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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Regular on Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:36 am

    Vann7 wrote:Check this Polish mercenary thugs joined the Ukraine Army to fight anti-kiev forces..



    So much for Anti-kiev forces being foreigners ..i bet poroshenko says nothing about hundreds
    of Americans and Polish and NATO mercenaries supporting them.. in their criminal war in the eastern Ukraine.

    https://twitter.com/voice_of_true/status/472013459224530945/photo/1


    Anyone can now show that photo to the  Rusophobics in others forums , that have been saying only foreigners fight
    in the separatist forces.
    they are not fighting for Kiev. AFAIK this guy is Polish fighting for rebels

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:27 am

    Regular wrote:
    they are not fighting for Kiev. AFAIK this guy is Polish fighting for rebels

    Oh then was confused by the information near that picture.. that discuss about Polish mercenaries
    that enters with the CIA and Right Sector in an Airport in Ukraine with chemical weapons..

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/05/28/what-are-polish-death-squads-fighting-for-in-ukraine.html


    Apparently it looks the Terrorist States of North America its secrets service is planning a chemical attack on civilians
    Syria like..will not be surprised not a little bit ,if we hear of a massive chemical attack and later is blamed on chechens.
    and is also told that the reason for the indiscriminate bombing on civilians towns in Slaviansk is because the civilians
    in those cities will need to be evacuated  because the American Shell Oil Company is planning to drill in those zones for shale gas
    extraction. So many hundreds families will lose their homes in Slaviansk  ,for the shale gas extraction.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:46 am

    Regular wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:Check this Polish mercenary thugs joined the Ukraine Army to fight anti-kiev forces..



    So much for Anti-kiev forces being foreigners ..i bet poroshenko says nothing about hundreds
    of Americans and Polish and NATO mercenaries supporting them.. in their criminal war in the eastern Ukraine.

    https://twitter.com/voice_of_true/status/472013459224530945/photo/1


    Anyone can now show that photo to the  Rusophobics in others forums , that have been saying only foreigners fight
    in the separatist forces.
    they are not fighting for Kiev. AFAIK this guy is Polish fighting for rebels

    Any confirmation on that? Just quotes and link or something please.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Regular on Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:05 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:Check this Polish mercenary thugs joined the Ukraine Army to fight anti-kiev forces..



    So much for Anti-kiev forces being foreigners ..i bet poroshenko says nothing about hundreds
    of Americans and Polish and NATO mercenaries supporting them.. in their criminal war in the eastern Ukraine.

    https://twitter.com/voice_of_true/status/472013459224530945/photo/1


    Anyone can now show that photo to the  Rusophobics in others forums , that have been saying only foreigners fight
    in the separatist forces.
    they are not fighting for Kiev. AFAIK this guy is Polish fighting for rebels

    Any confirmation on that?  Just quotes and link or something please.
    https://vk.com/wall-33006328_986771 only this

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:56 am



    The neonazi bastards in Mariupol.. they wear all black uniforms and they swear they are the biggest of the shit.



    Will love to see those bastards CIA paid idiots with a shot in the head each one of them . Those are the terrorist
    who lead the conflict that today Ukraine experience.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:08 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    macedonian wrote:Aaaaand now, for something completely different:



    /Comic relief

     Laughing  Laughing  Laughing 

    Women weights, i did not expect anything else.

    ...He's not used to getting a pounding on his arm muscles, usually he dedicates that for his throat and colon muscles...




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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  fragmachine on Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:21 am

    There is info that in last hours three Ukr bases were seized by DPR Army.
    http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-107-separatists-take-national-guard-barracks-in-lugansk/#2986

    Also, that among three downed helicopters yesterday there were two Su-25 shot down.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Asf on Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:31 am

    MANPADs rules

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  collegeboy16 on Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:50 am

    Asf wrote:MANPADs rules
    thats what you get for strafing urban areas...

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Firebird on Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:24 am

    RT reporting that 25 may be dead in a hospital in Donbass.

    http://rt.com/news/163748-hospital-dead-army-ukraine/

    Doubtless the next line of bullshit will be "ahhh Poroshenko will be in shortly".

    However I really think Putin's position is now under threat. Maybe that was America's plan all along.
    Force Russia away from Europe, into the hands of China. Then, suspecting Putin didn't want to invade the Ukr, see that his position becomes weakened at home.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:50 am


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:14 am

    Firebird wrote:
    Force Russia away from Europe, into the hands of China. Then, suspecting  Putin didn't want to invade the Ukr, see that his position becomes weakened at home.


    Just for the record ,Putin position we can't really know or judge unless we know what happens behind the scenes.. what he is doing..
    If for example Russian Army already sent 3,000 undercover special forces armed to the teeth with hundreds of manpads and kunkurs anti tank missiles and each soldier armed with RPGs with thermobaric warhead. IF Putin already invaded Ukraine and his small force is doing the job of securing Donetsk and lugansk then i see no problem. The main goal of the Losers at the white house have been always the Russian economy.. how to make them to enter in recession and scare all investors and to totally halt any trade between Europe and Russia.

    This is why i believe Russia needs to seek total EU independence ,and look to EuroAsia instead.. for starting end all trade relation and diplomatic relations with USA ,End all treaties with the US ,Bypass simply Ignore any US sanctions on Iranian North Korean and anyone
    and sell everything to anyone.. whenever do not conflict with other allies like INdia or China. Between China and India energy trade Russia can replace their dependence on the EU.

    And give NATO a real reason to be worried..
    As you may already know.. US presidents looks like broken record.. They are always talking about security here and security there..
    Only used as justification to encircle Russia and isolate them.. then why not make their life more insecure and give them a real reason to be worried?. sell China with the know How's to make any nuclear weapon they have including ICBM's and cruise missiles.

    Deploy Nuclear weapons in Space ,have a couple of dozens nuclear warheads orbiting earth inside satellites that can activate an any time and launch anywhere. Give nuclear weapons to Algeria ,Egypt , Syria and IRAN ,but also Venezuela and Nicaragua with intercontinental ballistic Missiles and cruise missiles capable to reach America and Europe. Make a deal pact with them that if ever NATO use a nuke against anyone of them ,they will retaliate to USA with nukes and to any nation in Europe responsible for the attack. oh yes.. give a dozen of nuclear cruise missiles to Hezbolah too.  That will make Israel life miserable and they in turn will make miserable the life of US for worsening their security.  As a bonus supply weapons to Lybia Qadaffi green resistance to overthrow anyone in power placed by NATO ,including sending special forces to fight with the green resistance.. and once they take control of libya again ,place Qadaffi Son as leader
    of Libya ,fully arm their army with combat jets and tanks and S-300s and give them nukes too. in Short it could be summarized To fully arm and modernize the armies which NATO have been making their life miserable and provide them nukes.. that include Serbia..  Surprised   


    This is a new Russia policy that will make Sure that NATO will not feel Safe at all ,and no longer will be able to conduct any war anywhere in the world without risking being nuked.  This will force US and NATO to increase significantly its defense spending by
    a thousand percent.. and will at the same time significantly damage their investment in the needs of their own people ,creating a lot of civil unrest and revolutions in their own nations..  Like Marine Le Pen told.. the best way to fix the EU its to implode it. So no longer exist..this will also collapse NATO alliance and no longer US could use other nations to its global utopian planned hegemony.


    And as soon Russia can balance its economy without dependence of Europe halt any trade with the EU ,or at least stop any trade with the countries leading the sanctions to Russia ,like US,Germany ,France ,Poland and baltic States ,but also Ukraine ,at least the nations supporting sanctions to Russia. When Germany lose 400,000 jobs because no longer can sell a single BMW in EuroAsia or any medical equipment is when the Russian maidan will start in berlin , take to the streets and overthrow their corrupt leaders ,that place in first place their relation with US than the needs of the German people.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  fragmachine on Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:17 am

    TheArmenian wrote:

    That's one is great Very Happy I burst laughts when first seen it  Very Happy

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  fragmachine on Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:33 pm

    Ukrainazis National Guard assaults hospital in Slavyansk, executes more than 25 wounded patients

    http://inagist.com/all/474474429901049856/



    Ukrainian armed forces have allegedly killed more than 25 wounded people in a hospital in Krasny Liman, on the outskirts of Slavyansk, as the National Guard seized the town from the local militia following heavy shelling.

    "According to preliminary information, more than 25 people have been killed,"Denis Pushilin, Chairman of the Supreme Council of the People's Republic of Donetsk was quoted by Itar-Tass.

    While there are no official figures yet, Pushilin fears the body count in Tuesday's assault on the hospital will eventually rise. "We fear that there may be more victims," Pushilin said, adding that the figures announced by Kiev and reported by locals "differ greatly."

    The number of injured is still unknown as well. During an assault on the town people inside the hospital tried to flee in panic and hide in the basement. Medical staff scrambled to get the wounded, mostly elderly out, as mortar shelling on the medical facility continued.


    BTW I wonder what's the total number of ATO and DPR forces. Maybe DPR could move most of it's forces at night and engage Karachun from the flank, taking Ukr positions with heavy artillery?


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:43 pm



    Lots of panicky posts yesterday,but looks like the rebels gave them a bloody nose.

    Strelkov statement on the situation in his sector....

     Arrow http://lifenews.ru/news/134474

    quick summary

    He says they've downed 3 helicopters (1 x Mi-8 + 2 x Mi-24's). One of them is destroyed, 2 are damaged but also made emergency landings. He also claims a hit on a Su-25.

    The hunta acknowledges 2 damaged helicopters

     Arrow http://www.rbc.ua/rus/news/accidents/terroristy-v-boyah-bliz-slavyanska-povredili-2-vertoleta-04062014131800

    Strelkov says they are digging deep tunnels that cannot be destroyed by even the heaviest artillery....North Korea style.

    Morale is high and he expects to repel all attacks. However, the water supply to Slavyansk is cut....I also saw a report about the same in Krasnij Liman.

    Also, the hunta is rushing the 24th Mech. Brigade from Lvov east. Apparently, it's the best unit that is left of the Ukr. regular Army


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  macedonian on Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:57 pm

    Reports of Tanks deployed in Slavyansk...can't tell if ANYTHING is accurate anymore.
    There's this video that is supposedly filmed in Krasniy Liman this morning:



    Which would imply that KL is under Kiev control now.
    As I said, cannot take any report for granted...too much propaganda going on...

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  macedonian on Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:08 pm

    Лидер общественной инициативы "Третья Украинская республика" экс-министр МВД Украины Юрий Луценко заявляет, что за прошедшую ночь через украинско-российскую границу в Луганской области переместились 15 грузовых автомобилей с членами незаконных вооруженных формирований.

    Ukrainians are claiming that during last night, 15 Kamaz trucks passed into Ukraine from Russia carrying volunteers.
    Well, I would REALLY like this to be true, but at this point, I'm treating every info from Ukraine with skepticism...pics or it didn't happen, from now on.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:19 pm

    macedonian wrote:
    There's this video that is supposedly filmed in Krasniy Liman this morning:



    Which would imply that KL is under Kiev control now.
    As I said, cannot take any report for granted...too much propaganda going on...

    That's from yesterday.

    They entered the southern part of the town but withdrew as soon as it got dark....But yes, KL and Kramatorsk seem to be the weakest points of the rebels.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  arpakola on Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:09 pm

    Ukraine Liveblog Day 108: Is Ukraine Losing Control of the Lugansk Borderlands?
    http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-108-is-ukraine-losing-control-of-the-lugansk-borderlands/

    Reports Suggest Government Control of Lugansk Border is Failing
    10:09 (GMT)

    Following yesterday's capture of two State Border Guard Service (SBGS) bases and one National Guard barracks in the Lugansk region, there are fears that the Ukrainian government, while appearing to make gains in their operations in the Donetsk region, are losing control of its north-eastern neighbour. One of the captured SBGS bases was, along with the National Guard base, in the city of Lugansk, the other SBGS base was in the town of Sverdlovsk, near to the Russian border.

    Reporting on the capture, without combat, of the Sverdlovsk base by separatist fighters, journalist Roman Bochkala noted that there were reports from locals that large numbers of trucks and even armoured personnel carriers had crossed over the border beforehand. The government's Anti-Terrorism Operation forces have not been committed, beyond limited air support, to relieving security forces under attack in thee Lugansk region.

    Today, UNIAN reports that Yuriy Lutsenko, a former interior minister of Ukraine and the leader of the Third Ukrainian Republic party, has written on his Facebook page that 15 trucks carrying separatist fighters crossed from Russia into Ukraine overnight:


    "Yesterday, border guards abandoned a frontier post covering 130km of the state border in the Lugansk region", he wrote.

    "Already, during the night, 15 Kamaz trucks carrying terrorists have entered this gap", said the former minister.

    "Today, they will come to the aid of the militant groups in the Donetsk region, against whom the ATO is being conducted", noted Lutsenko.
    The state of the border controls was demonstrated by the following announcement from the Lugansk Regional Chamber of Commerce, pointing out that some border posts had had to close to due a lack of enough guards:

    The Lugansk Regional Chamber of Commerce informs importers and exporters that, as of today, the Dolzhansky and Krasny Partizan border checkpoints are closed due to the effective absence of border guards at them, making it impossible to perform customs checks at the checkpoints. Be advised that the Izvarino and Krasnaya Talovka border checkpoints are operating as normal, as well as all of the checkpoints in the north of the Lugansk region.

    Meanwhile, Dmytro Tymchuk of Information Resistance reported, on his Facebook page, that there had been two attacks on security checkpoints in the north of the Lugansk region:

    Two Ukrainian security checkpoints in the north of the Lugansk region have been attacked in recent hours. Servicement returned fire, they have suffered no losses.

    https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=208012989756362787226.0004f69a6c3b7187d2629&hl=en&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=48.864715,33.508301&spn=6.939452,14.0625&z=6&source=embed&dg=feature

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:18 pm



    Anyone knows how effective are the steel cages around some APCs?
    I saw the pictures but there is no clear indication if they effective or not..

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  arpakola on Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:28 pm

    DNR field commanders, Igor Bezler, ordered an execution of two foreign combatants


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Regular on Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:37 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    Anyone knows how effective are the steel cages around some APCs?
    I saw the pictures but there is no clear indication if they effective or not..
    quite effective against older RPG warheads. Not effective against hmg and even mg fire. But when it comes to tandem charges, it doesn't make a difference. BTR3/4 is simply too soft.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:37 pm

    arpakola wrote:DNR field commanders, Igor Bezler, ordered an execution of two  foreign combatants


    Exactly how they should do with all foreigners working for Fascist junta!

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  fragmachine on Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:42 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    arpakola wrote:DNR field commanders, Igor Bezler, ordered an execution of two  foreign combatants


    Exactly how they should do with all foreigners working for Fascist junta!

    They should catch as much fashists as possible and burn them in one building Twisted Evil 

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  macedonian on Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:46 pm

    Let's not get carried away here, Russians should keep the high moral ground and not execute prisoners.
    Besides, they're great bargaining chips.

    But the video is obviously fake anyway.

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