The Situation in the Ukraine. #1

Werewolf wrote:Neo-Nazi Regime threatening Russia with Nuclear rearming and use, if they don't get their way, said Mikhail Golokov, of fascistic Svoboda Party.

Yeah, good luck with that. These people are seriously retarded.
I'm sure we'll never see these democracy firsters on BBC or CNN though.

Werewolf wrote:I don't complain, that is good that this nazi idiot said this so openly, no need for further justifications they are now bird free to be slaughtered within from east ukraine and if they try russia will comprimize their "rearmament" and rightfully throw this scum out of any govertnment building and administration.

Yeah, but it'll be censored in western media and no one will ever hear about it.
That's how western media works.

Better to use Russian media like RT and internet and facebook to spread the message.

BBC/CNN these days are not the only source for news ....Thankfully !

Austin wrote:Better to use Russian media like RT and internet and facebook to spread the message.

BBC/CNN these days are not the only source for news ....Thankfully !

Agreed

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VoR wrote:
Russia, Crimea reach deal on Black Sea Fleet sites' joint guard

Russia and the Crimean authorities have reached an agreement on a joint guard of the Russian Black Sea Fleet's sites, the fleet press service said on Saturday.

Voice of Russia, TASS, Interfax

Daily Star wrote:10,000 protest in Ukraine's pro-Russia city of Donetsk

Daily Star

Pro-Russian protests seem to be spreading...funny that the ONLY source I could find is the Daily Star from Lebanon...Russian media is not covering this...strange


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BBC Russian covering it now:

BBC Russian

BBC wrote:Из Донецка, где проходит массовая акция протеста с российскими флагами, поступают сообщения о том, что демонстранты штурмуют здание местной администрации. Флаг Украины, развевавшийся над зданием, сорван.
8 минут назад

Mistery solved (by the DT of all sources):

DT wrote:Russia admits that it has moved troops in Ukraine
Russia has finally confirmed that it has moved troops into Ukraine's restive Crimea region, after speculation about Moscow's involvement

The Telegraph

The problem is the US practices a homegrown version ( albeit flawed) of Protestantism .

Ergo , those of us Catholics , Blacks , Natives , Asians , the whole nine who are not part of this are seen as deviants .

This perception of Self-righteousness is not just confined to the borders of Continental United States but extends beyond .

The idea that non Protestant states can manage their own affairs properly is not something that mainstream US is willing to buy.

From Korea to Vietnam , Iraq to Libya and Syria to Ukraine it is this perception that compels the US to act in an exclusive manner.

And if this ain't enough , the US Defense Budget is shrinking and is taking down with it the ability to project force against a major adversary in the near future .

http://www.defenceiq.com/air-land-and-sea-defence-services/articles/squeezed-us-defence-budget-likely-to-affect-milita/

Suffice to say that the US will therefore sponsor more asymmetrical conflicts like Ukraine in the near future to keep the likes of Russia & China busy .

Yeah, now that their 'Daddy' (which pushed them into this in the first place) isn't really protecting them:

ITAR-TASS wrote:Ukraine’s acting foreign minister calls on Russia to begin dialogue on Crimea

ITAR-TASS wrote:

KIEV, March 01, 16:12 /ITAR-TASS/. Ukraine and Russia should have a real dialogue on the situation in Crimea, not to exchange notes, acting foreign minister, Andrei Deshchitsa, said on Saturday.

“We have been sending to Russia two-three notes a day. Unfortunately, now we have this ‘diplomacy of notes’, and I only hope it does not develop into a ‘war of notes’. We want to have a dialogue with Russia, let us stop sending papers to each other. I speak Russia, I can communicate,” he said.

The acting foreign minister said the Ukrainian foreign relations authority planned to publish a statement, which would disclaim the information about buildings seized in Crimea.

Now they suddenly found enough pragmatism inside them.
Stupid people never learn.

Federation Council committees support Putin’s letter on use of army in Ukraine

Itar-Tass wrote:MOSCOW, March 01, 18:54 /ITAR-TASS/. The Committee on International Relations of the Federation Council, the upper house of Russian parliament, on Saturday, March 1, supported President Vladimir Putin’s appeal regarding the use of the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine pending normalisation of the situation in the neighbouring country.

Link

https://twitter.com/russian_market/status/439796734605418496

Provocation or real thing?

Video keeps repeating like a gif animation.
Russian people on mp.net claim that it was some sort of provocation with no casualties.

Well... that escelated quickly!

Hope I don't get called up. This whole thing has the potential to turn into a standoff between Russia and NATO, economic instability in Russia, etc...

flamming_python wrote:Well... that escelated quickly!

Hope I don't get called up. This whole thing has the potential to turn into a standoff between Russia and NATO, economic instability in Russia, etc...

Well if you do...rest assured that I'll be buying ONLY Russian products to help you guys...if I can find any, that is...
  

I hope some NATO members will think more about military spending as now it's terribly small.

Regular wrote:I hope some NATO members will think more about military spending as now it's terribly small.

No offense, I hope so too. And I hope that they go bankrupt in the process.
But than again, I'm not a big fan of soldiers of one country (-insert name of any- NATO member) fighting and dying for their current Master (America).
I'd rather have them defend THEIR OWN countries, and not America's global dominance.
But that's just me.

macedonian wrote:

Regular wrote:I hope some NATO members will think more about military spending as now it's terribly small.

No offense, I hope so too. And I hope that they go bankrupt in the process.
But than again, I'm not a big fan of soldiers of one country (-insert name of any- NATO member) fighting and dying for their current Master (America).
I'd rather have them defend THEIR OWN countries, and not America's global dominance.
But that's just me.

If Europe will cut the fat of their socialistic politics then I assume we could find money for militarization. And I think it would lead to short term economic boost. Most of the NATO fighting is done by americans anyway, most of Europeans have awesome ROE in these hotspots and I don't want to sound harsh but we rather let our more determined colleagues to die. I hope it wouldn't be the same in real war.

What the hell did the EU and US think would happen when they start supporting violent revolutionaries in the Ukraine, and then recognize the legitimacy of a parliament that was brought in through an an armed putsch, depriving millions of people in Eastern Ukraine of their voices?

Russia did absolutely the right thing by not recognizing this band of criminals sitting in the Rada today, and all the decisions that they have undertaken, etc...

IMO they did the wrong thing by introducing Russian forces. It was too early for that - if the new Rada tried to carry out some sort of armed assault on the Crimean administration, try and bring the eastern regions in line through force, etc... then it would have been warranted. So far it had only used repression and threats; but nothing was preventing the eastern regions populations from rising up and declaring Kiev illegitimate anyway.

Given the fact that Khrushchev transferred Crimea from Russia to Ukraine arbitrarily , Russia should take it back arbitrarily .

Regular wrote:If Europe will cut the fat of their socialistic politics then I assume we could find money for militarization. And I think it would lead to short term economic boost. Most of the NATO fighting is done by americans anyway, most of Europeans have awesome ROE in these hotspots and I don't want to sound harsh but we rather let our more determined colleagues to die. I hope it wouldn't be the same in real war.

Wrong.
Americans are fighting now that most of the wars are farther away from Europe, but as soon as NATO starts pulling sh*t in Europe, it's the Europeans that get to carry most of the weight. No need to take my word for it - see how many American policemen are in Kosovo and Bosnia vis-a-vis European ones.

Surprisingly few and conservative accusations against Russia the last couple of days.
One more confirmation that American dominated (occupied) civilization respects and accepts only power.

macedonian wrote:

Regular wrote:If Europe will cut the fat of their socialistic politics then I assume we could find money for militarization. And I think it would lead to short term economic boost. Most of the NATO fighting is done by americans anyway, most of Europeans have awesome ROE in these hotspots and I don't want to sound harsh but we rather let our more determined colleagues to die. I hope it wouldn't be the same in real war.

Wrong.
Americans are fighting now that most of the wars are farther away from Europe, but as soon as NATO starts pulling sh*t in Europe, it's the Europeans that get to carry most of the weight. No need to take my word for it - see how many American policemen are in Kosovo and Bosnia vis-a-vis European ones.

Kosovo and Bosnia is walk in the park. But I do really hope the spirit will be different if NATO will be attacked. It would be a shame for them not to bolster their capabilities and push for more ABM.

Regular wrote:

macedonian wrote:

Regular wrote:I hope some NATO members will think more about military spending as now it's terribly small.

No offense, I hope so too. And I hope that they go bankrupt in the process.
But than again, I'm not a big fan of soldiers of one country (-insert name of any- NATO member) fighting and dying for their current Master (America).
I'd rather have them defend THEIR OWN countries, and not America's global dominance.
But that's just me.

Most of the NATO fighting is done by americans anyway, most of Europeans have awesome ROE in these hotspots and I don't want to sound harsh but we rather let our more determined colleagues to die.

oh yes Regular, you are one step away from a NATO vet chewing out your ass on a number of your comments. you clearly do not know anything of NATO operations or internal stucture. or do not have any inside knowledge of NATO mentality or inside opinion of Nato combat forces.

and do not even get me started on your "excited" comment on being drawn up supposedly for armed conflict. just the fact that i should spell out the reality of war for you explains enough on itself.

you do not represent any of NATO, you sound like one of those weekend-warrior kids that played one too many Call of Duty games and act like they are the NATO party on here. too bad for you, i am around here.

"let our more determined colleagues to die"?. so what are you?. the sock-counting magazine asshole way away in safety from enemy lines?. just your sentence alone is gut-wrenching to any front-line soldier no matter his origin,background or nationality.

whatever mistakes, fuckups and idiots the U.S does or send to fight their wars. its still troops/coffins going back home dead to fammilies you jackass. if you got such of a strong opinion about it maybe you want to contribute to the education and lecture to U.S troops and students of what they are getting into instead of throwing them to the meat grinder?. its easy to let someone else do the dying and combat for you doesnt it?.

with all respects to the mods on this forum. but i know when i smell a rat. and this is one of those cases.