Russia has maintenance center that can do that many alone, maybe Aircraft Repair Plant No. 356 only.

    Nothing solid still, mostly rumons and on other hand BS by local media which are nearing to start claims of last Typhoon being given to us to use it on Danube river.
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:10 am

    Russian Weapons to Maintain Balance of Power in Balkans

    Serbia eyes buying Russian-made Tor, Pantsir, and Buk air defense systems as well as MiG-29 jet fighters, in response to Croatia’s plans to purchase US-made MGM-140 ATACMS tactical missiles.

    The Serbian military has already sent its requests to Moscow. They will be considered by the end of January by a bilateral commission on technical and military cooperation, the Russian newspaper Kommersant reported Friday.

    The Serbian Defense Ministry has submitted to the Russian Federal Military and Technical Cooperation Service a list of weapons it would buy, Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said, as a result of his visit to Belgrade.

    "We will thoroughly examine and consider the list. As far as possible the request will be fulfilled," he said.

    According to the article, the Serbian military’s request will be considered by the bilateral commission on technical and military cooperation. Its first meeting is expected to take place before the end of January.

    Belgrade turned to Moscow after Croatia announced its willingness to put US-made MGM-140 ATACMS tactical missile launchers into service with its armed forces. These are capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 300 kilometers, sources told Kommersant.

    "The Serbian military believes that deployment of such a weapon to the Balkans would change the balance of power in the region. And they did not receive any help from those calling for Serbia to join NATO. As result, they were forced to turn to Russia," a source said.

    "Serbia will not ask for concessions, but we have reasons to expect a lot from Russia. We will not wage war against Croatia. It would be a pointless war by Serbia against NATO," President Tomislav Nikolic underscored during his meeting with Rogozin.

    The requests of the Serbian military are predictable. According to Kommersant, Serbia wants to buy medium-range air defenses like Buk and Tor missiles as well as short-range air defenses like the Pantsir-S1. Deliveries of S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems were not even discussed in Belgrade, as the Serbian defense budget cannot afford them.

    Moreover, the Serbian Defense Ministry wants to upgrade its air force fleet to include several MiG-29 jet fighters. Currently, the Serbian military operates 10 MiG-29 jets (six of them were bought from Russia in 2013), 11 MiG-21’s (they are due to be mothballed in 2018) as well as several dozen J-22 Orao aircraft.

    According to sources, if Russia and Serbia agree on the number of air defense systems and jet fighters, they will be delivered to Belgrade from the Russian Defense Ministry’s stock and they’ll subsequently be modernized. This course of action is said to be less costly for Serbia.

    Despite the fact that Moscow and Belgrade have not struck any agreement on military and technical cooperation, Ben Rhodes, national security adviser for US President Barack Obama, said: "We don't, frankly, think it's in the interests of the region for it to be seen as caught in some Cold War style, zero-sum game between the United States and Russia. That is not a constructive way, we think, for the region to be approached."

    He added that the Balkan nations should independently make decision on their future, including NATO membership.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160115/1033205462/russian-weapons-serbia.html#ixzz3xMi6Raqc


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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:11 am

    I thought serbia has only 4xMiG-29s. Did they buy/lease 6 additional in 2013?


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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Militarov on Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:17 am

    George1 wrote:I thought serbia has only 4xMiG-29s. Did they buy/lease 6 additional in 2013?

    Only 4, 3 MiG29B and 1 UB, there was a 5th too but it was lost in an accident. When its about MiG21s, most of them are out of resources already, i belive only 7 are airworthy atm.
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Viktor on Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:08 pm

    atacms are free of charge meaning US might be preparing sutuation up here of another round of showdown. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail as people of the Balkan region dont need another war.
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:31 pm

    Viktor wrote:atacms are free of charge meaning US might be preparing sutuation up here of another round of showdown. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail as people of the Balkan region dont need another war.

    I don't really know what that showdown would even be about especially in north parts... This is most likely just another round of dick measuring between politicians.

    Realistically only major problem in the making is increasing presence of Islamic State, AQ and similar freaks in Bosnia and especially Kosovo. And not just here, it is same problem entire Europe will face sooner rather than later.

    In that case Serbia would need AA systems, not to fight Jihadists of course but to deter USA & co from doing something stupid to protect their previous (and most likely future) pets. World changed a lot since 9/11 but that does not mean Uncle Sam will start acting rationally with regards to terrorism, I mean we all seen Arab Spring and Syria fiasco...

    Stuff we need is Buk, Tor and Pantsir. No S-300 series, it is awesome but too big, pricey, bulky and slow. Everything else needed to handle Jihadists we can make ourselves.

    Just my 2c...


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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:28 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Viktor wrote:atacms are free of charge meaning US might be preparing sutuation up here of another round of showdown. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail as people of the Balkan region dont need another war.

    I don't really know what that showdown would even be about especially in north parts... This is most likely just another round of dick measuring between politicians.


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    Croatia Elects Former NATO Official President


    Croatia has become the latest European nation to propel a confirmed Atlanticist and former resident of the United States into high political office. Conservative politician and former NATO assistant secretary general for public diplomacy Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic defeated incumbent center-left president Ivo Josipovic by a traditional George Soros-crafted razor-thin vote. In the case of Croatia’s second-round, the vote was 50.54 percent for Grabar-Kitarovic to 49.46 percent for Josipovic. The razor-thin majorities for candidates groomed by Soros’s Eastern and Central European contrivances are normally very close. While giving the public the perception that their vote counted, election engineering allows for only a few votes to tip the balance to the candidate favored by Washington.

    Grabar-Kitarovic’s majority was enabled by receiving the required 21,000-vote majority from Croatians living abroad. Grabar-Kitarovic lived as a graduate student in Washington, DC and Boston and soon became Croatian ambassador in Washington and the chief propaganda assistant to NATO’s neoconservative Secretary General, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the former Danish prime minister.

    As an international exchange student, Grabar-Kitarovic graduated in 1986 from Los Alamos High School in New Mexico, the home to the Los Alamos National Laboratories, where U.S. intelligence and military agencies develop the latest nuclear weaponry and other warfare technology. Grabar-Kitarovic’s American host was a physicist who was reportedly employed at the Los Alamos nuclear facility. In 1986, Los Alamos National Laboratory was involved heavily in research and development for President Ronald Reagan’s pet project known as the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) or «Star Wars». It is likely that Grabar-Kitarovic became enamored of her host’s work for the U.S. defense and intelligence community to place a «shield» against nuclear missiles in space. Star Wars, however, turned out to be a complete failure and a huge waste of the American taxpayers’ money.

    Grabar-Kitarovic’s political science master’s thesis at the University of Zagreb in Croatia was titled «American-Soviet Relations during the Reagan Administration and the End of the Cold War», which is very reminiscent of the Cold War academic pursuits of former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Rice’s PhD dissertation dealt with the Czechoslovak Army and the Communist Party. Her book, which was based on her dissertation, was titled, «The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army, 1948-1983: Uncertain Allegiance». During her PhD studies at the University of Denver, Rice was taken under the wing of Dr. Josef Korbel, the father of former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, whose god-daughter, Susan Rice is Barack Obama’s national security adviser. Korbel, Albright, the two Rices, and Grabar-Kitarovic represent a post-World War II U.S. intelligence operation to groom the next generation of Cold Warriors and seed U.S. citizens and residents of Eastern and Central European descent into the top echelons of government from Estonia to the Republic of Georgia.

    Croatia, along with Albania, were the last two countries to join NATO. Croatia joined the Western military bloc in 2009.

    Grabar-Kitarovic is a member of the Croatian Democratic Union (HDZ), the neo-fascist oriented party of the late Croatian president Franjo Tudjman. She served as foreign minister of Croatia from 2005 to 2008 and was instrumental in pushing for Croatia’s joining the European Union in both that position as European Integration Minister from 2003 to 2005. Croatia joined the EU in 2013. EU membership brought Croatia the fourth-highest unemployment rate in Europe and a 50 percent jobless rate of Croatians under the age of 25. These statistics, which should have hurt the pro-EU Grabar-Kitarovic’s razor-thin victory in the presidential election even more suspicious and dubious.

    Grabar-Kitarovic was a resident Fulbright scholar at George Washington University in Washington, DC where she specialized in international relations. Fulbright scholarship programs are used by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency to recruit foreign students with future political potential into the ranks of the intelligence agency’s vast network of assets and agents.

    Eastern and Central European governments teem with such American agents of influence and intelligence assets.

    Estonian President Toomas Hendrik Ilves grew up in New Jersey and was employed as the head of the Estonia Desk by the CIA-linked Radio Free Europe. Two-term Lithuanian Presidernt Valdis Adamkus was a U.S. citizen and once served as an intelligence agent for the Fifth U.S. Army’s reserve intelligence corps. The Fifth U.S. Army is now known as the U.S. Northern Command and is responsible for ensuring, if the need arises, martial law in the United States and Canada.

    Ukraine’s new Finance Minister is Natalie Jaresko, a U.S. citizen and former employee of the U.S. State Department. Kateryna Yushchenko, Ukraine’s former First Lady, also worked for the U.S. State Department in addition to having served in the Reagan White House. Valdis Dombrovskis, the former Latvian Prime Minister and current European Commissioner for the Euro and Social Dialogue, was a PhD student at the A. James Clark School of Engineering at the University of Maryland in College Park. Just down the highway from the National Security Agency (NSA), the Clark engineering school is involved in intensive research and development for NSA’s next-generation of surveillance systems. The connections between the campus, College Park, and NSA are so close that a sitting Information Assurance (IA) Director at the NSA, Michael Jacobs, also served as the Mayor of College Park.

    The President of Albania, Bujar Nishani, studied for his Master’s of Arts degree in San Antonio, Texas. San Antonio is the home of the NSA’s Texas unit, known as the «NSA/CSS Texas Cryptologic Center (TCC)». NSA’s trains linguists at the Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland. Nishani’s presence in San Antonio is noteworthy since Albanian, as well as Serbo-Croatian and Russian, are taught by NSA at its Texas linguist training center.

    Mikheil Saakashvili, the former president of Georgia and current adviser to the putschist regime in Kiev, received his law degree from Columbia University and was the recipient of a U.S. State Department graduate fellowship. He subsequently worked for the New York law firm of Patterson, Belknap, Webb and Tyler, which has counted a number of right-wing neoconservatives among its partners, including former U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey and New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. Saakashvili is also a darling of the Israel Lobby, which showed its appreciation by awarding him an honorary doctorate from the University of Haifa in Israel.

    Polish parliamentary president Radoslaw Sikorski, who also served as Foreign and Defense Minister, is a former employee of neoconservative media tycoon Rupert Murdoch. Sikorski is married to Ann Applebaum, an unapologetic supporter of the Bush-Cheney administration’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and an ardent neoconservative in her own right. Sikorski, like other American agents of influence, received a fellowship in Washington, DC. Sikorski’s resident fellowship was at the neoconservative American Enterprise Institute, an infamous supporter of a new Cold War against Russia.

    Grabar-Kitarovic is just the latest American agent-of-influence to lead a NATO country in Eastern/Central Europe. Placing American puppets in governance of supposedly-independent nations is reminiscent of Nazi Germany’s and Fascist Italy’s appointment of puppet leaders and administrators in some of the same nations where U.S. lackeys now rule. Today, hardly a soul recalls the names of these puppet entities: the Lokot Autonomy, the Principality of the Pindus, and the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia. Grabar-Kitarovic is the ideological heir of the puppet Nazi State of Croatia, which was led by the fascist Ustashe movement, from which Grabar-Kitarovic’s HDZ party receives so much of its inspiration.

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/01/15/croatia-elects-former-nato-official-president.html

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    Post  OminousSpudd on Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:55 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:World changed a lot since 9/11 but that does not mean Uncle Sam will start acting rationally with regards to terrorism, I mean we all seen Arab Spring and Syria fiasco...

    Suspect Do you mean Murica's temperament changed for the better after 9\11?  I mean, that was their enabler, well and truly.
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    OminousSpudd wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:World changed a lot since 9/11 but that does not mean Uncle Sam will start acting rationally with regards to terrorism, I mean we all seen Arab Spring and Syria fiasco...

    Suspect  Do you mean Murica's temperament changed for the better after 9\11?  I mean, that was their enabler, well and truly.

    Absolutely not, but gathering large number of nations and idiots willing to follow them into great democratic Jihad will be harder today than couple of decades ago.
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    Post  OminousSpudd on Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:11 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:World changed a lot since 9/11 but that does not mean Uncle Sam will start acting rationally with regards to terrorism, I mean we all seen Arab Spring and Syria fiasco...

    Suspect  Do you mean Murica's temperament changed for the better after 9\11?  I mean, that was their enabler, well and truly.

    Absolutely not, but gathering large number of nations and idiots willing to follow them into great democratic Jihad will be harder today than couple of decades ago.

    Oh okay, sorry just misinterpreted it on my end.
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    General Ljubiša Diković among other stuff in this video annoynced already like 6-7 times delayed KuB air defence system modernisation (systems i spent my service on).


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