The Situation in the Ukraine. #7

It seems that the Western Media has become more subjective to Russia, CNN used words such as "Russian Paratroopers detained in Ukraine." rather than "Criminal Putin sent his elite special forces invading Ukraine in all fronts, Alert! WWIII has started." as how they made themselves sound during the MH17 incident. On the internet too, after about 1 day of flaming war in Youtube and google+, things have gone quiet.

Below is what I gathered with the 10 Russian Paratroopers incident. Of course nobody has solid proofs, this is what I think based on the limited supply of evidence out there.

A few days ago, in the region withing Russia near the borders. There was a series of bizarre murders. Criminals put nail on the road, and blow cars tyres when people drove over. When the drivers / passengers tried to get out and check, these criminals shot and killed them. There were no relationships among the victims and their belongings were not touched. Russia said they were going to send someone to investigate.

I guess Russia sent 10 "investigators" and then then they were ambushed and captured.

Apparently now there are some "organizations" which appeared to be "helping" parents and relatives of these Russian Paratroopers to bring "freedom" and "justice".

Things do not just happen randomly. These events are all linked and given that Strelkov said about Russia. The "10 Russian Paratroopers" incident is very likely being an inside job.

If there are powerful people in Russia who want to put an end to the rebellion, this incident fits in their agenda perfectly. So they setup some terrorist doing random killings, kidnapped the investigators, sent them to Ukraine for humiliation, and at the same time, did not spill real secrets about Russia's military (so what they did did virtually zero real damage to Russia as a country, only damaged Russia's will supporting Novorosiya). And all parties played the "nice guy", Putin to lose support, Novorosiya to lose support. I don't think Porky or any Ukie was able to pull this off.

If Russia's defense minister is to say "hey, actually, our own traitors kidnapped the paratroopers and they carted them over to Ukraine ..." Russia will become the laugh stock and Russia's internal turmoil exposed, which they can't afford to do so. So there comes the stupid excuse of "oh, they just forgot to check their GPS and decided not to take the usual patrol route and somehow wondered off into Ukraine."

Good thing is that the little accident attracted little attention, Putin said the war is Ukraine's own business to deal with. As long as there is no back stabbing from Putin and anyone else in Russia to Novorosiya, I'm happy. Mr Putin please deal with international pressures, try to make friends in Germany or Austria, prevent Nato intervention. Novorosiya by herself is more than capable finishing of Porky and his other Ukie clowns.

Vann7 wrote:Ukraine soldiers that surrendered , have been released by Novorosiya to their respective families..
must see.. You will not see any of this in western media.. will not help a lot with their negative propaganda against
anti-kiev fighters ,even less the claim they are terrorist.

This is why i strongly believe is not a good idea that the Novorosiya fighters move pass Donetsk and Lugansk
territory.. and that if poroshenko continues with the war that he will have to be killed..so the government disband. and no longer the Ukie army is forced to fight.. a new government will have to be created that is neutral and represent not only Pro EU but also pro Russians.  other wise the war will continue for ever. and more Regions will rebel.

I partly agree, but it depends on the general mood in the other important cities of the E & SE. Kharkiv and Dnepropetrovsk would be key. Kharkiv is shares a large border with Russia, so material support for the Novorossiyan/Federalist cause is available should they decide to rebel from Kiev. For me, Dnepropetrovsk is doubly important as it is the main center of the Ukrainian aerospace industry, and the strategically valuable design & production bureaus of Yuznoye and Yuzmash cannot be allowed to be in regime hands for longer than is necessary. US agents are no doubt already pouring over the detailed technical details of ICBMs such as RS-36 (SS-18), and given the proclaimed Nazi desire to rebuild nuclear weapons capability, they cannot be allowed to retain possession of ICBM design and manufacturing capability. Luckily the only RMBK reactors in Ukr are the Chernobyl complex and they are all shutdown, and the VVERs in the rest of the country are not useful for Pu generation (*).

The big question is - how much anti-regime support is there in Kharkiv and Dnepropetrovsk (as well as the rest of the E and SE)?

In my mind, the Novorossiyan forces need to concentrate on tracking and eliminating Ukr military units rather than contesting territory, with priority targets being volunteer battalions and mercenary units. Forget taking and holding territory. Pursue and destroy the ability of the regime to project military power, and force them to deplenish their ranks of civilian supporters while touting Novorossiyan battlefield success and discouraging the regimes less-radical supporters from risking their own necks in a lost cause. Eliminate the radical neo-nazi and ultra-nationalists, and give a chance for the regular army to rebel against their political masters. Conscript prisoners should be well treated, screened, and then released (but only if they have been genuinely inducted against their will, and are not closet nazis) and they will spread the word once they are back home with their friends and families.

Peace talks in Belarus? Pfffttt.... this pushback is only beginning.


(*) RMBKs are a dual military/civilian design that can facilitate replacement of fuel rods while the reactor is running, which is necessary for Pu manufacture as rods need to be irradiated until Pu content is peaked, then removed and processed to extract the weapons grade materials. There is no need to interrupt power generation, and the change-out can be done clandestinely to avoid detection by IAEA compliance inspectors. The VVERs however are pressurized water rectors that need to be shutdown and depressurized to change out rods, so this causes electrical power outtages and cannot be disguised.

onwiththewar wrote:It seems that the Western Media has become more subjective to Russia, CNN used words such as "Russian Paratroopers detained in Ukraine." rather than "Criminal Putin sent his elite special forces invading Ukraine in all fronts, Alert! WWIII has started." as how they made themselves sound during the MH17 incident. On the internet too, after about 1 day of flaming war in Youtube and google+, things have gone quiet.

CNN have recently shutdown their comments section, which although very annoying, is actually encouraging as it shows that the Ruling Elite scumbags who remotely control CNN reporting policies (as part of their pro-NWO mass-media perception-management machine) now recognise that the public is NOT buying their pathetic lies and pathological bullshit. In their panic, they are shutting down the forums for public discussion, and are using the transparent excuse that is closure is required due to unmanageable "trolls" and paid-activists....

onwiththewar wrote:If there are powerful people in Russia who want to put an end to the rebellion, this incident fits in their agenda perfectly. So they setup some terrorist doing random killings, kidnapped the investigators, sent them to Ukraine for humiliation, and at the same time, did not spill real secrets about Russia's military (so what they did did virtually zero real damage to Russia as a country, only damaged Russia's will supporting Novorosiya). And all parties played the "nice guy", Putin to lose support, Novorosiya to lose support.  I don't think Porky or any Ukie was able to pull this off.

If this is true, it's likely to be a cabal of Oligarchs who are secretly friendly with NWO Ruling Elites, and are acting to use their resources to create a 5th column to undermine Putin and to advance the US/eu Imperial agenda (either in the hope that the Empire will generously reward its faithfull servants/vassals, or because they are of a particular ethnic group that has a long and sordid history of subverting their slavic countrymen..). If the FSB determines this to be true, Putin should deal with these scumbags like he did with Khordorkovsky and the poisoned dwarf Berezovsky. No mercy should be should be shown to such corrupt, selfish, thieving subversives...

Hannibal Barca wrote:Sooner or later it will have to be a NATO country. NATO have to be dismantled one way or an other and I know which country will be as I knew first would have been Ukraine.

Simple, dismantle not NATO, but the EU and US through this; http://www.examiner.com/article/petro-dollar-era-is-officially-over-as-gazprom-begins-sales-yuan-and-rouble

Mike E wrote:Simple, dismantle not NATO, but the EU and US through this; <link removed - no ext link posting privilege yet...>

Kill the petro-dollar and US Imperial power will have the rug pulled out from under its feet.  Dollar will lose value, borrowing costs will skyrocket, and the current obscene US military spending levels will be utterly unsustainable.  US warships moored at harbour and rusting away into useless hulks?  Bring it on....

Big_Gazza wrote:

Mike E wrote:Simple, dismantle not NATO, but the EU and US through this; <link removed - no ext link posting privilege yet...>

Kill the petro-dollar and US Imperial power will have the rug pulled out from under its feet.  Dollar will lose value, borrowing costs will skyrocket, and the current obscene US military spending levels will be utterly unsustainable.  US warships moored at harbour and rusting away into useless hulks?  Bring it on....

If people stop using the Dollar, surprisingly enough the biggest risk to U.S. military hegemony is U.S. congress, due to the fact that they struggled to pass a budget...all it takes is the U.S. default from not passing a budget, and the U.S. Dollar is finished, panic runs on the Dollar, people will be dumping the U.S. Dollar and running for the exit. If that happens life here (including my life) will suck hard, but on the bright side it signals the death of Neo-Con tyranny.

What the US suffers most from is their wasteful spending. It's because of this carelessness that they can throw hundreds of billions of dollars at projects like F-35 (when they already had a more expensive but already finished product in the form of F-22). They sank billions of dollars into pointless projects like the Comanche, Crusader, DD(X), Zummwalt, and the list goes on. They have to live on hope now. Hope that F-35 will be good enough 5-10 years down the line, because their current fleet is getting dangerously old. F-15s and 16s are heavily exploited, A-10s are being forcefully pushed out of service (despite objections from army soldiers), etc.. The US spending does not mean US is extremely powerful, it just means they are hugely wasteful. I'd like to see what another country like China, Russia or India would be capable of if they were handed 660 billion dollars for defensive spendings every year.

Since BBC could not get a Photo of Russian invasion.. here is one.. the ultimate evidence..  

https://twitter.com/D_Artanian_M/status/504892655332249600

also....

Later people dare to challenge the claims that CIA-NEOCON-NAZIS  have taken control
of Ukraine.

It is worth recalling that on February 23, the Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada (Parliament) voted the following bills:
4201 – Bill to ban Ukrainian Communist Party activity.
4217 – Bill to redress antecedents of the Soviet occupation of Ukraine.
4176 – Bill to repeal law penalizing Nazi propaganda.
4184 – Bill to place V. Avakov as minister of the interior and members of “Right Sector” party on ministry staff (Avakov also belongs to the party which many consider fascist). Σ
4215 – Bill to establish a “Pantheon of national heroes.”
4203 - Bill to curb state spending.
4215 – Bill to pay tribute to participants in the clashes during peaceful demonstrations.
4197 – Bill to place "Svoboda" party member Α.Mahnitskogo as Prosecutor General.
4204 – Bill delineating the duties of the President of the Uraine.
4191 – Bill to place "UDAR" party member V.A. Nalivaychenko as overseer of Ukrainian Security Agencies
4211 – Bill to fire incumbent officers and personnel of security forces and replace them with new personnel (the latter are believed to be members of extreme right wing groups).
4199- Bill to repeal the use of their native language by minorities, which refers to Russian, Romanian, Hungarian, and Greek.

And the US state department is 100% aware of the new Government they are supporting in Ukraine.. How far
have United States gone since world war 2 ,that now they are trying to revive A totalitarian Fascism again ,for the only reason to use them as a weapon against Russia?

My question for all the americans but also Europeans.. is what US and Europe do if CHINA becomes incredibly rich
to fund revolutions worldwide ,and  with its money finances a violent civil war to overthrow the Government of Canada and install radicals in place that are very hostile to Americans.. and later once in power.. they use the Canadian army to Kill thousands of Americans including women and children living near US borders in Canada because they refuse to recognize the new illegal power ? and then later provide them weapons so that they can threaten the US nation security?

Im sure that they will invade in no time ,call its NATO allies and restore order.. Now we have the Hypocrites of the west ,its political elite ,mad at Russia because they are defending their nation security and the ethnic Russians being systematically killed in eastern Ukraine.  How dare the west become so hypocrite and even feel outraged that Russia is doing exactly what they will do if their nation was under a big danger of major attack for their hostile neighbors and their enemies was arming them?   Will Europe be so adamant to risk a world war 3 with nuclear weapons ,just because USA wants it? How pure idiocy of countries like Poland fueling the fire..not knowing they could very well be one of the first nuclear strike of Russia in case of a global war.. because Poland have fully supportive of the neo NAzis in ukraine and participated in the overthrow of Yakunovych with their maidans mercenaries and the illegal coup.

I really do not understand NATO Logic.. that if they come in Big Enough Numbers of nations with soldiers and military equipment and warships and militarize at the border or Russia. That somehow they will be able to break Russia ..and force them to retreat and no longer seek to defend their nation security?  Had anyone in NATO ever realized.. what if tensions goes too high ..and an unintended consequence happen? That Ukraine feels too confident for its NATO cheerleading.. and attack St petersburg or Moscow ,and thousands civilians end killed and they trigger a world war 3 that ends in nuclear weapons used? IS all NATO elite as stupid as they seem?  US is far away of Russia, and they will make sure to not be in the front line in any war against Russia.. how stupid Poland ,and Baltic States can be?  Do they have not though of any unintended consequences ,with nuclear weapons used and their nations destroyed?

I don't really think the Europeans are really aware of the danger of their governments policy ,of Following Obama world terror campaign .they fully support the American Arab Spring ,that did not bring democracy only helped Islamic radical jihadist to get weapons and big armies .. as if that was not going to strike back at them since they have many muslin in their countries too.. they supported the Illegal proxy war in Syria with their Sanctions ,and now providing modern weapons (allegedly to KUrds) but that anyone knows will end in the hands of ISIS..

For the only reasons that Terrorist like Alqaeda and ISIS exist..and now bandera Nazis provoking a war with RUssia, is because the EU have unconditionally supported ALL US policies in the middle east and eastern Europe. Now US is asking to fully militarize eastern Europe to counter Russia as if any amount of tanks,combat jets or as they call it "readyness to attack in a first strike" will save NATO nations to be totally wiped from a Russian nuclear retaliation.

All that is takes for a world war 3 start.. with nuclear weapons is that some western agencies supply a nuclear warhead to kiev banderas retards high in drugs and they try to use it against Russia. I don't think even if the attack fails..that Russia will look only at Ukraine for the retaliation.

Uiraine says Russian troops started a third front, is there any proof for this?
Link again in Dutch.


http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3727848/2014/08/28/Russische-troepen-beginnen-derde-front-in-Oost-Oekraine.dhtml

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

Mike E wrote:Simple, dismantle not NATO, but the EU and US through this; <link removed - no ext link posting privilege yet...>

Kill the petro-dollar and US Imperial power will have the rug pulled out from under its feet.  Dollar will lose value, borrowing costs will skyrocket, and the current obscene US military spending levels will be utterly unsustainable.  US warships moored at harbour and rusting away into useless hulks?  Bring it on....

If people stop using the Dollar, surprisingly enough the biggest risk to U.S. military hegemony is U.S. congress, due to the fact that they struggled to pass a budget...all it takes is the U.S. default from not passing a budget, and the U.S. Dollar is finished, panic runs on the Dollar, people will be dumping the U.S. Dollar and running for the exit. If that happens life here (including my life) will suck hard, but on the bright side it signals the death of Neo-Con tyranny.

I don't share your optimism. Neocons will not simply back down peacefully like the Soviets did. They gonna be even more abusive and deceptive.
Regime changes and coups will be the norm against their former allies that seek a better future away from American hegemony and the cold war mentality will be massive.
People will be executed others will be imprisoned domestically and abroad.
With the two-party mentality super strong they will be able to hang around until their people will reach unprecedented level of suffering.

Hannibal Barca wrote:
I don't share your optimism. Neocons will not simply back down peacefully like the Soviets did. They gonna be even more abusive and deceptive.
Regime changes and coups will be the norm against their former allies that seek a better future away from American hegemony and the cold war mentality will be massive.
People will be executed others will be imprisoned domestically and abroad.
With the two-party mentality super strong they will be able to hang around until their people will reach unprecedented level of suffering.

Neither i share that optimism.
There is the claim ,no idea if true.. but have heard that even if US Government economy collapse ,NATO (US military bases) will continue to operate.. Because the Private Bank -THE Federal Reserve..the IMF and the World Bank, the Neocon elite that controls it.. the Banking cartel, Have in silence stolen all the Gold that belong to US and EUROPE and south america.

Germany for example could not see their gold ,and could not get it back ,when they visited US banks in America..
They didn't have it at that time..come in 2020, was the answer.

 So if the dollar crash.. there is the theory that US and Europe will become a private institutions owned by the Banking Elite. They will own your house mortgage ,your car mortgage ,they will buy all your debt. Your "Government" will become a Private Bank.. And finally they will come out from the shadows as they always operated.. Fortunately this will not have a major negative consequences for the east and BRICS Nations.

Don't worry gentlemen, in 20 years Russia will exist no more.

There are now 100k armed jihadsts in Iraq 'n Syria so maybe when they topple the Russian puppet Assad, our friends in Washington will suggest them to redeploy some of their forces to Chechnya

100% an anglo saxon troll, no slavic roots whatsoever.
Should check his IP address.

Petro007 wrote:Don't worry gentlemen, in 20 years Russia will exist no more.

There are now 100k armed jihadsts in Iraq 'n Syria so maybe when they topple the Russian puppet Assad, our friends in Washington will suggest them to redeploy some of their forces to Chechnya

I think the chance is 100 times bigger that the Ukraine won't exist anymore...

Petro007 wrote:Don't worry gentlemen, in 20 years Russia will exist no more.

There are now 100k armed jihadsts in Iraq 'n Syria so maybe when they topple the Russian puppet Assad, our friends in Washington will suggest them to redeploy some of their forces to Chechnya

Russia defeated the mongols empire ,The Ottoman empire ,The Napoleon army who wiped all europe and the world best army of all times the German Nazi army in world war 2 ,that invaded Russia with 8 millions soldiers with many thousands of tanks modern airforce.. What makes you believe that 100,000 jihadist cannibals will defeat the Russian army and its 140 million citizens that backup its government?    

you cannot defeat Russia in a land military invasion not even if all NATO armies joins those 100,000 jihadist you talk
about..    Take a look at the world map.. and see the territory of Russia how big it is.. is not like invading IRAQ.  Also notice in the world MAP the powerful allies that Russia have.. China shares border with Russia right in south Siberia.     So to deafeat Russia in a land invasion you need to defeat Russia + Belarus +Kazakistan + CHina..and with India also giving a hand.  Good luck with that invasion , Western powers and ISRAEL stand not a chance to win in a land combat against Russia.. Not even Crimea.  Russia can win the war conventionally ,but also with Nukes.

On other news..



This is How Ukraine will end.. IF Poroshenko continues its criminal war for another year.. and refuse
any peace or dialogue.

man I didnt mean that these jihadists will defeat Russia but that a steady influx of jihadists to Caucasus would drain Russian financial resources hastebing the FALL

By fall I mean terrotorial disintegration comparable to that of the Sovietistan - collapse for economic reasons. Belarus and Ukraine expanding eastwards, Poland taking Kaliningrad, Chinese taking Siberia and jihadists taking North Caucasus, with the current Russia being reduced to a core around Moscow plus maybe another one around St. Petersburg. That would be GREAT

Wow some anglo saxons are really living in some fantasy worlds...

How can such thing like you even exist?

I wonder where Petro007 gets his ideas from?
Perhaps it was Joyce, who emailed me here. She tells me I can make 4 Million USD if I give her my bank details.

I think I'm more likely to believe Joyce than Petro007.

Petro007 wrote: man I didnt mean that these jihadists will defeat Russia but that a steady influx of jihadists to Caucasus would drain Russian financial resources hastebing the FALL

By fall I mean terrotorial disintegration comparable to that of the Sovietistan - collapse for economic reasons. Belarus and Ukraine expanding eastwards, Poland taking Kaliningrad, Chinese taking Siberia and jihadists taking North Caucasus, with the current Russia being reduced to a core around Moscow plus maybe another one around St. Petersburg. That would be GREAT

You forgot aliens from Mars invading Russia..
You seem like a kid ..with very infantile knowledge.. China fighting Russia?  
and the majority of Muslins in Caucasus support Russia ,otherwise you will not see a long peace of more than a decade. Jihadist groups are a minority. Russia have enough tools to counter a jihadist invasion.. they are not a third world nation .. They can bomb an entire city with gas chemicals, that traditional gas mask cannot protect and totally knockdown terrorist without killing them or destroying anything.. Russia can do an EMP attack and destroy all their communications. and any modern weapon they use.. Sleep gas ,Sound weapons.. etc..Simply Russia is not a third world nation like IRAQ or Syria..and ISIS stand not a chance in an invasion to Russia. If Poland invades Kaliningrad it will be nuked by Russia..with 1kt nukes.. and they will backtrack.. However Kaliningrad is not impossible to take. NATO could do it.. if they really want it.. but price they will have to pay will be catastrophic with many warships destroyed and industries bombed. Kaliningrad is on a difficult place for sure to defend.. from a NATO attack..but the price they will have to pay will be Enormous.And RUssia mainland ,only way to break Russia ,is as i told you internally, with a major division on its political elite..like in Soviet times, but this is not less true for any other country in the world.  it will be more easier for USA to disband that for Russia ,because today Putin Popularity is all time highest.. not like Obama.

Add the fact that there are more Russian citizens (ethnic Russians) from the Urals eastwards, than the number in Moscow. I highly doubt Siberia, Urals, and far east will be taken away since theit ethnic Russians are dominant with the other ethnic groups being happy as is.

North Caucuses can be a problem though, specifically through Daegestan and Ingushetia due to Jihadists. And it will take time and development in these areas to calm things, like it did in Chechnya.

Petro007 wrote:Don't worry gentlemen, in 20 years Russia will exist no more.

There are now 100k armed jihadsts in Iraq 'n Syria so maybe when they topple the Russian puppet Assad, our friends in Washington will suggest them to redeploy some of their forces to Chechnya

Chechnya? You've been there and tried that, and failed in an epic manner. You simply alerted the Russians to the true pathological nature of the medieval Saudi wahabbi-salafist mindset, and the opportunistic and utterly immoral ruthlessness of the western ruling elite.

Depression is obviously setting in over the impending collapse of gimp-boy Porkyshenko and his rough-rider lovers in the Svoboda camp...

Werewolf wrote:Wow some anglo saxons are really living in some fantasy worlds...

How can such thing like you even exist?

You cannot really blame Petro007 the troll. As an anglo, he has been exposed since birth to the corrosive agitprop that is embedded into our culture. Simple unthinking people like him fail to understand that the Ruling Elite in the Western world has been corrupted by the intrinsic ethos of Capitalism. Winner take all, give nothing back, enough is never enough, endless expansion, more growth, accept no barriers, tolerant no competition etc etc

The Ruling Elite here HATE Russia with an unending passion because it has the potential to resist the neoliberal NWO that is seeking to enslave all nations and all peoples with its Capital-Is-King philosophy. They HATE Putin because during his tenure, Russia has not fragmented or has allowed Western financial interests to control her resources, wealth and domestic politics. Putin and his government are fully aware of the evil and despicable game at play, and as a master player of geo-political chess, he is an excellent man to have at the helm given the vicious undercurrents in todays world.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. How ironic that a phrase so often uttered by Western cold-war warriors is now more appropriate for the peoples of ex-USSR, China and the developing world....

Vann7 wrote:you cannot defeat Russia in a land military invasion not even if all NATO armies joins those 100,000 jihadist you talk
about..  

Simply put, Russia should be IMMUNE to threats of large scale invasion simply because of its capability to use battlefield nukes. Should NATO ever decide to commit unilateral agression (pfftt.. like the NATO rabble will ever agree unanimously on that...) Russia simply needs to publically warn NATO nations that one the first day of NATO troops crossing Russias border, she will immediately respond with nukes against troop marshalling areas and forward bases. Make it clear to NATO warmongers that aggression will lead to DISASTER.

Russia should expand its battlefield nuke forces, and deploy IRBMs once the INF treaty expires. Send a strong signal and let NATO sweat.

Oh nice.. Motorola is a true warrior.. check this video is priceless..
Motorola and his team fighting in Ilovaisk apparently they captured the town and the Ukie troops
they were fighting were very well armed , looked like professionals military not just conscripts...

Petro007 wrote:Don't worry gentlemen, in 20 years Russia will exist no more.

There are now 100k armed jihadsts in Iraq 'n Syria so maybe when they topple the Russian puppet Assad, our friends in Washington will suggest them to redeploy some of their forces to Chechnya

In 20 years Russia will be still there.

Considering Caliphate, their target is EU, not Russia. They don't have enough support inside Russia to operate there, but in contrary inside EU they have enough supporters for effective fifth column and they very easily send more agents and warriors between refugees, which go from North Africa to Italy and Spain. Califate also gain territories in Libya and in Nigeria, so in opposite direction than Russia.

Well, my Ukrainian friend, it will not last long, when Ukrainian army will have to fight with jihadists. Not in Russia, but in EU.