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    Immigration implications on Russian society

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    Immigration implications on Russian society - Page 7 Empty About 670 thousand foreigners

    Post  franco Sun Dec 26, 2021 11:44 am


    About 670 thousand foreigners have received Russian citizenship since the beginning of the year


    Since the beginning of 2021, 667 thousand 939 foreigners have become holders of Russian citizenship. The corresponding calculations were made by the Ministry of the Interior.

    This number is almost 105 thousand people more than the same indicator last year. Then the citizenship of the Russian Federation was received by 563 thousand 342 citizens of foreign states. Writes about this TASS with reference to the summary of the Ministry of Internal Affairs on the migration situation in the country.

    Earlier, the Russian Federation predicted an increase in the inflow of migrants in 2022. The corresponding forecast is based on information about the economic situation in the CIS countries, as well as on the expected consequences of changes in Russian migration legislation. ■

    https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/20211226337-nJsUD.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui

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    Post  par far Sun Dec 26, 2021 4:18 pm

    franco wrote:
    About 670 thousand foreigners have received Russian citizenship since the beginning of the year


    Since the beginning of 2021, 667 thousand 939 foreigners have become holders of Russian citizenship. The corresponding calculations were made by the Ministry of the Interior.

    This number is almost 105 thousand people more than the same indicator last year. Then the citizenship of the Russian Federation was received by 563 thousand 342 citizens of foreign states. Writes about this TASS with reference to the summary of the Ministry of Internal Affairs on the migration situation in the country.

    Earlier, the Russian Federation predicted an increase in the inflow of migrants in 2022. The corresponding forecast is based on information about the economic situation in the CIS countries, as well as on the expected consequences of changes in Russian migration legislation. ■

    https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/20211226337-nJsUD.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui



    This is not the right way to do this, grow your own population, not bring in immgrants.
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    Post  kvs Sun Dec 26, 2021 5:41 pm

    It is not clear from this article where the immigration is from. Russians are still migrating from the ex-USSR republics to Russia.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1203451/immigration-by-country-in-russia/

    The immigration is overwhelmingly from the ex-Soviet republics and it cannot be assume that these are all local ethnic groups.

    https://unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/stats/documents/ece/ces/ge.10/2018/mtg1/RUS_Chudinovskikh_ENG.pdf

    The net migration is around 200,000. So we see a large turnover of people going in and out from the ex-Soviet republics.
    I think the net migration is primarily ethnic Russia and Ukrainian.

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    Post  calripson Sun Dec 26, 2021 9:34 pm

    par far wrote:
    franco wrote:
    About 670 thousand foreigners have received Russian citizenship since the beginning of the year


    Since the beginning of 2021, 667 thousand 939 foreigners have become holders of Russian citizenship. The corresponding calculations were made by the Ministry of the Interior.

    This number is almost 105 thousand people more than the same indicator last year. Then the citizenship of the Russian Federation was received by 563 thousand 342 citizens of foreign states. Writes about this TASS with reference to the summary of the Ministry of Internal Affairs on the migration situation in the country.

    Earlier, the Russian Federation predicted an increase in the inflow of migrants in 2022. The corresponding forecast is based on information about the economic situation in the CIS countries, as well as on the expected consequences of changes in Russian migration legislation. ■

    https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/20211226337-nJsUD.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui



    This is not the right way to do this, grow your own population, not bring in immgrants.

    The right immigrants in the right amount are plus. Allowing immigration of highly skilled and educated people with the right cultural background and mindset only strengthens Russia. Unfortunately, state policy has made this very difficult.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:14 am

    par far wrote:
    This is not the right way to do this, grow your own population, not bring in immgrants.

    Over half of that number is people from the Ukraine (especially Donetsk and Lugansk) receiving Russian citizenship

    That's not to say that we don't have a lot of immigration from other places though.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Dec 30, 2021 2:33 am

    https://www.awaragroup.com/blog/medical-checks-foreigners/

    This will expel loads of people who should not be in Russia, 2021 was a great year of regulation

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    Post  PhSt Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:51 pm

    I saw a recent post in the SMO thread about how new immigrants from central Asia are harassing locals in Russia, continuously violating laws, forming their own ghettos, and refusing to assimilate themselves into Russian customs.

    I know that the current focus of the Russian government at the moment is its war against NATzO aggression, but I think it's also important to pay attention to this equally important issue.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:55 pm

    PhSt wrote:I saw a recent post in the SMO thread about how new immigrants from central Asia are harassing locals in Russia, continuously violating laws, forming their own ghettos, and refusing to assimilate themselves into Russian customs.

    I know that the current focus of the Russian government at the moment is its war against NATzO aggression, but I think it's also important to pay attention to this equally important issue.
    Why not break the ghettos by force? Just relocate the locals so that they form many small groups instead of few large ones.
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    Post  PhSt Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:50 pm

    Why not break the ghettos by force? Just relocate the locals so that they form many small groups instead of few large ones.


    This is not a sustainable solution, even if the immigrant ghettos are broken up and the immigrants scattered, they still get to keep their ways and identity, which in the long term doesn't address the problem.

    There needs to be a national strategy for the Russification of immigrants in Russia. There are two layers for this campaign, first is a subtle approach for those who are willing to integrate. If they refuse, then the Forceful method will have to be imposed.

    There should be Three main objectives, Russification of Name, Language, and Religion. So basically, each immigrant needs to adopt a Russian name, speak (and make as their primary language) Russian, and convert to Russian Orthodox Christianity.

    By instilling these 3 characteristics, Russia can ensure that the reprogrammed immigrants and their future descendants will remain Russian by identity.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:10 am

    That wouldn't work, it is not the migrants that you need to educate, it is their children.

    Over the years we have had a lot of Chinese immigrants in New Zealand... many of the first arrivals could not speak english very well, but they were hard workers and did what they knew... most set up market gardens and grew food for markets, while others opened chinese food shops. They were all very hard workers and took advantage of the availability of education and they pushed their children to get ahead, so while as children they might have worked growing vegetables in the market garden, or put in some hours in the shop selling fast food, they put them through the education system and these children came out as doctors and lawyers and good New Zealand citizens.

    Many are better kiwis than new arrival europeans.

    If you treat these new migrants as foreigners then they will act like foreigners... treat them with respect... it is not easy to go to a totally different country with a different language where the locals don't like you and think you are stealing their jobs and siphoning money to foreign countries so you can bring the rest of your extended family to their country to take what is yours.

    Most just want honest work and a chance to build a life for themselves and their children where they have a future to do well.
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