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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Militarov on Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:57 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:They have large stocks left over from the Yugoslav Army so I suppose it makes sense to upgrade them. I think the Maljutka is till the most numerous ATGM in service with the Serbian Army. Apart from the ground based platform, the Airforce's Gazelle light helicopters are armed with it


    Very few of standard ground launchers are in use, so Fagots are more numerous in reality, Maljutka simulators are still there tho for reserve personel. So you can count only POLO launchers and those few Gamas that still fly and number is quite small actually.

    Serbia is pushing that design for modernisation due to fact that is our technological and financial maximum at this moment. In reality army has little interest for that freak, however that is what we can afford...if that.
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:51 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:They have large stocks left over from the Yugoslav Army so I suppose it makes sense to upgrade them. I think the Maljutka is till the most numerous ATGM in service with the Serbian Army. Apart from the ground based platform, the Airforce's Gazelle light helicopters are armed with it


    Very few of standard ground launchers are in use, so Fagots are more numerous in reality, Maljutka simulators are still there tho for reserve personel. So you can count only POLO launchers and those few Gamas that still fly and number is quite small actually.

    Serbia is pushing that design for modernisation due to fact that is our technological and financial maximum at this moment. In reality army has little interest for that freak, however that is what we can afford...if that.

    I like the fact that they have improved the sagger to be still effective. And yeah money is real issue. Konkurs would be sufficient and if they had the money Ansat 2RC would be good replacement for gazelle. Although a few years ago the UK had a big clear out of gazelle selling starting price was 20k up to 50-60k which is pretty cheap wonder if Serbia bought cheap ones for to be stripped for spares
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Militarov on Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:24 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
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    Cyberspec wrote:They have large stocks left over from the Yugoslav Army so I suppose it makes sense to upgrade them. I think the Maljutka is till the most numerous ATGM in service with the Serbian Army. Apart from the ground based platform, the Airforce's Gazelle light helicopters are armed with it


    Very few of standard ground launchers are in use, so Fagots are more numerous in reality, Maljutka simulators are still there tho for reserve personel. So you can count only POLO launchers and those few Gamas that still fly and number is quite small actually.

    Serbia is pushing that design for modernisation due to fact that is our technological and financial maximum at this moment. In reality army has little interest for that freak, however that is what we can afford...if that.

    I like the fact that they have improved the sagger to be still effective. And yeah money is real issue. Konkurs would be sufficient and if they had the money Ansat 2RC would be good replacement for gazelle. Although a few years ago the UK had a big clear out of gazelle selling starting price was 20k up to 50-60k which is pretty cheap wonder if Serbia bought cheap ones for to be stripped for spares  

    Sadly no. When its about spares for Gamas and Gazelle... there is a whole comic story here, as we managed to sell the company that owns tools and equipment that used to produce spares for less than 1 million USD.

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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:12 pm

    Sad to hear....I spent a year at Nish airbase back in the 80's. Back then there were 2 Gazelle squadrons (1 x GAMA sq) based there and over 20 Mi-8's

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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  SturmGuard on Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:44 pm

    Any truth in the rumours of 3 "Russian" MiG-29 already doing overflights today?
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Militarov on Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:04 am

    SturmGuard wrote:Any truth in the rumours of 3 "Russian" MiG-29 already doing overflights today?

    Not to my knowledge.
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  littlerabbit on Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:23 pm

    Three Orao planes over Presevo, this morning. Cool

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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  littlerabbit on Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:09 am

    Looks like we will have some new acquisitions in our AF...4 new Mi-17's and 4 new Mi-35's and some stuff for the Army. Smile

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    "The Serbian military aircraft Super Galeb (SOKO G-4 Super Galeb)

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    "The Serbian military aircraft Super Galeb (SOKO G-4 Super Galeb) crashed to the northeast of Belgrade near the town of Kovacice, the Serbian Defense Ministry said on Wednesday. The two pilots ejected before the crash, but one of them died as a result of the incident.

    "In today’s crash of the combat trainer aircraft SOKO G-4 Super Galeb, one pilot of the Technical Testing Center died after ejecting, the co-pilot sustained injuries. He is conscious and was transported to the Military Medical Academy in Belgrade," the statement read.

    The newspaper reports that the co-pilot was taken to the Military Medical Academy in Belgrade. Defense Minister Aleksandar Vulin and Army Chief of Staff Gen. Ljubisa Dikovic visited the co-pilot in hospital, the ministry added.

    An investigation has been opened into the incident."


    Source: https://sputniknews.com/europe/201804111063433589-plane-crash-serbia/
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Regular on Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:41 am

    RIP..
    By the way, what is the state of G-4 fleet? I assume it's pretty aging platform is there a replacement comming?
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Militarov on Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:30 pm

    Regular wrote:RIP..
    By the way, what is the state of G-4 fleet? I assume it's pretty aging platform is there a replacement comming?

    Well... state is apparently quite bad.

    They are actually planning to use them at least up to 2030, maybe even longer. There were some negotiations to modernise few in cooperation with Airbus. But i am not sure if that is great idea atm. Replacement doesnt seem to be in the plans. At peak we had 9 flying i believe one of which is target towing variant. In reality you can count on probably 5 or 6 ready to fly.

    On average overhaul pace is 1 piece a year. In total 8 were overhauled in 8 last years. Youngest two borts were produced in 1991. Spares are basically unexisting these days so... idk, its sad story in general.
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:31 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Regular wrote:RIP..
    By the way, what is the state of G-4 fleet? I assume it's pretty aging platform is there a replacement comming?

    Well... state is apparently quite bad.

    They are actually planning to use them at least up to 2030, maybe even longer. There were some negotiations to modernise few in cooperation with Airbus. But i am not sure if that is great idea atm. Replacement doesnt seem to be in the plans. At peak we had 9 flying i believe one of which is target towing variant. In reality you can count on probably 5 or 6 ready to fly.

    On average overhaul pace is 1 piece a year. In total 8 were overhauled in 8 last years. Youngest two borts were produced in 1991. Spares are basically unexisting these days so... idk, its sad story in general.


    Yak-130 would be ideal replacement although money is an issue to would be better to ground majority keeping 2 and money saved in upgrades every year they could use towards getting yaks slowly yes it would cost more but better than throwing money at something that really needs replacing or another deal with Russia for 12 multi role yak-130 would be ideal.
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Militarov on Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:52 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:


    Yak-130 would be ideal replacement although money is an issue to would be better to ground majority keeping 2 and money saved in upgrades every year they could use towards getting yaks slowly yes it would cost more but better than throwing money at something that really needs replacing or another deal with Russia for 12 multi role yak-130 would be ideal.

    With these MiG-29 deals and Mi-17s, Mi-35s i dont think we have any money to get trainers unless like they are like gifted to us. MiG-29 deal will be like 200 million in total.
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:50 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:


    Yak-130 would be ideal replacement although money is an issue to would be better to ground majority keeping 2 and money saved in upgrades every year they could use towards getting yaks slowly yes it would cost more but better than throwing money at something that really needs replacing or another deal with Russia for 12 multi role yak-130 would be ideal.

    With these MiG-29 deals and Mi-17s, Mi-35s i dont think we have any money to get trainers unless like they are like gifted to us. MiG-29 deal will be like 200 million in total.

    Like I said don't upgrade other older aircraft to save money then buy multi role (not trainers) these would now replace the older yugo aircraft an improved engine would be great on the yak something that brought speed up to around
    800-1000 mph. This would be a good replacement. They could possibly do a credit agreement with the money saved from not upgrading older aircraft as a down payment. Yak are cheaper than mig and it's likely the only affordable option to them.
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Isos on Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:12 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:


    Yak-130 would be ideal replacement although money is an issue to would be better to ground majority keeping 2 and money saved in upgrades every year they could use towards getting yaks slowly yes it would cost more but better than throwing money at something that really needs replacing or another deal with Russia for 12 multi role yak-130 would be ideal.

    With these MiG-29 deals and Mi-17s, Mi-35s i dont think we have any money to get trainers unless like they are like gifted to us. MiG-29 deal will be like 200 million in total.

    Wouldn't it be cheaper to send pilots in russia for training ? They don't need yak-130 to be trained for mig-29. Older soviet trainers are good enough.
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Militarov on Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:33 pm

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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:33 am

    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:


    Yak-130 would be ideal replacement although money is an issue to would be better to ground majority keeping 2 and money saved in upgrades every year they could use towards getting yaks slowly yes it would cost more but better than throwing money at something that really needs replacing or another deal with Russia for 12 multi role yak-130 would be ideal.

    With these MiG-29 deals and Mi-17s, Mi-35s i dont think we have any money to get trainers unless like they are like gifted to us. MiG-29 deal will be like 200 million in total.

    Wouldn't it be cheaper to send pilots in russia for training ?  They don't need yak-130 to be trained for mig-29. Older soviet trainers are good enough.

    I think you failed to read the post clearly. I stated multi role to replace yugo aircraft further up the thread this was to replace yugo attack aircraft they are looking to upgrade old aircraft recently a few have crashed. A MULTI ROLE yak -130 with slightly more powerful engine could replace them giving the serbs more options for weapons and it wouldn't break the bank. Not having a go at you just pointing out my point.
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  Isos on Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:45 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:


    Yak-130 would be ideal replacement although money is an issue to would be better to ground majority keeping 2 and money saved in upgrades every year they could use towards getting yaks slowly yes it would cost more but better than throwing money at something that really needs replacing or another deal with Russia for 12 multi role yak-130 would be ideal.

    With these MiG-29 deals and Mi-17s, Mi-35s i dont think we have any money to get trainers unless like they are like gifted to us. MiG-29 deal will be like 200 million in total.

    Wouldn't it be cheaper to send pilots in russia for training ?  They don't need yak-130 to be trained for mig-29. Older soviet trainers are good enough.

    I think you failed to read the post clearly. I stated multi role to replace yugo aircraft further up the thread this was to replace yugo attack aircraft they are looking to upgrade old aircraft recently a few have crashed. A MULTI ROLE yak -130 with slightly more powerful engine could replace them giving the serbs more options for weapons and it wouldn't break the bank. Not having a go at you just pointing out my point.

    It's doubtful they achieve to keep in service the mig-29 they received, if you add 12 yak which are modern and not that cheap aircraft they win't for sure have enough in the budget.
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:01 pm

    Isos wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:


    Yak-130 would be ideal replacement although money is an issue to would be better to ground majority keeping 2 and money saved in upgrades every year they could use towards getting yaks slowly yes it would cost more but better than throwing money at something that really needs replacing or another deal with Russia for 12 multi role yak-130 would be ideal.

    With these MiG-29 deals and Mi-17s, Mi-35s i dont think we have any money to get trainers unless like they are like gifted to us. MiG-29 deal will be like 200 million in total.

    Wouldn't it be cheaper to send pilots in russia for training ?  They don't need yak-130 to be trained for mig-29. Older soviet trainers are good enough.

    I think you failed to read the post clearly. I stated multi role to replace yugo aircraft further up the thread this was to replace yugo attack aircraft they are looking to upgrade old aircraft recently a few have crashed. A MULTI ROLE yak -130 with slightly more powerful engine could replace them giving the serbs more options for weapons and it wouldn't break the bank. Not having a go at you just pointing out my point.

    It's doubtful they achieve to keep in service the mig-29 they received, if you add 12 yak which are modern and not that cheap aircraft they win't for sure have enough in the budget.
    Yak -130 are cheap not many aircraft around with capabilities and price of around $16mn. Cheaper to maintain than mig-29. Yes their budget is a problem and needs sorting they should focus on upgrading existing land based systems and buy small amounts of new equipment likely their own home grown equipment and buy cheap aircraft on a credit deal with Russia. It will take time. Too much money spent building one off items for show that very few rarely buy. Money better spent on above.
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    Re: Serbian Air Force Needs and Modernization

    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:31 am

    Ceremony of the first MiG-29 fighters received from Russia into the Serbian Air Force



    In Serbia, on August 22, 2018, the first two MiG-29 fighters were introduced into the Air Force, which were transferred to the republic by Russia within the framework of military-technical assistance. The event was held with the participation of Serbian President Alexander Vucic.

    According to the Serbian leader, at the ceremony, repairs and upgrades of another six MiG-29s, which are jointly carried out by Serbian and Russian specialists, are currently being completed. According to Vucic, all fighters will be put into service for the parade in Belgrade in November 2018.

    Alexander Vučić, at the presentation of two modernized MiG-29 from Russia, offered to name these and 6 other similar cars the names of the hero pilots who died in the confrontation of NATO aggression against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in 1999.

    "My proposal, I hope that the Serbian Armed Forces will support it so that these aircraft will be named after the heroes from the period of NATO aggression: Velichkovic, Djuric, Radosavljevic, Pavlovich ... All of them gave their lives then," the Serbian president said. The biography of the heroes leads the agency Tanyug.













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