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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  fragmachine on Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:59 pm

    Macedonian you're right. It is better to beat the enemy in the field rather than execute them. It might well be that this video is just provocation. But I'm sure if fascists RS scum would be imprisoned by DPR army they wouldn't be given 'cookies' from them - that's for sure  Smile 

    I wonder if there is a possibility for DPR to struck at night on Karachun mountain and all those artillery holding grounds? AFAIK only vehicles with night combat capability in Ukr forces are BTRs-4, whose would be sensitive at night anyway?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  arpakola on Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:01 pm


    cheaf Rambo on the move...

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:06 pm

    macedonian wrote:Let's not get carried away here, Russians should keep the high moral ground and not execute prisoners.
    Besides, they're great bargaining chips.

    You are wrong, this is not just a regular army fighting another army, this is a genocide backed by western terrorist scum operating against russians on ukraine soil.

    There is a saying Pardon one offense and you encourage many more. They have to teach them a lesson and the only lesson they understand is death, Russia should do the same on bigger scale teach America a lesson not to kill russians, they should leave INF treaty right now and deploy immidiatley nuclear weapons in Space and Central/South America to give US a taste of its own medicine to feel the same feeling getting surrounded!

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:14 pm

    Filmed executions whether they are terrorist or not or foreigners is not good .. it creates a negative image
    of the army who does it..  All foreigners executed have to be done without any recording or filming.. Because
    the Fraudulent so called human rights watch groups will loudly claim .. WAR CRIMES!!!  .. and will use it as propaganda
    To demonize the independence forces. and will start a process at UN for war crimes against the leaders of the DOnetsk and Lugansk
    Republic. So will be nice if lets say a world war 3 is inevitable and a limited war happens between US and Russia ,that Russia
    save one Foab bomb and dropped it at the UN human Rights council building





    and wipe the humanitarian terrorist organization from the face of earth forever. Those are the BIGGEST HYPOCRITES on earth
    you can ever find ,impostors who fabricate stories with the sole purpose of make legit NATO wars and already have the blood of
    hundreds of thousans civilians in their hands with their lies. That scum organization believe they are above religions and the world ethical authority about how Nations should be ruled and civilians rights ,and which nations should be declared no fly zones or not.. Those bastards salaries comes from American tax dollars and private donations from the Western elite ,that wants to run a global hegemony.  The western elite ,there is no doubt they are very well organized ,beyond belief ,their organization level can only be compared with their evilness . They have like an entire Manual of how to overthrow governments and manipulate public opinions and economy.They have almost every detail covered to make it easier to ..

    1)Provoke Violence Unrest in Countries thought NGOs ,
    2)then Human rights groups Fabricate fraudulent reports of warcrimes ,to demonize a leader and justify
      an "humanitarian" Nato bombing
    3)And when the nation is being bombed at the same time they send humanitarian spies ,under the pretext of food using the same so called "humanitarian Organizations".
    4)Then they have Doctors without borders.. which sole mission is to turn Hospitals into safe zones for the terrorist to evade the war.
    5)And now they using OSCE that are nothing more than Unarmed Proffesional Paramilitary groups that becomes the eyes of NATO behind the lines, and provide logistical and intelligence how to make more efficient their war. They are weapons and could disarm anyone if need,and could fight behind enemy lines.

    The US empire,NATO and UNited Nations needs to collapse for the world to experience again peace ,and the world to become totally multipolar and Nations focus instead on developing the quality of life of people ,than is wars.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  macedonian on Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:26 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    macedonian wrote:Let's not get carried away here, Russians should keep the high moral ground and not execute prisoners.
    Besides, they're great bargaining chips.

    You are wrong, this is not just a regular army fighting another army, this is a genocide backed by western terrorist scum operating against russians on ukraine soil.
    Yes, I thought I made it quite clear with my 300+ posts on this subject that understand that. Still there are other factors to consider. One of them, as I've stated is claiming the high moral ground.

    Werewolf wrote:There is a saying Pardon one offense and you encourage many more. They have to teach them a lesson and the only lesson they understand is death, Russia should do the same on bigger scale teach America  a lesson not to kill russians, they should leave INF treaty right now and deploy immidiatley nuclear weapons in Space and Central/South America to give US a taste of its own medicine to feel the same feeling getting surrounded!
    Why do you think people here/on other forums/around the world are sympathetic to Russia's stance?! Why are those Austrians/Czechs/Americans/Indians/Syrians/Irish/Portuguese/Spaniards...etc taking selfies (I posted a few here) with the "SaveDonbasFromTheUkrainianArmy" hashtag?!
    Well why?

    BECAUSE SO FAR, RUSSIA IS ON THE SIDE OF JUSTICE. It's against an evil empire trying to control the whole world.
    If Russia starts acting the same, might as well sign its own death certificate. Just like (I believe) the US is doing at the moment.

    I think you've read my posts on how Russia should be proactive against its enemies, but THAT is NOT the way.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  arpakola on Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:31 pm

    Pro-Russians shoot in honor of Alexander Alexandrovich Gizai, a member of military-patriotic group 'Kaskad' who was killed on Monday during clashes with Ukrainian troops, during his funeral in Luhansk on Wednesday [AP]


    Militants collect weapons and ammunition after they seized a National Guard base in Lugansk, Ukraine, June 4, 2014. Heavy fighting broke out some previous days in the eastern Ukrainian city of Luhansk as NATO diplomats held talks in Brussels with Russia on the crisis. (EPA/VALENTINA SVISTUNOVA)

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:40 pm

    Quite frankly, it does not matter for the history in the West if Russia or Anti-Kiew protestors have committed any war crimes or not, we know that the Image of FSB due such russophobic BS like Tom Clancy and other invented horror fiction have manipulated people in the west to think that FSB/KGB was worse than Gestapo/SS or whatever while they only see CIA as a little bit suspiscious of wrong doing and criminality. The West has invented massmurder against Chechen civilians while it was Chechen terrorists who were genociding all non Chechnians in the region.

    Yes, they should not film such things, but they should definetely punish those warcriminals by death!

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  etaepsilonk on Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:56 pm

    arpakola wrote:DNR field commanders, Igor Bezler, ordered an execution of two  foreign combatants


    Fake as hell.

    That "Igor Bezler" is a well known provocateur.
    If anyone wonders, it's not the first time he's announcing "the execution of POWs". Had this been for real, he would have been put down weeks ago by rebels themselves.

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    fragmachine wrote:
    I wonder if there is a possibility for DPR to struck at night on Karachun mountain and all  those artillery holding grounds? AFAIK only vehicles with night combat capability in Ukr forces are BTRs-4, whose would be sensitive at night anyway?

    There were, allegedly, thermovisor systems used by soldiers on Karachun. So, not really.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:08 pm

    This is the way to counter the one world Neocons Empire..    Cool 

    NATO troops and bases not welcome in Slovakia and Czech Republic 

    http://rt.com/news/163784-slovakia-no-nato-troops/

    Some wise nations indeed..  and with courage too ..because a maidan revolution for sure is on the works for them too..
    For opposing the empire.. but as long the nation ,its people is well educated and informed ,any revolution is doomed to fail.
    This is why the Venezuela CIA Revolutions have failed many times do not progress. Because Chavez made sure to educate
    people about how the US create divisions between them ,in order to control their nation.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Regular on Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:16 pm

    That video.. Haha pizdec y provokaciya. Fake. Kiev wants to discredit rebels. Look how rebels treat borderguard pows and even armymen. Right sektor idiots are not excecuted too.
    If they were mercs rebels would rather jail them, interview them on camera, id them. It would cause a scandal. Rebels are not jihadis and are simple folk. It separates them from Kievs monkeys with guns. Only thing that mkes me worried is criminals pretdnding they are fighting for Novorosiya. They bring more harm than anything

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  arpakola on Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:17 pm

    children are leaving Slavensk:



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    westerm mass media .. !!
    Youtube cuts ANNA news account !!




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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  arpakola on Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:10 pm



    WII tank to defend the country again

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:13 pm

    arpakola wrote:

    WII tank to defend the country again

    That is a weird sound i must say.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  macedonian on Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:19 pm

    The battle in Semenovka, Slavyansk
    Славянск, 05.06.2014, бой на Семеновке



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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:56 pm

    Apparently The spokesperson for the US Department of State ..Jennifer Psaki Resigns..   Laughing 


    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_05/No-idea-where-did-Psaki-go-Churkin-5090/

    Is not easy to keep a straight happy face ,while justifying the actions of the US government in Ukraine.     Surprised


    One combat plane and 2 hellicopters shot down over Slavyanks.. in the past 24 hours.

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_05/Donetsk-militia-claims-to-have-shot-down-Ukrainian-armys-plane-2-helicopters-over-Slavyansk-7807/


    Is crazy why they so careless and desperate to fly over a zone with heavy anti aicraft defenses.
    Its looks as if they are under enormous pressure and need to get things done no matter the cost before Poroshenko becomes President.
    Not even the Syrian airforce have lost so many helicopters in so small time that is fighting 100,000 strong radicals rebels armed by NATO directly.


    About Annanews is working fine for me the youtube channel.. perhaps is banned if you live in Russia/Ukraine?

    https://www.youtube.com/user/newsanna



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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:02 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Apparently The spokesperson for the US Department of State ..Jennifer Psaki Resigns..   Laughing 


    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_05/No-idea-where-did-Psaki-go-Churkin-5090/

    Is not easy to keep a straight happy face ,while justifying the actions of the US government in Ukraine.  Mad   Surprised

    I really have no idea what kind of psycho you have to be to straight lie into peoples faces about justifying mass murder of civilians and call innocent people terrorists and accuse the only one who tries to calm the situation down (Russia) of starting the entire coup d'etat.

    You must have fallen as a baby on your head to justify and back up such massmurder.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:25 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    macedonian wrote:Aaaaand now, for something completely different:



    /Comic relief

     Laughing  Laughing  Laughing 

    Women weights, i did not expect anything else.

    ...He's not used to getting a pounding on his arm muscles, usually he dedicates that for his throat and colon muscles...





    ...LOL I got a down vote for this post, I probably offended an Obama voter/fan around here lol!

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  macedonian on Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:29 pm

    Apparently there's a fight going on at the moment at Marinovka Border Post with Russia.
    UKR are using Flankers to suppress the seps.

    Seps need to get much more hardware! And pronto!

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    Edit to add:

    I wish they 'found' a S-300 lying around in some of the UKR bases they've captured...that would really turn this situation.
    As things stand, they can't fight against the airpower that UKRs have with WWII weapons (Strelkov's words, about the WWII weapons, not mine).

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:52 pm

    Im surprised weare not seeing more Strela 2 manpads. Those should be more common to find, no?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:55 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:Apparently The spokesperson for the US Department of State ..Jennifer Psaki Resigns..   Laughing 


    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_05/No-idea-where-did-Psaki-go-Churkin-5090/

    Is not easy to keep a straight happy face ,while justifying the actions of the US government in Ukraine.  Mad   Surprised

    I really have no idea what kind of psycho you have to be to straight lie into peoples faces about justifying mass murder of civilians and call innocent people terrorists and accuse the only one who tries to calm the situation down (Russia) of starting the entire coup d'etat.

    You must have fallen as a baby on your head to justify and back up such massmurder.
    Ummm....John Kerry, John McCain, maybe Obama although not sure.  Wink


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  arpakola on Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:56 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Im surprised weare not seeing more Strela 2 manpads. Those should be more common to find, no?

    Im surprised with the silence of Putin.
    Unless he has a good plan in his mind, he is going to loose a lot.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:01 pm

    arpakola wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Im surprised weare not seeing more Strela 2 manpads. Those should be more common to find, no?

    Im surprised with the silence of Putin.
    Unless he has a good plan in his mind, he is going to loose a lot.

    I am extremely dissapointed and he loses all my good views on him. I think he shouls step down. But I, a Ukrainian decendant, is very emotional about this and I try to stay out of it.

    I agree with my father 100% about this (he served the US airforce in 80's), that this is US meddling and any peice of land they do get from Ukraine, is better than before, and a big loss to Russia. Putin staying in the shadows over this is him allowing Russia to be cornered and lose allies/friends.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Firebird on Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:26 pm

    macedonian wrote:Apparently there's a fight going on at the moment at Marinovka Border Post with Russia.
    UKR are using Flankers to suppress the seps.

    Seps need to get much more hardware! And pronto!

    ---------------
    Edit to add:

    I wish they 'found' a S-300 lying around in some of the UKR bases they've captured...that would really turn this situation.
    As things stand, they can't fight against the airpower that UKRs have with WWII weapons (Strelkov's words, about the WWII weapons, not mine).

    Surely this is a good time for Russia to claim "airspace incursion" and blow these Nazi pricks out of the sky?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  etaepsilonk on Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:49 pm

    Then discussing about Russian support, please keep in mind that this is a classical low intensity conflict- insurgency.

    This doesn't exactly rely on high tech gear and big decisive battles, but rather many smaller scale skirmishes, with casualties mounting over large time-span.

    So in this case, for example, recoil-less rifles, mortars and HMGs would be more cost effective than, let's say, ATGMs.

    In addition, donetsk and lugansk regions are highly industrialized areas, so they can actually manufacture those technologically simple weapons themselves.

    And with 6 million population and proper institutional establishments, there is also a possibility to buy weapons with hard cash, and not only from russia.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

    Post  Regular on Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:02 pm

    I'm afraid that rebels will loose popular support from the locals. I think locals will rather surrender to UA troops than live under the shelling.  Neutral What do You think?

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