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    Post  As Sa'iqa on Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:25 pm

    Maybe ammo was lying on the ground or in the vehicles?
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    Post  Strizh on Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:43 pm

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    Post  medo on Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:46 pm

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    Someone already try to count trucks from a picture and count more than 20. And still most probably not whole scene on the photo.
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    Post  Strizh on Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:42 pm

    They need to close the kettle and force the Ukrainian troops to surrender. Or to retreat to Russia and leave their equipment there.
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    Post  Strizh on Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:00 pm

    Heavy fighting (probably from the airport assault)
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=68b_1405086913
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    Post  Firebird on Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:33 pm

    medo wrote:The Situation in the Ukraine. #6 - Page 7 Origin10

    Someone already try to count trucks from a picture and count more than 20. And still most probably not whole scene on the photo.

    Hope that pic definitely is the junta copping it. And its completely accurate.
    Maybe its a case of what happens when you slap a sleeping bear...

    To Lvov with (cough) love...
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    Post  Strizh on Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:58 pm

    From Grad with Love to Lvov
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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:51 pm

    [quote="Strizh"]Now they need to close the kettle and force the Ukr troops to surrender this would be a massive blow for them. I've seen photos from destroyed tanks how is this even possible from a Grad volley?

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    No way a grad volley can do such damage ,the turret of the tank was even blowed up crazy. Shocked  This looks like a serious blow to Ukraine army with heavy weapons.. i don't think mortars can do that , or regular artillery. Perhaps the UKr army was caught with Kornets from 5km distance and the munition exploded of the tanks? however trucks also have no tires ,so looks more they were hit by heavy thermobaric bombs.. or maybe the Rebels just finally got a real external help.. like Godzilla?  Wink 


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    But more seriously , looks as if the camp was bombed with 500lb bombs air raid. or as if the rebels had Thermobaric TOS-1 heavy artillery.
    Whatever it was ,it very lethal and i dont think the UKR army will relax now in the open in any camp. no way. Still however i believe ,unless more cities uprise and take arms to counter the NATO coup in their nation ,i don't think they have a chance. Because even in the case all Ukraine soldiers wiped ,kiev will have unlimited supply of mercenaries from NATO either real soldiers or criminals from jails.
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    Post  etaepsilonk on Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:18 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Strizh wrote:Now they need to close the kettle and force the Ukr troops to surrender this would be a massive blow for them. I've seen photos from destroyed tanks how is this even possible from a Grad volley?

    No way a grad volley can do such damage ,the turret of the tank was even blowed up crazy. Shocked  This looks like a serious blow to Ukraine army with heavy weapons.. i don't think mortars can do that , or regular artillery. Perhaps the UKr army was caught with Kornets from 5km distance and the munition exploded of the tanks? however trucks also have no tires ,so looks more they were hit by heavy thermobaric bombs.. or maybe the Rebels just finally got a real external help.. like Godzilla?  Wink 


    It was "Jericho MLRS", no doubt: Wink
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBC1Qob27sM#t=60
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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:33 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:

    It was "Jericho MLRS", no doubt:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBC1Qob27sM#t=60

    Or this ..  Wink 



    But only Russia ,Azerbaijan ,Kazakhstan have them.  Or it is as other told the mortars hit a ammunition depot and hell broke..
    had to be extremely lucky for them. Whatever it was , i really hope to see more rebellions in other cities ,because thats the only thing that
    can stop the war and end the bloodshed, That the kiev junta understand that if they dont negotiate they will lose the control of all Ukraine and that it will split more earlier than expected.


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    Post  etaepsilonk on Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:36 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    etaepsilonk wrote:

    It was "Jericho MLRS", no doubt:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBC1Qob27sM#t=60

    Or this ..  Wink 

    But only Russia ,Azerbaijan ,Kazakhstan have them.  Or it is as older told the mortars hit a ammunition depot and hell broke..
    had to be extremely lucky for them.

    Nah, it's clearly not powerful enough.
    Must've been this:  Wink 

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    If you get the idea where I am heading, there's absolutely no need for "wunderwaffes" to be able to destroy tanks. Simple cluster bomblet is entirely sufficient for that.
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:42 pm

    Ohh hell no, don't start again with Star Wars!
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    Post  etaepsilonk on Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:49 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Ohh hell no, don't start again with Star Wars!

    Don't worry, I'm not into much trolling today  Laughing

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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:09 pm

    Hell of an explosion, a bridge was blown up in Donezk.

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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:42 pm



    Rebels will have its own Airforce now ,in near future..  Smile 

    http://en.ria.ru/world/20140711/190887584/Luhansk-Defense-Forces-Acquire-Aviation--Republics-Leader.html

    with one capture SU-25.. albeit is not much... it can certainly be useful if used for hit and run tactics and flying low. Bombing artillery positions quick and run. or Allow Rebels to push to any zone and take it . Albeit is easier to say than to do ,because so far the ukraine
    army had no luck with airforce. I think it will be better if they use the planes at night.
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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:43 pm

    medo wrote:There is no T-72 on the pictures, it's T-64 (look on wheels) tank. However there are at least 1 tanks and 3 BTRs destroyed and many trucks (maybe Grads between them). As I know Novorussian forces doesn't have a whole battery of Grads, but single one wouldn't do such destruction. I think they must hit a supply of ammo for whole brigade, which could make such devastation. Also Ukrainians parked whole brigade together in the open land, so they practically eliminate whole brigade.

    You mean a battallion, brigades definately don't park all in one place.

    And yeah, it looks like they scored a massive hit on an entire battalion, at least 1/3rd of its manpower is dead or wounded, along with a good amount of its vehicle park.
    Seems like elements of different battallions were mixed together though. Can't imagine finding Grad launchers and T-64s together in one battalion although maybe I'm wrong.
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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:46 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:The anti-Kiev forces are rapidly growing in strength. New weapons have recently appeared in their hands in ever increasing quantities. If they can get a large number of volunteers to quickly join their ranks, they should be able to hold off the expected Ukrainian assault on Donetsk and Lugansk. After a few weeks of failed UKrainian attempts, Poroshenko will have to come to the table and the conflict will most likely turn into a frozen one like Transdniestria and Karabagh. That is a possible outcome of this tragic situation.

    Anyways,
    I made a list of the heavy weapons and vehicles in possession of the rebels. I gathered the information from photos and video clips posted in various places.

    - There are at least 4 NONA self-propelled mortar artillery: 2 with Strelkov's Slavyansk forces that were brought to Donetsk and 2 more with the Vostok    battalion in Donetsk. Strelkov's ones have the "To Kiev" words stenciled on them, the Vostok ones don't have that.
    - T-64 tanks (unknown numbers) in various units both in Donetsk and Lugansk
    - 1 T54 tank and possibly a few WWII era tanks are being refurbished for action
    - BMP2 vehicles in unknown numbers in all units
    - Various BTR 60/70/80 vehicles in many units
    - Strelkov has one or 2 surviving BMD2, I have seen a few more with other units in Donetsk
    - 1 BM-21 Grad launcher was seen in a video clip in Lugansk
    - 1 D-30 howitzer was captured from the Ukrainian army
    - A number of Sani 120mm mortars
    - 1 Strela-10 (Sa-13) mobile SAM launcher in Donetsk
    - Various KAMAZ and Ural Trucks, some have been armoured
    - Many UAZ and other Jeeps and pickups.
    - Newly seen in Donetsk was a UAZ Patriot 4x4 pickup truck

    Other weapons include:

    - SPG-9 recoilless guns
    - Fagot, Konkurs and Metis ATGMs
    - PTRS 14.5mm anti tank rifle from WWII
    - AGS-17 grenade launchers
    - RPG-7/18/22/26
    - Utes .50 caliber machine guns
    - IGLA MANPADS

    Nice work Armenian, my vote

    In terms of vehicles, they might still have those 2 BREM-looking vehicles that they took from that factory on the outskirts of Kramatorsk 2 months ago.

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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:25 pm

    a little of topic.. but Sorry but i couldn't resist..  Surprised 

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    Nothing could be more true..  the photo actually can explain Ukraine conflict too... Ukr army soldiers killed and banki moon
    on UN today strongly comdemning the "illegal attack" yet, the bastard says nothing about the attack of the kiev junta national guard on civilians women and children ,not a single condemnation against them in months of the criminal war.. All the bastard have said is that "urge both sides" to protect civilians lives.  This is why all the Neocons puppets needs to be fired and a new UN organization made OUTSIDE US territories . And its members 100% made of neutral people..

    The pic come from here
    Shows how american media ABC ,misleading people ,swaping palestinians victims of the bombing for israelis.  I bet you can't report
    something like this in MP.net without being banned.  Laughing


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    Post  Regular on Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:28 pm

    Vann7, if Russia would retaliate same way as Israel does I wouldn't complain.
    By the way, that nasty barrage... Where are the craters left by GRAD? Idk, looks like airburst cluster to me. Look how localised the fire and the damage. Tents are not even ripped apart. Need to see pictures.
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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:38 pm

    Regular wrote:Vann7, if Russia would retaliate same way as Israel does I wouldn't complain.
    By the way, that nasty barrage... Where are the craters left by GRAD? Idk, looks like airburst cluster to me. Look how localised the fire and the damage. Tents are not even ripped apart. Need to see pictures.

    Just to be clear.. i dont support the bombing of civilians indiscriminately regardless if they are jews ,palestinians ,chechens or russians.
    But is sickening how NATO media double standars..  Is a war crime if Gadaffi fight armed jihadist rebels  but if perfectly legal if Poroshenko
    bomb Rebels and civilians in eastern ukraine. Assad was accused of war crimes for fighting Alqaeda ,and he allowed civilians to leave and supported humanitarian corridors but nothing in Ukraine ,kiev is a allowed by the so called international community to assasinate civilians
    indiscriminately bomb their cities. The PSaki women even said openly how is legal to bomb civilians in eastern ukraine..  No

    On a different note.. here a report of womens that joined independence forces in eastern ukraine.
    The first women in video have 19 years old ,and worked on a store before being forced to take arms.

    http://actualidad.rt.com/sociedad/view/133686-ucrania-milicianos-mujeres-kiev-armas

    When there is lack of mens in Ukraine to help protect civilians ,womens are forced to replace them and take arms.. So sad.
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    Post  Zivo on Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:16 am

    You complain that not enough people are rising up, and when women pick up arms to defend their homes, it's sad?

    Soldiers are soldiers, it doesn't matter if they have a penis or vagina, what matters is if they can hold a rifle or operate an ATGM.
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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:30 am

    Zivo wrote:You complain that not enough people are rising up, and when women pick up arms to defend their homes, it's sad?

    .

    Shows what kind of society is Ukrainians that tolerate the ethnic cleasing of civilians by a Government who came into power thanks to a coup. IF in any nation 19 year old girls , that is real girls  with zero experience in combat needs to take a rifle to defend their family lives and future of their territory, this shows there is something really wrong in that society. This war only happens because of the TOTAL passiveness
    of all Ukrainians that are neutral or pro Russia. HAd there been uprising of hundred of thousands of all cities ,specially that majority are friendly to RUssia ,it will have been impossible then for kiev to continue the war and forced them to negotiate. but the They prefer to go to their jobs and earn a misery as is the case with half a million miners than live in eastern ukraine,than to take arms and fight for a better future.  They not even attended in peaceful rallies when Yalunovych was in power .or helped their government to take control of the capital. When a society is not organized ,they are doomed to be taken by foreign powers. Probably the lack of real leaders is what have doomed ukraine , no one to motivate them to do anything for their nation... except for Victoria Nuland $5billions they received.
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    Post  Zivo on Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:47 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Zivo wrote:You complain that not enough people are rising up, and when women pick up arms to defend their homes, it's sad?

    .

    Shows what kind of society is Ukrainians that tolerate the ethnic cleasing of civilians by a Government who came into power thanks to a coup. IF in any nation 19 year old girls , that is real girls  with zero experience in combat needs to take a rifle to defend their family lives and future of their territory, this shows there is something really wrong in that society. This war only happens because of the TOTAL passiveness
    of all Ukrainians that are neutral or pro Russia. HAd there been uprising of hundred of thousands of all cities ,specially that majority are friendly to RUssia ,it will have been impossible then for kiev to continue the war and forced them to negotiate. but the They prefer to go to their jobs and earn a misery as is the case with half a million miners than live in eastern ukraine,than to take arms and fight for a better future.  They not even attended in peaceful rallies when Yalunovych was in power .or helped their government to take control of the capital. When a society is not organized ,they are doomed to be taken by foreign powers.  Probably the lack of real leaders is what have doomed ukraine , no one to motivate them to do anything for their nation... except for Victoria Nuland $5billions they received.

    There is a saying "Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't know". Ukrainians have been living in a shithole for over two decades now, and many simply prefer to keep it that way because it's what they understand. Why should they rise up anyways? The EU is offering bread and circuses.

    What is Russia offering, cheap gas? It's summer, they don't need gas now, it's warm outside.  Rolling Eyes 

    People are stupid, they're short sighted and easy to manipulate and in Ukraine have been manipulated for 20 years. Ukrainians see the separatist regions being bombed and think, well at least that's not me. I watched hurricane Katrina completely obliterate New Orleans and I thought "The dumbasses shouldn't have built their houses below sea level in hurricane territory." I guess they liked the nice weather. Katrina didn't effect me anyways, why should I give a damn? The "ATO" bombing only effects a few "pro-Russian" Ukrainian cities, why should other Ukrainians care?

    If a young women in eastern Ukraine is willing to fight for what she believes in,  good. She has more balls than 99% of everyone else out there. Just be glad there's one person striving to build herself a country she can call home. Maybe these women will inspire others to do the same.
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    Post  arpakola on Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:45 pm

    Zivo wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Zivo wrote:You complain that not enough people are rising up, and when women pick up arms to defend their homes, it's sad?

    .

    Shows what kind of society is Ukrainians that tolerate the ethnic cleasing of civilians by a Government who came into power thanks to a coup. IF in any nation 19 year old girls , that is real girls  with zero experience in combat needs to take a rifle to defend their family lives and future of their territory, this shows there is something really wrong in that society. This war only happens because of the TOTAL passiveness
    of all Ukrainians that are neutral or pro Russia. HAd there been uprising of hundred of thousands of all cities ,specially that majority are friendly to RUssia ,it will have been impossible then for kiev to continue the war and forced them to negotiate. but the They prefer to go to their jobs and earn a misery as is the case with half a million miners than live in eastern ukraine,than to take arms and fight for a better future.  They not even attended in peaceful rallies when Yalunovych was in power .or helped their government to take control of the capital. When a society is not organized ,they are doomed to be taken by foreign powers.  Probably the lack of real leaders is what have doomed ukraine , no one to motivate them to do anything for their nation... except for Victoria Nuland $5billions they received.

    There is a saying "Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't know". Ukrainians have been living in a shithole for over two decades now, and many simply prefer to keep it that way because it's what they understand. Why should they rise up anyways? The EU is offering bread and circuses.

    What is Russia offering, cheap gas? It's summer, they don't need gas now, it's warm outside.  Rolling Eyes 

    People are stupid, they're short sighted and easy to manipulate and in Ukraine have been manipulated for 20 years. Ukrainians see the separatist regions being bombed and think, well at least that's not me. I watched hurricane Katrina completely obliterate New Orleans and I thought "The dumbasses shouldn't have built their houses below sea level in hurricane territory." I guess they liked the nice weather. Katrina didn't effect me anyways, why should I give a damn? The "ATO" bombing only effects a few "pro-Russian" Ukrainian cities, why should other Ukrainians care?

    If a young women in eastern Ukraine is willing to fight for what she believes in,  good. She has more balls than 99% of everyone else out there. Just be glad there's one person striving to build herself a country she can call home. Maybe these women will inspire others to do the same.

    circuses may be yes.. but IMF does not offer bread..
    UHR / EU ratio almost 16 now..
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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:16 am

    Looks like the Rebels luck have improved lately.. They shot down 1 su-25 AND 1 mi-24 on saturday.. and on friday another attack
    plane.. probably another Su-25.

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_13/Donetsk-militia-brings-down-Ukraines-Mi-24-helicopter-3028/

    This is not counting the disaster of the ukraine army on days ago ,that hundreds kiev forces ended wounded or killed.. There is also
    new reports of 300 kiev forces deserting at the lugansk airport after being shelled by the Independence forces.

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_07_12/300-Ukrainian-law-enforces-deserted-after-shelling-of-Donetsk-airport-DPR-6304/

    and that about 600 to 700 kiev national guards still remain in the place. If Rebels take the airport ,for sure there should be many weapons captured to supply 1,000 soldiers. It appears that the Rebels have lots of more weapons than soldiers to use those.. and that their mood is still strong. Still i think is too early to say anything ,but if the many loses of planes by Ukraine airforce is any indication , it appears
    the kiev chain of command is really desperate to end the war very fast at any cost.

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