The Situation in the Ukraine. #6

arpakola wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

etaepsilonk wrote:

TR1 wrote:Hard to say the full extent of the UA and Natzgvardia losses. We will know when the smoke clears I guess.

With the Uks pinned between the Seps and the Russian border, things could get real nasty for them if Russia looks the other way while Seps and volunteers move through the safe space.

Well, we can have the estimate.
It's assumed that there had been about 5000 UA soldiers in the cauldron.

That includes three infantry brigades, two "battalions", and some number of natguard too.

Quite a tide turning event, I must say   

Those 3,000 - 5,000 Ukie soldiers will be far more valuable alive than killed.. if they surrender it will be a huge blow
to Kiev.. not only militarily .. but also politically. IT will force Kiev to negotiate with the Rebels forces for peace ,and it will show the world but also all Ukrainians that the Rebels are just normal people not terrorist and all they want is to defend their families and have a future.

even better if refuge to RF and ask asylom..  

Sec. 301. Military assistance for Ukraine.

Sec. 302. Sense of Congress on intelligence sharing with Ukraine.

Sec. 308. Support for democracy and civil society organizations in countries of the former Soviet Union.

Sec. 309. Expanded broadcasting in countries of the former Soviet Union.

Sec. 206. Support for Russian democracy and civil society organizations.

Sec. 104. Accelerating implementation of European and NATO missile defense efforts.

Sec. 105. Strengthened United States-German cooperation on global and European security issues.

Source: https://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th...bill/2277/text  

В одесский порт прибыли мощные артиллерийские установки, штабные автобусы и грузовики для отправки в Донбасс
Вчера в порту Одессы в обстановке повышенной секретности была произведена разгрузка двенадцати самоходных колесных артиллерийских установок — 152-миллиметровых пушек-гаубиц vz. 77 «Дана» чешского производства, состоящих на вооружении Вооруженных сил Польши, а также штабные автобусы и грузовики. После выгрузки артдивизион (предположительно, из состава Первой Мазурской артиллерийской бригады), полностью укомплектованный польскими военнослужащими, своим ходом проследовал на железнодорожную станцию Раздельная для погрузки на платформы.
Военные эксперты, знакомые с ситуацией, предполагают, что это тот самый «неприятный для ополчения сюрприз», о котором говорил Петр Порошенко.
С открытым вступлением в гражданскую войну на Украине регулярной армии иностранного государства — члена НАТО, военно-политическая обстановка меняется коренным образом. Полностью развязывая Российской Федерации и ее союзникам руки для адекватного ответа.

arpakola wrote:Just in case someone wants to argue about the Western and US democracy .. freedom of speach and objectivness

magnumcromagnon wrote:

arpakola wrote:Just in case someone wants to argue about the Western and US democracy .. freedom of speach and objectivness

The "Greeks-in-name-only" that the West likes to put on a pedestal would lick the disease-riddled filth-caked backside of a Grey Wolf Pan-Turk, for .10 cents (USD) per ass cheek! One day I hope Greece can have it's emancipation from NATO and possibly join Russia in a alliance or even have a referendum to become apart the same country, and hopefully they can help each other such as: Greece can offer warm water ports in Crete for their RuNavy, and Russia could help retake Northern Cyprus with tactical strikes with Iskander-M's and Greek forces could storm in and re-take the North, then after that Constantinople/Istanbul is next!!! 

Hannibal Barca wrote:Doesn't matter who did it. The Kiev FIR should had never send a plane over a battlezone fullstop! They are the ones who should take all the blame.

As Sa'iqa wrote:I am getting more and more convinced that if Ukraine does not manage to defeat the seps till the end of july, Poland should send it's forces. Two brigades on KTO Rosomak + brigade on Leo2A4 should suffice.

Vann7 wrote:
A US congress false flag event.. I can't wait to see the explanation how in hell the a Civilian Airplane was
allowed to fly over a war zone. It looks like a well planned false flag operation to help the Ukie army to exit the Rebel siege without having to fight or surrender.   Looks similar to the Korean false flag incident where a civilian airline
"lost is course" and flew deep inside Russia territory and after warned to change course several times ,was shut down.


Can't wait to see flight path of the plane ,how in hell they ended flying there.. From where the plane came and to see if there was really civilians inside or the bodies not planted later.. anything is possible but 100% sure is was a very planned event. And how the plane was shut down is another thing.. but the fact the white house blame Russia clearly shows how fraudulent is the event... Im wondering how can any nation in Europe support United States actions in Ukraine after all the evidence that exist ,civilians being systematically killed by the kiev forces.

As Sa'iqa wrote:I am getting more and more convinced that if Ukraine does not manage to defeat the seps till the end of july, Poland should send it's forces. Two brigades on KTO Rosomak + brigade on Leo2A4 should suffice.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

As Sa'iqa wrote:I am getting more and more convinced that if Ukraine does not manage to defeat the seps till the end of july, Poland should send it's forces. Two brigades on KTO Rosomak + brigade on Leo2A4 should suffice.

So Poland could have it's ass handed to them by Russia for the 6791789181898 time?

Firebird wrote:According to the ridiculous BBC, we should wait to see what the Americans say. Ofcourse in the BBC's eyes, America is really a lawful Team America World Police AND World Judge and Jury.

They claim that American UV plume footage will be conclusive evidence as to who did it..
I mean America would never lie would they...  

I just wonder, was it Shite Sector, the Americans, or other Ukrainian junta force?
The other 2 suggestions (Russia or the Donetsk resistance) are rather far fetched, to say the least.

Firebird wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

As Sa'iqa wrote:I am getting more and more convinced that if Ukraine does not manage to defeat the seps till the end of july, Poland should send it's forces. Two brigades on KTO Rosomak + brigade on Leo2A4 should suffice.

So Poland could have it's ass handed to them by Russia for the 6791789181898 time?

Yeah the Poles could drive them to Hohol-land Lvov themselves. Except they're all too business cleaning toilets over in England...

Werewolf wrote:

Firebird wrote:According to the ridiculous BBC, we should wait to see what the Americans say. Ofcourse in the BBC's eyes, America is really a lawful Team America World Police AND World Judge and Jury.

They claim that American UV plume footage will be conclusive evidence as to who did it..
I mean America would never lie would they...  

I just wonder, was it Shite Sector, the Americans, or other Ukrainian junta force?
The other 2 suggestions (Russia or the Donetsk resistance) are rather far fetched, to say the least.

Sure, because we all know when US claims they have evidence that they show it in court of law with real evidence like the white washing powder in the tube.... i mean Chemicals from Saddams WMD's, or the chemical attack on civilians by terrorists... i mean Assads forces or the sarin gassed syrian theatre group .... erm i mean civilians that made the dying swan infront of cameramen but waited several minutes for his sign to moan in pain and agony.

US has never shown any evidence for anything. Before US shows any evidence, Parasha-jewnko will become communist and give away all his hard stolen money back to the people.

medo wrote:I would like to know, why Ukrainian ATC allow Malaysian passenger plane to fly over war zone. This could be false flag operation to blame Russia and Novorussian army to shot it down. we still don't know, what is actually happening there, but in area, where is intensive air battle between Ukrainian AF and Novorussian AD, there is not a place for civil planes.