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    Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

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    Militarov
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:52 am

    George1 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:9.12 RF-92185 Blue14
    9.51 RF-92196 Blue75
    9.51 RF-29166 Blue101
    9.13 RF-93709 Blue04
    9.13 RF-93713 Blue31
    9.13 RF-93717 Blue10

    Borts to be delivered to Serbia

    that means:
    one MiG-29 of initial production version
    two MiG-29UB the two-seat training version of the type above
    three MiG-29S

    i wouldnt say this is a moderniazation, it seems more a middle solution for serbian air force until 2021-22 Cool

    They have 14 years of service more in them after modernisation and overhaul and it seems modernisation will be significant as they are mentioning Zhuk-ME, R-77 and even Kh-31 will be procured.

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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Dec 22, 2016 2:46 pm

    If Russia wants to keep Serbia as a strong ally they better give away more numbers and quality. If the US, Dutch, etc. can give away F-16ANGs or MLUs, I'm sure Russia could give them 24 of some refurbished Fulcrums. 6 is ridiculously low. And if manning costs is a problem for Serbia, they might want to get rid of the Oraos and Galebs altogether. Train their people in Russia and be done with it. One fast jet type is enough for their AF, the rest can be handled by say... second hand Hinds and possibly better AD. There's plenty of S-300PM components, as well as early Buks and Tors sitting in Russia or Ukraine doing nothing.

    Serbs need to be realistic (this is a hint to our smartie pants-in-chief as well).

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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:06 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:If Russia wants to keep Serbia as a strong ally they better give away more numbers and quality. If the US, Dutch, etc. can give away F-16ANGs or MLUs, I'm sure Russia could give them 24 of some refurbished Fulcrums. 6 is ridiculously low. And if manning costs is a problem for Serbia, they might want to get rid of the Oraos and Galebs altogether. Train their people in Russia and be done with it. One fast jet type is enough for their AF, the rest can be handled by say... second hand Hinds and possibly better AD. There's plenty of S-300PM components, as well as early Buks and Tors sitting in Russia or Ukraine doing nothing.

    Serbs need to be realistic (this is a hint to our smartie pants-in-chief as well).

    Well we are paying for overhaul and modernisation, they are giving borts. Allegeldy we got major discounts as these will get Zhuk-ME and R77 after 2017. most likely. Its unrealistic expecting they will give anything really for free. Buk is in negotiations for 2018. if its to be believed, they mentioned two batteries.

    Thing is that we can perform overhaul here in Serbia on G4s and J22s,, which we cant do on 29s. And both of those can fly for quite a while more, i expect G4s to fly into 2030s most likely.

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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:00 pm

    МиГ-29УБ /НЛ-18 (9-51A) 75/ RF-92196 , предположительно станет - 18303
    МиГ-29УБ/НЛ-18 (9-51A) 101/RF- 29166, предположительно станет - 18304
    МиГ-29A/Л-18 (9-12A) 14/ RF-92185 , предположительно станет - 18115
    МиГ-29/Л-18 (9-13) 04/RF-93709, предположительно станет - 18116
    МиГ-29/Л-18 (9-13) 10/RF-93717, предположительно станет - 18117
    МиГ-29/Л-18 (9-13) 31/RF-93713, предположительно станет - 18118

    Borts and proposed numbers in Serbian AF

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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:14 am

    Militarov wrote:МиГ-29УБ /НЛ-18 (9-51A) 75/ RF-92196 , предположительно станет - 18303
    МиГ-29УБ/НЛ-18 (9-51A) 101/RF- 29166, предположительно станет - 18304
    МиГ-29A/Л-18 (9-12A) 14/ RF-92185 , предположительно станет - 18115
    МиГ-29/Л-18 (9-13) 04/RF-93709, предположительно станет - 18116
    МиГ-29/Л-18 (9-13) 10/RF-93717, предположительно станет - 18117
    МиГ-29/Л-18 (9-13) 31/RF-93713, предположительно станет - 18118

    Borts and proposed numbers in Serbian AF

    They are supposed to be emblazoned with portraits of Serb pilots killed by NATO in 1999 war.



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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Militarov on Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:40 am

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:МиГ-29УБ /НЛ-18 (9-51A) 75/ RF-92196 , предположительно станет - 18303
    МиГ-29УБ/НЛ-18 (9-51A) 101/RF- 29166, предположительно станет - 18304
    МиГ-29A/Л-18 (9-12A) 14/ RF-92185 , предположительно станет - 18115
    МиГ-29/Л-18 (9-13) 04/RF-93709, предположительно станет - 18116
    МиГ-29/Л-18 (9-13) 10/RF-93717, предположительно станет - 18117
    МиГ-29/Л-18 (9-13) 31/RF-93713, предположительно станет - 18118

    Borts and proposed numbers in Serbian AF

    They are supposed to be emblazoned with portraits of Serb pilots killed by NATO in 1999 war.



    Not very likely. Its just an idea proposed by group of students and forum members, its not something MoD discussed. It would be highly unusual to do so actually, pilots would consider that a very bad omen, that is the reason why same bort numbers are never given either from the lost aircraft.

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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:37 am

    Government of Serbia has signed a firm contract with a European group Airbus for the purchase of nine military Airbus H145M multipurpose helicopters.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2353156.html



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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:31 pm

    George1 wrote:Government of Serbia has signed a firm contract with a European group Airbus for the purchase of nine military Airbus H145M multipurpose helicopters.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2353156.html


    Like I said months ago, light helicopters from France/EU, heavy helicopters from Russia, fighter jets from Russia.

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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Militarov on Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:09 pm

    George1 wrote:Government of Serbia has signed a firm contract with a European group Airbus for the purchase of nine military Airbus H145M multipurpose helicopters.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2353156.html



    Contract is shared between Military and Police however

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    Post  d_taddei2 Yesterday at 5:47 am

    Militarov wrote:
    George1 wrote:Government of Serbia has signed a firm contract with a European group Airbus for the purchase of nine military Airbus H145M multipurpose helicopters.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2353156.html



    Contract is shared between Military and Police however

    pity there buying western stuff they should have bought Ansat and/or Ansat 2RC,

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